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Obama Birth Certificate Issue Activism Discussion

I want Joe Biden to be President. And if not him, Nancy Pelosi
Just thought I'd join the crowd. The Constitution has been ignored for 97 years.

Personally, I think that Obama is or was a citizen of Indonesia, but I don't think his Indonesian loyalties threaten the nation. His communist loyalties on the other hand. . . (his grandmother in Kenya said, "Barack is a son of this village"--that's not "I saw him born here", it's "we love him here")

Unless you really enjoy being the "kook fringe", I'd drop it and keep fighting to expose the bankers. This issue didn't start out as a rascist thing, but it's become one. If you want to be labeled a racist and a whacko, keep pushing this issue. The question I like to ask about issues of contention is, "What good could possibly come out of this?"
Unless you truly think that Obama is the ringleader of the international banking cartel and has been for 97 years, why bother? Yep, he's a puppet. Yep, they all are. But he's a puppet that millions and millions of people absolutely love, no matter what bad things he does. Those same people, however, hate the banks and can easily see the horrible cabinet appointments.

I'm not saying it's good or giving him a pass on the natural born thing, but hoestly, in light of everything else going on, is pursuing this really likely to do anything but cause fights? Or worse, show how "necessary" it is to implant ID chips in babies (so we can always know everything)? Or be the excuse for a Constitutional Convention?

I am fully convinced that no good at all can possibly come from further pursuing this matter. Unless you consider President Pelosi and VP Geithner a good alternative.

Once again, just so I don't get misread here---it's pretty damn obvious that Obama is hiding something and is probably not eligible to be President (or else he would have shown adequate proof and not sealed his records), but it's also pretty damn obvious that this matter is being used to marginalize and once again, focus attention squarely on the puppet.

Does anyone remember how during the Clinton impeachment, a big report was released detailing Iran-Contra and exposing how weapons were being smuggled into Afganistan from Bosnia? No? Were you paying attention to the puppet? Gotta watch that.



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If I am pulled over ,the cop

If I am pulled over ,the cop says where is your ID. I hand it to the officer & right away , Oh you live at such & such address / YES ..END of story.
NO beer or visit to the W.H.
Of course I was racialy profiled as a white male suspect.
That is part of the ID proccess
naughty, naught

Henry Louis Gates, Jr.....

The aftermath of the arrest of Henry Louis Gates, Jr. saw some very negative fallout and accusations of racism, and there were repeated requests to hear the Gates 911 Call. The Gates 9/11 call has been released, and there isn't mention of the race in the call. Gates was trying to get into his own home after returning from a trip, and the door was jammed. In the process of trying to gain access, police were called thinking it was a burglary. Gates apparently became hostile to officers, and was booked for that reason, charges having later been dropped. No suits have been filed, but no one needs payday loans to get the Gates 911 Call transcripts.

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I think everyone missed the point on this

While Obama and the two involved in this issue are sitting down to have a beer for the cameras we have totally missed the crime that happened. The simple fact is this man Gates, though he broke no law in trying to enter his own home, did break the law by refusing to identify himself to a law enforcement officer. And so amid the racial claims and Obama's stupidity remarks all charges against this man were dropped. No one is talking about that. If it had been you or I or anyone who wasn't a friend of the president we would be facing charges right now. Instead the media has turned this into some kind of peace talk. I wonder if the next time I get a ticket if Ill be allowed to sit down and discuss the issue with the officer who wrote it. Somehow I doubt it. It is simply another instance of corruption. It isn't the presidents place to come to the aid of his friends who break the law. The man should go to court and be judged like anyone else would be but by using the media the president has completely distracted us from the fact that a crime has been committed and this man will not be required to answer for it beyond having a beer and a little chat with the arresting officer. Personally I don't care. There are much bigger fish to fry than some race card pulling old man who doesn't have the good sense to simply identify himself to the police when requested. But corruption is corruption. So this is my opinion.

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Video: Hawaiian official corroborates Obama COLB … again

posted at 11:36 am on July 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

What does it say about the Birther issue when Fox News covers its debunking while CNN continues to stoke the controversy? Yesterday, Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued a second definitive statement that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, as his Certificate of Live Birth states, after having seen the records in the Department of Health for herself. A second Honolulu newspaper produced a birth announcement for Obama in August 1961 as well:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/28/videohawaiian-official...

should be

Fukidontno. None of us do until he releases his damned papers.

Is Hawaiian official a Constitutionalist now?

Is Dr. Fukino a Constitutionalist now? The reason I say that is because I read this today http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=6815 Also, those of you who just want this dismissed and move on should read the article I posted above and the links he has at the bottom of the page that really go into detail about Obama's birth certificate issues and then see if you are convinced or not. If not, oh well, I tried. The truth will come out sooner or later. GOD is in control.

Cassie Black

President Hamdi? (actually he no longer is US citizen)

From House Committee hearings on birthright citizenship:
Yaser Hamdi

"This question is critically important in light of the Yaser Hamdi case. Hamdi, who was captured in Afghanistan fighting for the Taliban, was born in Louisiana to Saudi parents who were in the U.S. on temporary visas. He returned to Saudi Arabia as a small child and maintained little connection to the United States.
Yet, because he was born on U.S. soil and considered a U.S. citizen, he is granted rights and benefits that a noncitizen combatant would not have been granted."

There is a reason for the "natural born citizen" clause, not?

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Personally I think Obama is

Personally I think Obama is a US citizen. And I think people on this board not only are getting a little side tracked and kooky they are forgetting to stand in allegiance with Ron Paul. Ron Paul doesn't focus on this stuff and neither do I. Because frankly if it was true (which is doubtful) there isn't anything a single one of you can do about it...especially after they have proved it twice.

So get on legislative issues with all of your passionate energy instead of doing what they want and focusing on this distracting nonsense. It completely negates our cause and makes us look foolish and not very trustworthy on important issues.

Just my two cents.

Wrong answer

Yes this board is for supporters of Ron Paul but it is mostly a forum for supporters of liberty and constitutional law. Its seems odd to me that someone interested in restoring liberty and constitutional law would ever say anything like there is nothing you can do about it. On the contrary. We may have forgotten it but we have every right and all the power in this country. Anyone who tells you that you don't is your enemy. While I think issues like Obama's legitimacy are secondary, in fact just about every issue is secondary to fighting the federal reserve, there is in fact something you can do about it. In fact you (the american people) are the only ones who have a right or any power to do anything about it. So don't ever give up because someone says your powerless. In this country you are the power. Never forget that.

Remember the whole divide

Remember the whole divide and conquer theory? Blacks against Whites.. Crypts Against Bloods. Democrats Against Republicans... Now we are doing it with Obama! Complete waste of time!!!

Not a complete waste of

Not a complete waste of time. Because if it's proven he is ineligible everything he's done since becoming president goes away. And that's a "good thing"

He is NOT ineligible that is

He is NOT ineligible that is a question in itself. And while your busy trying to prove it and spend energy on such a futile issue legislators Republicans and Democrats alike..get away without extra words from us on their dirty business.

I know people who lived near Obama in Hawaii and I have to say I honestly think he is a citizen of the United States and I believe Ron Paul does as well. Good enough for me.

Obama's Ineligibility

Yes-I agree Obama is a puppet, in some ways, but to totally ignore whether or not he is ineligible would be to ignore the CONSTITUTION itself. Isn't this what this blog (Ron Paul Wins) is all about-the Constitution? What if it is proven one day-and I believe it will be soon-that Obama really is ineligible to be president? All of this junk he has signed into "law" would be null and void. IF they ever do decide to end the Federal Reserve, and it is done under Obama, and then is later proved Obama is ineligible and thrown out of office, then that would be null and void, too. So we would be right back where we started on the Ferderal Reserve. So it needs to be proved one way or the other whether or not Obama is eligible to be president, so we can move on to other issues.

Cassie Black

That doesnt make any sense at all.

If you think that when people discover Obama isn't a legal citizen that all of the sudden people will want the federal reserve back I have to say I don't know where your coming from. All of this is a distraction. They want you to focus on the gates issues and the wright issues and the legitimacy issues etc. so your not fighting the real fight. The people destroying this country and its constitution are using the federal reserve as its greatest weapon against us. If you take that power away from them they have nothing but the lies they have been telling for 100 years. Lies that obviously are coming to light. If that weren't true we wouldn't be here right now on this forum discussing these issues. The existence of the fed and the downfall of it have nothing to do with Obama or his legitimacy. I promise you this. End the fed. Take the power they stole from you and used against you for 100 years and all these problems, or at least the greatest part of them, go away like magic. Any other discussion about any other issue at this point is nothing but a distraction these men have placed before you. Dr. Paul knows this. He is focusing all his efforts on the fed because he understands that it is the one most important fight going on right now. Follow his example. If you cant unite you will fall. Dont let the one chance you have slip away because of secondary issues. The choice is yours. Forget what you feel because your feelings have been manipulated. Use your mind. It is your only hope.

All his appointments

All his appointments including Sotomayor would be null and void. What about him reimbursing the American people all the money he has cost them? His salary, his health care, his free rent, his Air Force One free rides, etc.

BTW, good point about the Federal Reserve.

A best Obama is a British and US citizen - a dual citizen

Therefore he is not natural born.

http://www.cusc.org/letters/8734.htm

November 15, 2008

Dear CUSC Editor,

PLEASE HEAR ME OUT. If you have an open mind, PLEASE at least read the next five paragraphs.

According to factcheck, quote, "When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948.

Factcheck continues: "That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children.

Factcheck continues: "Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982." End quote.

Thus, this is a direct admission that Barack Obama was a British citizen "at birth".

A lawsuit was filed in New Jersey by Leo Donofrio which states that since Obama had dual citizenship "at birth," and therefore split loyalties "at birth," he is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States of America. A "natural born citizen" would have no other jurisdiction over him "at birth" other than that of the United States of America!

The Framers of the Unites States Constitution carefully chose the words "natural born" and those words CANNOT BE IGNORED.

The status referred to in Article 2, Section 1, "natural born citizen", pertains to the status of the person's citizenship "at birth".

Born in Hawaii? . . . DOES NOT MATTER! Because Obama was, "at birth", a British citizen, it is completely irrelevant whether Obama was born in Hawaii or abroad.

Either way, he is not eligible to be President.

Should Obama produce an original birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii, it will not change the fact that Obama was a British citizen "at birth".

Senator Obama has admitted to being a British subject "at birth". And as will be made perfectly clear below, his being subject to British jurisdiction "at birth" bars him from being eligible to be President of the United States of America.

The 14th Amendment of the Unites States Constitution does NOT confer "natural born citizen" status anywhere in its text. It simply states that a person born in the United States is a "Citizen", and only if he is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States:
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

The most overlooked words in that section are: "...or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution..." You must recall that most, if not all, of the framers of the Constitution were, at birth, born as British subjects.

Stop and think about that.

The chosen wording of the Framers of our Constitution makes it clear that they had drawn a distinction between themselves - persons born subject to British jurisdiction - and "natural born citizens" who would not be born subject to British jurisdiction or any other jurisdiction other than the United States. And so the Framers grandfathered themselves into the Constitution as being eligible to be President. But the grandfather clause only pertains to any person who was a Citizen... at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution.

Obama was definitely not a natural born Citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution on September 17, 1787, and so he is not grandfathered in.

And so, for Obama or anybody else to be eligible to be President, they must be a "natural born citizen" of the United States "at birth". It should be obvious that the Framers intended to deny the Presidency to anybody who was a British subject, or any other nationality "at birth".

If this had not been their intention, then they would not have needed to include a grandfather clause which allowed the Framers themselves to be President. Pretty clear, isn't it?

If you click through to Factcheck.org, a more detailed discussion as to why Obama was a British citizen at birth explains the relevant statutes: Quote, "When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.' " End quote from factcheck.

And I am still not convinced that Senator Obama was born in Hawaii.

The factcheck article goes on to state that Obama's British citizenship was transferred to Kenya as Kenya became independent from the UK and that Obama's Kenyan citizenship expired when he turned 21 years old. But none of that is relevant since the Constitution requires that every President be a "natural born citizen". The word "born" is proof positive that the status must be present "at birth". If this were not the case, then, as stated above, the Framers would not have needed to put in a grandfather clause.

Please look at Leo Donofrio's web log (blog). [EDITOR's note: click here]

The United States of America and her Constitution will not survive if the basic FOUNDATION of our law, the U.S. Constitution, is destroyed by a usurper and his cult of followers.

Best Regards,

(Name on File)
California

You know what?

Let them go. Those that have a burning need to expose this fraud should continue to do so, even if the MSM focuses on the puppet. After all, has the MSM ever come to the aid of liberty?

I agree the primary focus needs to be on the Fed (for now), and we need every able hand in the fight, but can't some folks do two things at once?

And let's not even get into the biblical prophecy of the conclusion of the final fight between good and evil (which one could argue is the ultimate fight).

I really don't understand the division either on this board, or

the country for that matter, regarding this issue. I can understand the comments which imply there are bigger fish to fry, like the Fed, but I don't understand those who wish to drop the issue and move on. To understand the Fed or even 9-11, people are required to educate themselves extensively to form some type of personal conclusion. Most people are simply going to listen to the tele. Others are too engaged in their own lives to bother. Others do not possess the mental capacity to reach a conclusion. The BC issue only requires common sense and logic, there is nothing there requiring extensive education. I am amazed when I here claims of "fact check proved it". How is it a website can access the birth certificate, but dozens of judges hearing complaints can't? If a Hawaiian official can view the BC, then why can't any of these judges, or congress? Every American has been in the position to provide thier birth certificates at some point in thier lives. What's the big deal? To me, the issue is important when considering the masses as described above. If the American people learn that the highest office in the land, the most important position on the planet was gained by FRAUD, then maybe the American people will start to question that which they don't understand. I don't know much about flouride, but maybe the goal there was to eliminate the common sense gene because this country is not displaying much common sense or logic at all.

Stop spending millions of dollars to hide your past and just show us the certificate of live birth. I don't believe Fact Check or a Hawaiian official, I want to see it myself.

Apples and Oranges

"Stop spending millions of dollars to hide your past and just show us the certificate of live birth."

He's already done that--anyone can. What we need is the "Birth Certificate". Two different things.

"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy

"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."

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You CAN'T take a simple, flawed President down but you can take the FED down ...RIGHT..
naughty, naught

LEFT vs RIGHT national fight! and Fed playing in the background.

The birth certificate issue went mainstream after months being pushed with great force by evangelical / zionist / neocon World Net Daily.

World Net Daily is a Zionist / Neocon propaganda machine which has shown itself to be antiliberty and which attacked Ron Paul's campaign as it was starting to go mainstream.

If you go to WND's page today you will notice that their front page is all about the birth certificate with NOT ONE WORD about the Federal Reserve!

I don't trust this NEOCON / ZIONIST rag anymore than I trust Rush Limbaugh or Cheney himself.

In my opinion this is a most blatant attempt to instigate a monster LEFT vs Right fight focused on the puppet and away from the real powers behind the Federal Reserve.

Will you follow the Neocon / Zionists into a fight that promises no reward, or will you keep your focus on the fight that will define America in the years to come?

Boris in Miami

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

Yahoo has confirmed he is natural born.

Now take two blue pills and never call again.

They hoped to stem a RECENT SURGE (confirmed by the CIA's monitoring of internet tracking and twitting) in the number of inquiries about Obama's birthplace (which is Kenya).

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino (having had is life and his families life threatened) said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add (or they'll kill me) to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_bir...

Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?

Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?

Well I am holding a news conference @ Noon.

At this conference I will confirm that monkeys really do come out of my ass. However I will not provide the aforementioned monkeys for viewing, or photographs, no other proof whatsoever.Just believe what I say. There are monkeys born of a human ass, End of Story.

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
John F. Kennedy

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make
violent revolution inevitable."
John F. Kennedy

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"I think it would be a good idea"

Mahatma Gandhi,
when asked what he thought of Western civilization

Wow. That's hard to believe. But you said it so it must be true

How many monkeys was it?? Did you send one to factcheck.org? I don't believe anything fully until a website staffer has confirmed it.

Born in Hawaii does not equal to NBC

One can be borned in Hawaii or any where in the US, and he can be a citizen, but legally unless both his parents are US citizens, he may or may not be a Natural Born Citizen. Native born doesn't equal to Natural Born!
Mr. Obama must have knew that his status (father being a British subject at the time of his birth and his dual citizenship) will bring up Constitutional issues. Birth Certificate does not matter! It is his dual citizenship and his father being a non US citizen that matters!

So where do you get your definition of natural born ?

res 511 - that applies to John McCain only.

Canada says: STOP HITTING THE PUPPET!

I have to repost this great comment from Canada:

"Please! Stop it. Stop attacking the puppet! Each puppet gets replaced with a brand new one every 4 or 8 years. Meanwhile, bad guys are picking your pockets. They're stealing your identity. That's right. They've stolen your credit card numbers and picture IDs and they're running around in foreign countries running up a huge bill in your name. And crying, "but but but, it wasn't me! I swear!" isn't going to make this problem go away. You are going to be held accountable, if you don't do something.

I know, I know you've got a new puppet. I know how much you enjoy playing with and obsessing over your puppets, but it's time to put the toy down and pay attention because some serious shit is going down now.

Here's your choice:

1) Keep playing with your puppet. Have fun talking with your friends about where your puppet was born and where his mommy and daddy are from!

2) Tell the Fed to shove the puppet up their ass, and hand over the balance sheet to the trust fund. You're done playing with toys."

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2