Ron Paul Blimp Site Changed! Fiat Money Donation Time!
Submitted by Clint Johnson on Sat, 12/01/2007 - 15:01I don't see the old pledge count...it appears they dropped pledges in favor of direct donations! Let's DO IT!
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I gave my $25
I will give more if others join me. I don't see a problem with the $12.50 hr they are paying out to employees. If you think this sort of business organization is easy, someone else should try a new promotional campaign.
They have the flight plan posted.
They have the flight plan posted. I have fulfilled my commitment. Will you? Let's get this thing off the ground.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, 1791
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, 1791
Response from Trevor & Company
I wrote to Trevor (RonPaulBlimp.com) expressing the many concerns from us at DailyPaul and this is the response:
Joseph,
An email is going out tommorow morning with information about the Ron Paul Blimp Tour and a request that people fulfill their pledges by sponsoring air time for the blimp. If you look at our website we have recently added several more features and new information to clarify this ad campaign.
Thanks for your concern. Please continue to communicate with us.
Katharine Memole
Customer Relations
www.RonPaulBlimp.com
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Looks like that is the answer to everyone of whether or not they are going to email us all. Can't wait to be a part of this.
~Joe
could use sentence
to clarify that this is where pledges for blimp is made. When I first saw the sight I thought it was something different than the original sight. I went ahead and made my donation after being reassured that yes, this is the sight to pay for my pledge. Also a lot of people may not know that it is time to pay if they do not come here all the time. I didn't know until I got here and I thought I would get an email informing me it was time. I still hope the blimp gets off the ground because I think it would be a lot of fun for us to watch it move about the country. Donate and lets get this thing going. They did the right thing in making sure it was all legal. You know it would have been kindda neat if you side had the Constitution on it but that is just a thought. Good luck
Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.
This project is actually more credible now.
They are outside lawyers. Consultants more like. For this type of project, I feel a little better knowing they have sought out legal advice and media advice. I think it should add to it's credibility, not detract from it. This is a big project.
It has also been stated from the beginning that if you are not maxed out at the campaign, do that first. Sounds like your best bet would be to go to www.ronpaul2008.com/donate and give there. For those of us who have maxed out (I am going to on the 16th) then the blimp is a good extra-curricular project.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, 1791
like i said before...
"I dont think we got "conned" if you want this to happen, put your money where your mouth is. Dr Paul has $5mil cus of lyman...maybe it wasnt his idea, but he did most of the legwork in putting together the site etc.
I dont care who gets paid as long as the thing gets in the air. the only question that matters...Will you care if there was a lawyer team when Ron Paul wins the primaries??
everyone settle down."
Trevor did a great job.
But it just shows the difference between having a good idea and actually organising something and being a professonal and safe guardian of others money.
I get mad at this because not just because we were promised things that were taken away later, and not just because no one is saying how much anyone is being paid, but because I have read about people with very little money giving all they have to help RP.
So now these people who maybe earn $7 an hour are going to support people who could well support themselves AND help RP at the same time?
The best way for some of these people to help may be to get a good paying job and raise more money for the campaign that way - if they are maxed out they can do what Mr Lenard did - and donate their spare time to helping.
How much work is involved in telling a pilot to fly from A to B and pick up some passengers with tickets?
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94% of all problems are due to SYSTEMS, not people (Edwards Deming)
$23,375 purchased as of 3:03
$23,375 purchased as of 3:03 pm 12/02/07 EST
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, 1791
$23,825 purchased as of 3:59 pm 12/02/07 EST
$23,825 purchased as of 3:59 pm 12/02/07 EST
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, 1791
"There's a sucker born every
"There's a sucker born every minute." - P. T. Barnum
And that sucker is you.
If you're not going to contribute anything useful, then leave.
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsley believe they are free."
-Goethe
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsley believe they are free."
-Goethe
Stop It...
Never ever tell someone to *leave*... alot of us find the blimp idea doubious...
There can be no question about the validity of Dec 16th however.
umm...
you realize the same people are organizing both...right?
Trevor did not do it all on his own.
Hundreds and hundreds of UNPAID people got the message of Nov 5 out.
And will do the same again.
Plus he got the original idea from another website, and the people at ronpaulforums.com helped too.
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94% of all problems are due to SYSTEMS, not people (Edwards Deming)
WRONG.
One is a very, very good idea. But they don't handle the money.
The other all the money goes to Ron Paul and HE decides how much people should be paid.
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94% of all problems are due to SYSTEMS, not people (Edwards Deming)
True, but one could
True, but one could argue:
1. Tea Party -> Goes directly to the campaign
2. Blimp -> Payment goes to the LLC
I believe there is a major difference here. I"m not saying the blimp is a bad idea, and for those of you who are donating, more power to you. I'm not satisfied with the execution, therefore, I'll put my money towards another project like Operation Freedom.. just my personal choice.
Like anything in life, handing over your hard earned money has an element of risk to it.
In Favor of the Changes
Listen, although the campaign is being organized at the grass roots level, by turning the blimp idea into an advertising business they will have complete flexibility to go after deep pocket pro-Ron Paul "advertisers". You do realize that getting several multi-million dollar backers will go a long, long way toward the GOAL which, repeat after me, is to get Ron Paul elected. Keep this in mind. There are not yet enough of us to combat every big ticket supporter of a Hilary Clinton or Barack Obama. This is an intelligent way to turn things around.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
There is a problem I think ...
I believe I read somewhere on daily paul a post by Elijah that they can't say something like "Ron Paul for President". Some kind of political thing.
Which is why they changed it to "Who is Ron Paul".
If you can't say "Ron Paul for President', what use is that?
Correction - it wasn't Elijah who said that.
It was Jeremiah at the end of these posts.
The blimp can say anything
Quote: "If you can't say "Ron Paul for President', what use is that?"
Not true. We're buying advertising, it's our money, it's our ad. We gave creative control over to Lymon by pledging, and he's made an informed decision to update the graphics based on new information. The "new information" says that a MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE STILL UNFAMILIAR with Ron Paul! Personally, I believe this also. The community on the Internet, although gigantic and widespread, is still subject to insular group behavior. We need to break out beyond this community and reach out to people unfamiliar with all of this, even those who may believe their vote means nothing in this day and age.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
"You do realize that getting
"You do realize that getting several multi-million dollar backers will go a long, long way toward the GOAL which, repeat after me, is to get Ron Paul elected."
Then they need to act like a serious company and do a better job in terms of execution. If I ran my company like this, I wouldn't have one. I support the idea, I even think the goal of bringing in "Big Dogs" for advertising is also strong, but I just don't feel like they have their act together (maybe it'll take time). I'm always willing to put my money where my mouth is, that's not the issue here.
I hear your complaints, but
I hear your complaints, but I've been through several start-ups and I'm impressed, very impressed with the level of organization thus far. The first two start-ups I survived, it took us nearly A YEAR to make our first big sale. We were going after the same kind of big dollar amounts (we had about 6 million in sales in the 2nd year). Give it just a little bit of time, for crying out loud. Remember, the Ron Paul campaign has been marching along for some time now. The Blimp project is new.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
Just Guessing
I am just guessing, but I do know that political funding laws are draconian. But it is possible that they may not be able to send us e-mail reminders because we pledged to a different project - yes, this is a new project. Just a guess.
As to Trevor - A BIG THANKS. If you do the math 60 minutes in an hour (Bush hasn't change that) 8 hours per day (the Fed can't inflate that) 7 days in a week (check Genesis for a reference on that) about 4 weeks in a month (trust the moon on that) times $25 and bingo we have the original $350,000 per month. So I'm not sure where anyone is headed for a big profit.
As to Photos - Great, I like to know who I'm dealing with. Nice "national" team. Thanks to each of you!
As to big pledges - Yep, they could have been bogus.
As to my pledge - well it became a purchase that took $5650 to $6650.
As to your pledge - Hey, My BIG Thanks to all of you who scape together the $25, $50 and $100 purchases. You are awesome!
THEY GOT MY $100
I couldn't wait to make good on my pledge.
Have a little faith for Ron and our sake.
I wish some of those 64 x $5000 pledges would start kicking in.
If those pledges were a plant this project is in trouble.
I think a lot of folks are confused by the donation machinery.
But the high rollers, if there are any, ought to have figured out how to drop the cash by now.
Vic
Vic DeHaven - organizer Quartzsite, Aridzone, Ron Paul Meetup Group
When we fear our own government more than we fear the terrorists, it's time for Ron Paul...
New website does not allow non-US citizens to donate
Just a screw up. I've contacted the site. If anyone knows TL's email perhaps they can contact him directly.
If you leave the US citizen box unchecked, the form does not allow you to proceed, and a popup says that you "haven't agreed to the terms". Just a quick fix, but I assume that a good bit of their pledges was from non-US donors.
Also, they should clarify what "advertising" time means in relation to calendar time.
is the blimp flying...
no matter how much advertising time is purchased through the site? sorry, I'm not up to speed on this particular project. I seem to remember something about a mimimum $350K/month initial startup cost....
No way the blimp flys at the
No way the blimp flys at the current rate of donations. If you consider after the first couple of days donations should drop this is bad news. Ya'll better hope a heavy hitter comes in and drops some serious cash or your money just went into a blackhole.
If I was a heavy hitter
I'd buy my own damn blimp!
I would expect
an email reminding me to follow through on my pledge. It all looks pretty self-explanatory. I saw a range from $25 to $1 million for donations (they are calling it advertising now) as well as a link to contact those in charge if you want more information. That seems better than talking trash about Trevor. Whether or not these ideas originate with him, ideas are nothing until actions are taken - I am thankful for Trevor's hard work on behalf of the campaign.
i doubt that...
I'm sure trevor would get money back to people if the blimp went bust