An Important Message To All Goldbugs. UPDATED !
Click Here For An Up-dated prognostication with comments concerning the future price of Gold: { Aug. 7th, 2009 }
http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2009/07/rich-dad-base-money-vs-gol...
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I cannot know if this is true or not: Aug 1, 2009.
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/bellringers_corner/h...
But here is an excerpt:
'HELLO, CENTRAL!' BANKING CHANGE! (Updated August 1, 2009)
(Response)
FROM: Patrick H. Bellringer
TO: LT
DATE: July 31, 2009
SUBJECT: Reply
Dear LT:
Thank you. This is great confirmation that the change to a gold standard banking system in the U.S. is in process
In Love and Light,
Patrick H. Bellringer
Please click on the link for the full blog:
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/bellringers_corner/h...
Here is today's 8/3/2009 Gold up-date:
"A Lot of Room on the Upside" for Gold as the Dollar Wobbles
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/294411/%22A-Lot...





















I can't Imagine
that the NWO is going to willingly give back the gold that they stole . Not going to happen.
Yeah I'm very sure the benevolent Bankers...
....Would just bring us back all the metal they stole to begin with.
Right. No sorry, never going to happen
GOODBYE DOLLAR - HELLO
GOODBYE DOLLAR - HELLO GOLD
Egon von Greyerz
Matterhorn Asset Management AG - May 13, 2009 Newslettter
Or, we could say "Goodbye Paper Money - Hello Real Money".
We have for some time warned investors that the era of the dollar as a reserve currency is coming to an end soon and that the strongest and safest currency is gold. All currencies are hopelessly declining in value against gold and this trend will accelerate in the next few months and years, starting now.
Voltaire's statement from 1729 that "All paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value - ZERO" is now ringing as true as ever. We show in the graph below the decline of major currencies against gold since 1900. The US dollar, Euro (DM), Pound and Yen have all declined between 93% and 99% against gold in the last 109 years. With the money printing soon reaching Zimbabwean proportions it will not be long until many paper currencies will reach their intrinsic value or in other words become worthless.
So what should we trust the most - the natural stability of gold or clueless governments who destroy the value of their people's money?
The money printing gives short term gratification to the people/voters and the illusion that they are better off when in fact all they have is more debt and a depreciating currency. But the group that really benefits are the financiers/speculators. Money printing combined with massive credit growth enables the financiers to create enormous fortunes. This gives them leverage over the government who needs their wealth to stay in power. It becomes a process of collusive back scratching between power hungry politicians and greedy financiers.
Asset allocation to gold to rise rapidly
Currently circa 0.6% only of global assets or $785 billion is invested in gold. At current prices $785 billion represents 10 years' gold production. It would not be surprising to see an increase in asset allocation to gold from 0.6% to 2-3% in the next few years. Currently, virtually no asset manager, pension fund or investment fund buys gold. This will change.
Most central banks have now stopped selling gold and some are buying actively like China and Russia. IMF might sell some gold 2009-10 but this would be picked up by China. Gold production is declining and the world produces five times more gold annually than it discovers thus depleting reserves. The only increase in supply will come from scrap gold (mostly jewellery) but this will be nowhere near sufficient.
An increase in asset allocation to gold from 0.6% to 2% would involve additional investment in gold of almost $2 trillion. At current prices this would mean 60,000 tons of gold which is 24 years production!
Thus, it is evidently clear that a major increase in investment demand, which is bound to come, can never be satisfied with gold at current prices. It can only be satisfied with gold at substantially higher prices. Therefore, gold is likely to increase manifold from here in real terms and substantially more in inflationary or hyperinflationary terms.
EGON von GREYERZ
MATTERHORN ASSET MANAGEMENT AG
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_08/greyerz051309.html
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
I hope everyone here will
talk to their bank and try to get more verification. My Posts below only express my research. Again.....I was shocked that my credit Union even knew about it. That in itself raised a red flag.
I agree...
I agree...
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
YES
I don't want to be the cause of a "Panic". I just could not believe they knew about it. So do your own research, and go into your bank manager and ask the correct questions like I did....
"Do you already have the Gold Backed New Treasury Notes?"
I have 90% doubt before I asked this question....after I asked this question.....and got the answer I did......my doubt went down a hair.
It is a 100% REAL plus FAKE hoax, on purpose.
First, it's the Globalist leader's way of fooling the population into thinking the gold standard is coming back.
Second of all, every major bank knows about it because they are in on the scam to fool people into thinking it's a "currency change"
Really all it is, is a way for the bankers to hide their scam in the NEW WORLD ORDER neo-feudal GLOBAL FEDERAL RESERVE BANK instead backed by false gold....
International currency. Millions will be fooled by it too.
The one face of the beast that will require quite a takedown is the Fed......but once it, not just the states "truly" phase that out....then the next face of the beast is the Global Fed.
And the Global Federal Reserve will fool millions of people with nonsense because the Global Federal Reserve will have a new paint job as deceptive as the first.
Dear WP: Thanks for
If that's true, then what does it mean about debt? Will debts convert 1-to-1 into the new gold backed dollars? This gold backed dollar should, in my opinion, cause a major devaluation in the FRNs... but if they initially convert 1-1 and it is mandatory.... then wouldn't that essentially be locking in all the debt of this nation, or at least the people's debts, to where they would be unable to be inflated out of debt while the government does the same?
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That doesn't make any sense to me.
But, lets do some math.
The original U.S. Dollar before 1933 was set at 1/20th of an ounce of Gold, and nobody knows if everybody tried to exchange their paper or Silver dollars for Gold at once, if the treasury had enough stored Gold to cover the dollars in circulation.
The U.S. claims to have about 8,130 metric tonnes of Gold in storage, and lets say the IMF which claims over 3,000 tonnes chips in their Gold and the total end result, after scrounging around is about 12,000 metric tonnes.
1 metric tonne is about 32,150 ounces, I'm told.
So, 12,000 times 32,150 equals about 385,800,000 possible ounces of Gold available.
But, how many dollars are on the books?
10 trillion? 20 trillion? 50 trillion?
Well to make this easier lets just guess at 15 trillion.
15,000,000,000,000 --does that look right?
So $15,000,000,000,000 dollars divided by 385,800,000 ounces of Gold equals $38,880.2488336 per ounce of Gold, rounded off.
Which would mean the price of Gold would be worth about $38,880.2488336 per ounce.
But, if the new dollar only represents or is redeemable at 1/40th of an ounce of Gold..38,880.2488336 divided by 40 equals about $972.006 per ounce, or a little more than the price of Gold in today's U.S.dollars.
385,800,000 ounces times 40 equals 15,432,000,000 and this number divided into $15,000,000,000,000 equals $972.006 { Price of Gold per ounce }
If my math is correct.
Special note: This is an example only of how the U.S. dollars could be backed or redeemable in Gold.
beesting
Not sure what to make of this but
they are talking about a basil 3 accord now.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=basel+3+accord&aq=f&oq=basil+...
Basel III
When you google "Basil" it is spelled "Basel" and with 3 "III" after it. It is tough to google with all of the misspellings....but it is all there.
Bellringer is into NESARA
Read down on the linked site and if I'm not mistaken this Bellringer guy endorses the NESARA hoax. I'm satisfied this issue does not warrant further discussion or attention.
What about these 2 Credit unions in Oregon?
That are aware of a new type of money coming some time in the future?
And this:
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldForecaster/1249088400.php
beesting
BOLOGNA CALL
When I saw "NESARA" I stopped reading. NESARA (see Wikipedia) is an alleged secret agreement made by the feds that goes back to Clinton-Bush and allegedly creates gigantic benefits for gold bugs "in the system". Many have lost thousands of federal reserve notes based on confusing wording hinting that m/b-illions of FRNs are available. In short, a Madoff-Ponzi. There are also UFOs involved, for those who know what I mean by that.
Gold WILL rise, and T-Dollars and Basel 3 are probably real albeit misinterpreted; but the New-Age talk ("Bellringer", "Love and Light", "Dove of Oneness") and the alleged fed/alien connections are just another windowdressing.
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We are whipping folks back into shape, we are going to get this done!" --
Barack Obama , quoted by politico.com,
The most terrifying words in the English language are: "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help!"-- Ronald Reagan
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
Okay
I just got off the phone with my Bank......and it was really weird. I startled them with my question. They said "Yes" they are familiar with them, and "No" they do not have them in stock yet. Then I asked if they had a date when they would be used?
The person said that they do not have a date yet, but are familiar with them. I clarified twice.
The person then explained that "What I heard is that these notes will be for only inner bank type transfers." I kept probing...but that is all I could get....
So take it for what it is. That is all I could get.
OnPoint Credit Union in Portland Oregon.
Maybe it is the end of Days
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVGgjmKU4TQ
Thanks and good video.
My family is preparing like we did for Y2K.
Let me venture a guess:
The banks will sell their toxic assets { delinquent loans on real estate, auto's, and credit cards, etc. } at a huge discount for a Gold backed bond or loan of some type, to the Fed.
Gold will rise in price raising the asset base of the bank as the dollar value of Gold rises, thereby saving the banks that are in real trouble: 2,688 banks listed here are in trouble:
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/files/documents/X-List.htm
My advice buy Gold now before it explodes up ward.
beesting
Since we're exercising our imaginations, here is some more.
Lets just say the Fed works out a plan where they issue $1 million in a Gold backed loan of some type for $20 million of toxic bank real estate assets that are in default.
{ Step 1. }The troubled banks sell toxic real estate assets for discounted Gold loans to the Fed.
Now there's a good chance that those real estate loans still have some value because of the land the foreclosed properties are sitting on. So, lets say the Fed after trading new issues of Gold backed loans they've created, { The U.S./Fed claims it has about 261 million ounces of Gold in storage } ,,for toxic real estate loans to the banks that hold them,because these banks have lost their credit ratings due to the fact that the original value of these real estate loans { $ 20 million } has dropped big time .
{ Step 2 } Then the Fed, sells these bundles of foreclosed properties to China { the guys currently holding the big U.S. bucks } for $3 million each.
The Fed has made a nice $2 million profit, the banks now have an appreciating Gold backed or Gold redeemable asset on it's balance sheets, which they can sell to other banks at any time, and Communist China now owns a little more of American real estate.
Thanks Fed, you've caused this !
Conjecture only !
beesting
It's not real
I don't have to chase this down up and down looking for the answer...this is obviously fake.
Our dollar could never be backed in gold...not possible, not going to happen. There isn't enough gold on the planet to back our currency.
Use you brain, this is fake.
www.jzneff.blogspot.com
What do you think about the war on drugs?
How about Operation Wall Street?
Shout it today!
http://www.youshouts.com/index.php
sure there is enough gold..
sure there is enough gold.. it just means gold will be worth much more then it currently is..
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
If it is 100% Fake
Then why in the hell did my bank know about them?? Answer me that?
Certain banks
Certain banks are accepting government investments...the Treasury will print them certificates, not in gold, in US Dollars. Perhaps they will be backed against gold at current US Dollar value, but that's about as much of a backed currency we're going to get.
It's not replacing Federal Reserve Notes, the Federal Reserve is not being dissolved, and we will not have a gold standard in 2009...I absolutely assure you.
www.jzneff.blogspot.com
What do you think about the war on drugs?
How about Operation Wall Street?
Shout it today!
http://www.youshouts.com/index.php
You are incorrect
There is certainly enough gold to back our currency --- it is just a question of at what price? One ounce, hypothetically, could back all the dollars in existence, if the price of gold were set high enough. That is such an economically ignorant and disingenous answer, I am surprised you would even dare make it.
Gold IS going to come back into the monetary system --- it is just a question of how. Fiat currency always fails, ALWAYS! The temptation for the politicians to abuse it until it is fatally devalued is simply too irresistible. Thousands of years of history, and hundreds of examples, prove that case.
Ok akak
Speaking hypothetically...sure, you could back your currency on anything you like. If you set the price high enough, sure.
It would be impractical, to say the least to do so. You would crush the country and the government. Perhaps this is what you mean to do, but I don't think you're thinking it through fully.
Destruction of our economy means we are no longer ruled by common consent, but by force. I know you'd like to think that you could live fine in a cabin in the woods with a pile of gold and silver, but people with guns will want that gold and silver, and they'll have armies of starving people willing to put you on a spit to get it.
Sure, we could back our currency...but our opponents could correctly argue that it would destroy all we have worked for...and we'll be ignored, again.
I'll put some thought into a system as honest as bimetallism, but more practically applied.
What do you think about the war on drugs?
How about Operation Wall Street?
Shout it today!
http://www.youshouts.com/index.php
"Crush"? Why?
You or the many other defenders of fiat have yet to explain why the gold standard worked so well, and was emminently practical, 100 years ago, and yet today "things are different", and a gold standard is now somehow impossible. Tell us, what (aside from the cancerous, metastizing growth of government) is so different today that prevents the only universal, real money in human history from functioning in its historical role today?
At first glance, I grant you, the economy and monetary levels of today make it SUPERFICIALLY appear as if gold (and silver) would have to be priced at sky-high prices to function as money again. However, as more and more of us are coming to understand, the vast bulk of what is considered "wealth" in the world today, and I suspect much of the ostensible "money" in the world today, are just paper figments of the imagination, which have no real backing or basis for existing.
I firmly believe that had gold and silver NOT been removed from our monetary systems by the statists and Keynesians witch doctors, they would still be functioning as money today just as well as they ever did throughout the last 3000 years.
Ron Paul said it best: "Because gold is honest money, it is disliked by dishonest men". (Except that instead of the word "disliked", I would have said "hated, loathed, despised, fought, maligned, attacked.")
colonists
Didn't the colonists have fiat money? Wasn't it England saying you had to pay your taxes in Gold one of the Main reasons for the Declaration of Independence, Tea Party, etc...?
I don't mind a fiat system or a gold system, I think my problem is when it's issued with interest as debt at its "creation".
Yes, paper money was rampant in colonial America
Which, ironically, was the first widespread use of paper currency in the Western world (China was the first, and equally disastrous, example) --- and it was an unmitigated disaster. That is why the Founding Fathers were so opposed to paper money and "bills of credit" almost to a man. And bear in mind that most of this was supposedly redeemable currency, not the purely fiat crap that we attempt to use as money today. The colonists were repeatedly hosed by their own governments via the debasement and overissuance of paper currency time and time again, and then by the Continental Congress with their infamous "Continentals", a byword for worthless currency even today.
Paper "money", along with central banking, are far and away the two greatest frauds and crimes in human economic history.
there would be nothing wrong
there would be nothing wrong with crushing the government.. the government is way to large to begin with. the government is the reason we find ourselves in the position we are in today. Everything you said above will happen eventually anyway.. doesn't Ron Paul call for the down sizing of the federal government by 90%?
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
Jason Hommel: What if They
Jason Hommel: What if They Returned to the Gold Standard?
(They can't, but we can..)
Silver Stock Report
by Jason Hommel, December 10th, 2008
What if the Government went back on a Gold Standard?
Do do that, they would need to use their gold to pay off all their debt.
That would give a price of gold if the U.S. Government backed the dollar with gold.
We only need to know two numbers, and do a simple problem of division.
First number: The national debt.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np
The government tells us this is:
$10,656,119,227,403
That's 10.6 trillion dollars.
Second number: The U.S. Gold stock.
http://www.fms.treas.gov/gold/current.html
The government tells us this is:
261,498,899 ounces of gold
That's 261 million ounces of gold.
So $10,656,119,227,403 divided by 261,498,899 = $40,750/oz. of gold.
In theory, if the U.S. government had the restraint to stop issuing any kind of new debt, and if there was a runaway hyperinflation, the government could credibly stop any sort of runaway gold price by offering gold at a price of $40,750/oz.
That's the price that could cap the gold market if the U.S. government sold all their gold to all their bond holders. At that point, all new taxes would have to be levied in gold, not dollars.
It's important to realize that any effort by the government to sell gold below that price will ultimately fail, and will eventually cause the gold price to go even higher than that price, as that would only deplete their limited stock of gold at inappropriate price levels.
The main point is that T-Bills, which are perceived as the safest haven around, are not safe. They are only backed up by gold at a rate of $40,750 per oz. With gold trading today at around $800/oz., the U.S. gold backs less than 2% of the value of the issued bonds, or stated another way, $800 is 2% of the price of $40,750. Gold, at today's prices, is clearly a far superior safe haven.
And silver, which is in short supply, due to relentless industrial demand that has consumed nearly all world silver supplies, is even safer.
Clearly, the government cannot offer gold at $40,750 per oz. today. There would be no buyers. But, over time, the gold price may rise to such levels, and beyond, as a generation of people slowly wake up to the monetary fraud of the last 29 to 95 years, depending on whether you count from 1980 or 1913.
I am not an advocate of a return to a gold standard, where gold backs up paper money. I'm in favor of a return to using silver and gold coins and bars as money, as measured by weight, and traded at their intrinsic value according to the price in an open and free market place.
Sincerely,
Jason Hommel
http://oikonomika-blog.blogspot.com/2008/12/jason-hommel-wha...
I like four winds for their
I like four winds for their links, although Bellringer is a wee bit too New Agey for my tastes. However, it's a great place to follow the fiction behind the Wanta Settlements. They're always posted under the "Casper Updates" -----"You are a den of Vipers.I intend to rout you out and by the Eternal God I will rout you out."
.uǝʞɐɥs puɐ uʍop ǝpısdn pǝuɹnʇ ǝq oʇ spǝǝu pǝɟ ǝɥʇ
For an informed citizenry, individuals must discard the television set in favor of the acquisition of information via either books and/or the internet. An uneducated populous will remain in ignorance and thus continue to suffer the sharp ax of tyranny.
It's not a fiction....
.....And that has been proven. I don't like him in the least bit, but the truth is all the Leo Wanta games were part of the oligarch's agenda too.
http://blog.myspace.com/tom_heneghan_intel
It's true that Wanta really did do those actions and really did win in court and all those other things. At the same time, it's part of their game.