Why are police and military "heroes"?

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I myself think most of them are criminals--not out of some emotion-laden jest, but specifically because they frequently commit violations of the natural law.


Your take?

Update to thread (as I probably wasn't clear enough initially...people seem to be confused):
As libertarian theorist Roy Halliday said:

"The dramatic increase in the number of [State--ie. statist] laws that violate basic rights has made it virtually impossible for a police officer to perform his job without being a criminal."

This is what I'm getting at for police...if they want to do their job properly they have to violate natural rights and thus natural law...and what is the term for a person that breaks the law? A "criminal".

Regarding military, they're a bit different. They're job doesn't require them to violate people's rights like the police. Ex: they can go out into battle without shooting or harming anyone. It might be difficult in some scenarios, but it is possible.

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Im in the military

People thank me all the time, and I havent even done anything. People say Im brave for joining during a time of war, but my biggest fear is being overcome by fear when bravery is needed. People said I was crazy for joining, but I think its the best decision I ever made.
Now, fellow DP'ers call me criminal, but I know Im a patriot. Another DP'er called me cruel and ignorant, even though Ive been against the war since the beginning.

A hero is anyone who acts to save and protect the life of another. Anyone one can be a hero. A coward is someone who loves their own life so much that they would not act to save nor protect another. Anyone can act cowardly.

Now I already stated that im against this war and I am for closing down all the military bases around the world... and I hate the way cops are abusing their authority and how they are screened to only let in the most malicious minds and how they are trained to think of us as potential terrorists ect ect.. but the fact is that dispite all the evils and corruptions of a few... cops, military, firemen... put their lives on the line to save lives on a regular basis.

And let me remind you that more military donations went to RP than to all the other candidates combined.

Whats your job atrickpay?

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Has anyone ever wondered why

Has anyone ever wondered why we have such a hard time getting the Freedom Movement into the mainstream? It is stupid comments like this. Many of our police and military have stood in front of guns violence for us and atrickpay thinks they are all criminals. That is like saying if one student out of 50 gets an F the teacher is a bad teacher. I hope no one ever breaks into his house.

People on this site need to be more accepting of the general public and undrestand that we may not agree on everything but lets try. Every time some one says something that does not "toe the Ron Paul line" they get called names. I wouldn't want to be a part of this organization either...

My heroes are...

(In no particular order)

Ben Franklin
Thomas Edison
Eli Whitney
Steve Wozniak
Alan Turing
Leonardo da Vinci
Norman Borlaug
Ludwig Von Mises
Murray Rothbard

and naturally,

Ron Paul.

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Using the word hero

to describe a group who is paid to do that job is a devaluation of the word. I guess we will have to make up a new one. A hero faces immediate death, not possible danger.

Actually I decided to look it up here is Webster's dictionary. Looks like they are just misusing the word.

1 a : a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability b : an illustrious warrior c : a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities d : one that shows great courage
2 a : the principal male character in a literary or dramatic work b : the central figure in an event, period, or movement
3 plural usually heros : submarine 2
4 : an object of extreme admiration and devotion : idol

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I used to think

it was a concession to not being paid enough and that teachers were in the same category. Meaning, as a society, we cannot pay them enough for the harder parts of their job so we have this concession where we treat them as heroes.

It seems pretty out there, but, there was a time when I didn't have access to libertarian resources, but I was full of questions about the way things were and the answers available to me were inadequate. I had to improvise (think for myself from scratch without anyone to bounce my conclusions off of).

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My Husband is in the military and He is still my hero!

And I feel the same way about every Sailor I know . Never met anyone of them that I thought of a as thug. Sorry but no one is going to change my Mind. (I do despise Roid Ragging Alfa Males But I'll continue to focus my disdain towards the Police). lol

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Tax Feeders are "Heroes"...

...'cause it sez so on teevee, and they place themselves between us and dangerous prostitutes and potheads, whereas evil loggers and selfish deep sea fishers are merely motivated by greed.

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LOL! Couldn't have said it

LOL! Couldn't have said it better myself!

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Well would you consider the two cops

that warned us about the MIAC reports heros ? I would

We'll all be heroes soon

Cause that's about all the jobs that are going to be left. Maybe work in a prison or work for
Gov. run healthcare.

I think when people say that cops and military are heros

it's in hopes that when their time comes and a cop or military person is stomping their face, they may get brownie points by crying, "I always said I think you're a hero".

Because they put

their lives on the line every day! Now going to work and sitting at some computer: one may die in an auto/bus/other accident to/from work...or some ex-employee may go postal, et cetera....but the CHANCE for death in most occupations are minimal...not so with police/military...
Have a little respect!!!
For the bad apple police/military...some are truly bad (there are bad people in all walks of life) and will never change, others just need better training, some just need education...

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Then why aren't repo men and crab fishermen heros?

Or drug smugglers or trapeze artists? If the only critera for heroism is level of risk, then I can think of way more risky jobs.

Because a repo man or a

Because a repo man or a trapeeze artist isn't called to save YOUR life.

Well,

my Dad did a lot of longshoreman work and is a hero to me...
Police and Military are putting their lives on the line for WE THE PEOPLE! Little bit of a difference there...
It has to do with the SERVE/PROTECT (the People, the Country) thing...
I understand the point some are trying to make about indoctrination...

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YEAH, The CRAB fishermen!!

Especially that deck hand, with the cig hanging out of his mouth all the time, and always a warrant out for his arrest. I think he even got in a couple of scraps on deck. I like him...

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You paint such a pretty picture!

LOL Well, at least they're out there supporting themselves, eh? And so long as they give us the correct type of "crabs", should we complain? I know quite a few fishing industry people...you have stereotyped them...
My father smoked, for sure, but has never been in trouble with the law, served his Country during WWII, loves his family...bathes regularly, etc...

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"you have stereotyped them..."

That wasn't my intention.

I was referring to a guy on the discovery Channel show " Deadliest catch". A crab fishing show.
If he personifies the rest of the industry, well so be it.

He works his butt off though. The guys earns his money, without a doubt. He is just no BS kinda guy, and I was just admiring that, in a roundabout way.

After watching this show, I have vowed to never gripe about the price of King Crab....8)

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no way

I can be blown up at any moment in my job,burnt severely, planes would fall from the sky if didn't contribute my productivity, and I could suffocate on toxic fumes from various gases.

It's a job. These guys choose to do it. Just like I chose to do mine.

Because most people are too frightened to defend themselves!

So the wimpy majority are thankful for people who are either too desperate, too stupid, too deranged, or too aggressive, and in some cases, yes, too brave to be afraid to fight.

And then there is the personality disorder that keeps people from realizing that they are independent creatures, alone in the world, responsible for themselves, so they instead identify themselves with the high school (football team), state or nation in whose territory they live, and idolize those who hold up the banner (team captain or cheerleader, politicians, military and police); what a sick society.

If we regarded them as simple low level employees, some on power trips, that report to their superiors, mostly without question so that they can keep their jobs, then maybe we might be more in contact with reality.

Oh, and yes, some are very decent people who believe in freedom, and just made a bad career choice.

"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley

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Please take a few minutes

Please take a few minutes and go read some of the testimonials from our military and police....you will be pleasantly surprised!! Instead of focusing only the negative, judging as groups ...please see the individuals. Instead of alienating all because of a few how about reaching out and supporting those that are good?

Please just read a few of these...

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/category/oathkeeper-testimonials/

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What you stated

about alienating all because of a few is precisely why these types of posts concern me...
Frequently, I believe they are nothing more than deliberate attempts to divide...and I certainly do not trust those who employ such tactics...

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Thanks for the link

to Oathkeepers. I have heard them mentioned on AJ;s show by a caller, but had not looked into it. I will make a donation this week.

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Jefferson~Thank you!

* I am so glad you are here BTW...in desperation and after making many posts with little response I made this simple request for a few to please look!

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/101787

I know I am remiss in leaving encouraging comments for these guys...but I encourage everyone leave a quick comment on these testimonials.

I swear I am going to go through and answer each and every one this week!

I'm so scattered, smothered, covered and fried..it's hard to keep up with all that is going on ..but I really think we need to go over there and give support in comments!!!

PS. how is your leg doing ? You are always welcome in my home in NC !
I am looking at Galt's Gulch places in SW NC but may not get there in time!

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Leave a message of encouragement as well...

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I agree

the military are huge supporters of Dr. Paul. I don't understand this bashing unless it is the desire to alienate supporters. What GOOD comes from bashing others. Yes, there is a problem with the system it has been taken over by the elite. The problem is not our military or the police the problem are those who have infiltrated and are using the system to undermine and destroy the Constitution.

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Thank you QS

If only people would read some of those testimonials....sigh...I guess promoting fear, collectivist judgements and alienation instead of trying to work with positives sells better here lately. ; - (

The military are huge supporters and they are very concerned, very patriotic and understand thier oaths !! They have pledged to stand with us and we need them!!

Reading these testimonials gives me great hope and comfort!!
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/category/oathkeeper-testimonials/

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"I truly wish that real life would no longer surpass the worst excesses of my nightmarish imaginings... Arthur Silber **

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd