Conyers sees no point in reading bill
Submitted by willy2 on Tue, 07/28/2009 - 08:35
Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill--Unless They Have 2 Lawyers to Interpret It for Them
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51...
Unbelievable!
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Retard of the year award
This guy just does not F-ing get it. Does it ever cross his mind that a 1,000 page bill that requires 2 lawyers to understand is the kind of bill that should NOT be passed by congress?
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Conyers is an idiot
Save this tape for the smear campaign.
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Then Michigan, FIRE Conyers......
....This guy has been useless for too long!
Fire him! Blackmail worthy political stooge.
We got two "REAL" americans vying to kick out Conyers and the other one Pelosi right from under their district seats....
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Healthcare Bill.....
People are up in arms over HR 3200, and maybe they should be. HR 3200 is a health care bill, and what it does is that it will provide affordable health care for all, and curtail medical costs. It also makes it mandatory for all Americans to have health insurance, but creates a government run (taxpayer funded) alternative to private insurance, prohibits exclusion on basis of pre-existing condition, and then (here's the kicker) places a surtax on all households that earn more than $350,000 to pay for it. (To be fair, they don't need sympathy.) The bill HR 3200 is likely to be wildly unpopular, even if it might mean fewer people needing emergency cash loans to see a doctor.
What's the big deal
I personally asked my reps not to bother reading the 1000+ pages and just vote no.
You're absolutely correct.
You're absolutely correct. If they haven't read or they have read and don't understand it, they need to vote no.
Why would anyone in their
Why would anyone in their right mind vote on something no one can understand....duh?
Oh, I forgot we only have one rep who is in his right mind and it ain't Conyers. It's Ron Paul, of course.
Only half the story and missleading: Listen to the whole answer
it is posted on eyeblast.tv
Link:
http://eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=Gduznz8zuz
He was being critical not Apathetic about it!
Will show you who and what is really behind the Health Care Bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
License to kill
This bill is a license for unelected bureaucrats (IQ<100) to kill according to "procedure".
The cops are killing us all across the country and it is not murder because they didn't violate "procedure". Procedure is just another word for "rule".
When obedience to rules supersedes common sense, law or morality we are in insanity. Wanta see insanity as a society adheres to rules instead of common sense? Watch the movie "Brazil".
What does it feel like to read this and realize "they" are passing into legislation license to come and kill the elderly, the inform and eventually YOU because time stands still for no man or woman?
Anyone feel like a trip to DC?
this speaks
for itself.
Where can we
get a copy of the bill? Did you know Pelosi and Reid have both stated that the public will have no more than 2 days to read the bill? For anyone still not convinced that the House and Senate are corrupt and ALL need to be voted out ( ex. RP of course ), does this help any?
Why should this bill be any different?
They don't read any of them.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
So
What exactly are we paying them to do? Enslave us? Why would we pay them to clamp chains onto our wrists? The world is so backwards.
We pay them to...
-Read bills/NO
-Keep us free/NO
-Look out for our liberties/NO
-Fight for our rights/NO
-Look out for our best interests/NO
What do these people do?
We don't pay them. The fed does.
You always have to remember where taxes really go.
But, in the spirit of "it's our money"
Comfortable salaries that are often determined through legislative sleight-of-hand. Contrary to the arguments of many Washington “insiders,” the cost of living has rarely eroded the historical value of lawmakers’ pay, which on a constant-dollar basis is hovering near the postwar high.
Pension benefits that are two to three times more generous than those offered in the private sector for similarly-salaried executives. Taxpayers directly cover at least 80 percent of this costly plan. Congressional pensions are also inflation-protected, a feature that fewer than 1 in 10 private plans offer.
Health and life insurance, approximately 3/4 and 1/3 of whose costs, respectively, are subsidized by taxpayers.
Travel to far-flung destinations as well as to home states and districts. Despite recent attempts to toughen gift and travel rules, “junkets” are still readily available prerogatives for many Members.
A wide range of smaller perks that have defied reform efforts, from cut-rate health clubs to fine furnishings.
The franking privilege, which gives lawmakers millions in tax dollars to create a favorable public image. Experts across the political spectrum have labeled the frank as an unfair electioneering tool. In past election cycles, Congressional incumbents have spent as much on franking alone as challengers have spent on their entire campaigns.
An office staff that performs “constituent services” and doles out pork-barrel spending, providing more opportunities for “favors” that can be returned only at election time.
Exemptions and immunities from tax, pension, and other laws that burden private citizens — all crafted by lawmakers themselves.
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We pay them...
...to be exempt from all the bills they pass against us.
They don't want anyone to read it because of what it says
The philosophy behind this bill is anti-American. This entire nightmare is based in LACK and POVERTY consciousness - the very roots of Marxism and communism.
Some of the items in the Health Care Plan now in the works: (Yes, someone IS reading the immense document !!! But it isn't your representatives in Washington D.C. !)
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!! You can only get so much "care" per year
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits 4 you. You have no choice!
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access to individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 your banks accts for elective funds transfer
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs for private HC plans in the Exchange
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!
PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services..... Example - Translation for illegal aliens
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individually for Govt HC plan
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Benefit Levels for Plans. #AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed
-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will be automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll between 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng to Govt will be taxed 2.5%
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (You and I will pay for them)
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal recds
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor will be very affected
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same
PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, professional judgments, etc. Literally value of humans.
PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries
PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs
PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions.
Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing all into Govt HC plan
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can you say HC by phone?
PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life. Seniors will be interviewed every year for health issues and decisions made as to what care they can or can't receive
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding you in death
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates
PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life
Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?
Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?
PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage
Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those services
The obvious question is ...
Why don't they vote Nay on things too long and complicated for them to understand? At least then they would do NO harm!
There really ought to be a rule that bills can be no longer than 25 pages ... (think of all the double speak and side-show amendments they'd have no room for), Next, in order to qualify to vote on the bill, congressmen should be required to have actually read it.
Too Dumb to Understand
If officials are too dumb to understand the laws they are making how is it reasonable that they are the ones entrusted with making them in the first place? Simplify.
No reason to re-elect conyers
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This is propeganda
This is fuel for those who don't read bills themselves, just looking for fodder against "the enemy".
Campaign for Change has reorganized and is working with Democratic organizations to have town hall meetings across the USA to get Americans on board the Obama agenda. C4L should be at all these meetings... we should be going to these meetings and bringing up Dr Paul's H.R 2629 Coersion is not healthcare, and explain to people why we do not want govt run healthcare. http://www.godanriver.com/gdr/news/local/danville_news/artic...
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The answer
To elect smarter, law abiding, strong constitutional representatives. If they're not there now we need to draft them into service.
Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow
What's the point? The point
What's the point?
The point is that its a good idea to know what you're voting into LAW.
The better question is what is the point of a 1,000 page bill that no one -- neither citizens nor lawmakers - can understand.
You hit the nail squarely on the head......
(I think the point is to sneak in tyranny and then blame it on the length, but that's my take on it.)
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