Rand Paul Supports War In Afghanistan?
my face just turned red when I read this
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2030072/rand_paul_t...
quote:
"According to his campaign website, Rand Paul is in favor of a balanced budget, for the war in Afghanistan..."
I went to Rand's website
http://www.randpaul2010.com/?page_id=14
here is a quote:
"After 911, an immediate raid by 10,000 Special Forces on camps in Afghanistan would have been justified by the executive, even if the decision was made in secrecy.
But, any military action that takes more than a few days or weeks to organize and is directed against a country’s government should require a declaration of war. When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, Congress met and declared war within 24hrs.
Congress has had plenty of time to declare war on Afghanistan and Iraq. As a member of Congress, Dr. Rand Paul would have demanded and voted in the affirmative for a declaration of war with Afghanistan. He would demand and voted against a declaration of war with Iraq."
My question: is Rand Paul for the continuation of the fake and illegal war in Afghanistan?





















The question is whether he supports nation building
and bringing freedom to Afghans. That's what makes a neo-con.
Supporting a foreign intervention or war for purposes other than nation building and democratizing other countries does not make one a neo-conservative, as much as people like to twist or ignore the meaning of "neo-conservative." After all, Ron Paul supported the invasion of Afghanistan.
This is an old post made by me
and I am kind of shocked seeing it alive now...but I understand why it is the Big news now...
Patriots -
Please lets contnue to work hard and dwell on the positive things - our direct activist actions and....
Rand is perhaps just trying to get a large number of KY neo-cons to vote for him to insure his victory.
It is painfull to me - because I know how fake that war is - people there can't sleep at night in their own houses because of high altitude bombings occur mainy at night....
God Bless you all patriots*))
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>Rand is perhaps just trying
>Rand is perhaps just trying to get a large number of KY neo-cons to vote for him to insure his victory.<
So are you OK with his methods of getting more votes. Can you trust this kind of politician? Shouldn't he try to get more votes by educating people in Kentucky that war in Afghanistan has nothing to do with American security and their tax dollars are used to kill civilians in order to secure route for future pipeline?
American ( British and Polish also ) soldiers do in Afghanistan what Red Army was doing in 1945 after "liberating" polish territories...killing and imprisoning freedom fighters... killing those that do not accept puppet government...
Russian NKVD and Polish Military tribunals killed a few thousands of Polish patriots in Poland... sometimes execution pluton had not enough guts to do it and supervising officer had to do it himself...
as it was in case of 17 year old Inka Sledzikowna...
....4 minutes history lesson from youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddSPz269aeo&feature=PlayList&...
good points Janusz
I just try to make a point that he should not be judged before he Rand Paul has a chance to respond and clarify his position.
Politics is a dirty business - to get elected and stay in office even Ron Paul used FRN's lol hehehe nobody on this planet is perfect if you look for perfection look above way way above the birds those eagles...
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Legalize Liberty; Has your question been answered?
Legalize Liberty: "all I want from Rand is one thing-one question& his answer.... do you support the continuation of Afghanistan war?"
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I do remember when Ron Paul also said--
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
that a small force of special forces needed to go into Afghanistan RIGHT AFTER 9/11 to see what could be found--
Is this, perhaps, what has been blown up into meaning support for Afghanistan war on the Rand website?
I can't believe I am arguing for him. I don't live in Kentucky. I just want to see fairness and get at the truth--
I hope he can explain.
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
"Just bring them home".....remember that?
Guess who said it?
RON PAUL and not his son.
it is looking like he does
it is looking like he does support it, and has many other unconstitutional views on other issues. i for one will never turn neo con, no matter what famous person with the last name paul supports unconstitutional losses of liberty.
Everytime this topic surfaces, the Neo-Cons show their colors
Legalizeliberty, you are one of the good ones. I will not be led to the fires by any false prophets. This issue needs to be addressed and quickly. I thank those like Legalizeliberty who tirelessly question in the face of the lemmings. If you support the continuation of any actions in the name of the "War on Terror". You 1. Don't understand liberty or the crux of the Ron Paul message on foreign intervention
2. Are not helping turn things around
3. Falling back into the same traps of fear and problem reaction solution tactic of tyrannical governments that have been practiced for a millennia.
As a veteran of this bogus war of aggression I'll say Rand Paul is DEAD wrong on this issue and has added nothing of substance to dismantling the interventionist beliefs of the Republican Party and establishment hacks that continue to be reelected. Its like his statement about supporting Grayson if he gets the nomination. What's the point if you don't have someone advocating harshly against the policies that have eviscerated the people of this country for so long? Its the lesser of two evils all over again. Though he sounds good on everything else he has a severe mind lapse of the last three decades of history concerning our policies in the Middle East. Ever notice how he rarely talks about present occupation and says that he would have voted to support it over 8 years ago? That means absolutely nothing to me other than he's trying to look tough on a Neo-Con position of using the destructive might of our ridiculously powerful military on third world nations. That's like a wet dream to the rank and file and has little appeal to a non-interventionist who is willing to think with a steady head and use diplomacy before inappropriate aggression. When he starts talking about the present state of Afghanistan maybe I'll get excited about this race again. Right now he's playing softball for votes on this issue. I think Kentucky is ready for a little truth about Afghanistan and the massive amount of lives and budget it steals from the American people.
I never heard of a bailout that sent defenseless peoples body parts through the air.
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>I think Kentucky is ready
>I think Kentucky is ready for a little truth about Afghanistan and the massive amount of lives and budget it steals from the American people.<
Thank you for great post.
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We where attacked, I think the president has a measure of authority to get those responsible. He can not declare war but can chase a some one across a boarder, if he remains accountable for his actions.
You're saying Bush should have gone after HIMSELF
....or Cheney first? Or Condoleeza Rice? I mean, there were a lot of people the President would have had to round up before putting himself on trial.
It was the emergency powers in secret.
Emergency powers in secret that seems dangerous at best. No checks no balances, no consequences. Basically a free hand to do whatever.
If it so important let them sacrifice their Presidency as an automatic consequence unless a consesus (everyone) in Congress votes their approval.
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What would be wrong with a Declaration of War with Afghanistan?
I think it would be wrong now, but post 911? When the govt was not doing anything to hand over those responsible for the attacks? In fact, they were hiding them?
I think a declaration of war at that time would have been justified.
What was ironic about the war in Iraq is that if you remember, Ron Paul tried to get an up or down vote on declaring war but he was shot down (no pun intended) by Henry Hyde and others who thought a declaration was not necessary. I should point out that Dr Paul would have voted against his own bill...but if we went to war, we should have done it with a people united in such an act...and maybe we wouldn't have done it.
But,
weren't the people allegedly responsible for the attacks (ie. 19 hijackers) dead?
Further, the majority of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Therefore, if there was a war (which I don't think there should be), should it have been against Saudia Arabia?
No,
There were and are plenty of people alive who conspired with the attackers.
The conspirators and attackers were not agents of the Saudi government acting out orders.
That said, step in a snake pit and don't blame the snakes for biting you. We encouraged the attacks with our manipulation of foreign governments.
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this needs to be clarified.
It doesn't jibe with everything else I've heard from him.
No?
All the recent quotes coming from him do line up with this pro-war stance.
Rand Paul is NOT Ron Paul
He might not be able to pass he puritanical Lbertarian test that some of you like to administer but I cant pass the puritanical test either !l
Cool it!
Rand's statement must be taken in the context of the time he was referring to.
Al-Qaeda blew up the towers (again, thinking late Sept. 2001)
Al-Qaeda was/is closely associated with the Taliban
the Taliban ran/runs Afghanistan
If the Congress would have held a vote at the time to declare war on Afghanistan then RP may have voted for it as well, though the Letters of Marque and Reprisal was a better idea of RP's. (The reference to Letters of Marque may have been substituted for a war declaration to get the point across to those who are not educated on the difference) A few things to remember please:
Reactionary comments articles like this, and inferring he is FOR the CONTINUED occupation of Afghanistan are totally out of line with the statement. However, the OP at least has taken a position many Americans with mental tunnel vision would share. No offense meant, but you left out very key components of the argument.
Rand Paul supports war in Afghanistan?
"And if I had been in the US senate I would have stopped them and said no more, we will have a vote. We will declare war with Afghanistan. We will declare war with Iraq. I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR A DECLARATION OF WAR WITH AFGHANISTAN but I would have voted against a declaration of war with Iraq. But I would have made them vote. And that's the problem, they no longer pay attention to the rules."
~ Rand Paul
Yep, that's what he said.
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Did you think it could also be to save face
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and drop the incognito card? Maybe he is making a political move by BSing the GOP. I would prefer not to speculate, and cause Rand any harm by judging his character and calling him out in front of many of his supporters on here, without him having a chance to defend his remarks. Speculation could cause his good name a lot of harm, and this post no offense is not going to do anything good for us right now. I think you know Rand's intentions are good, and well thought out. Let's question the real scumbags out there.
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LegalizeFreedom, great post, didn't see this the first time.
First and foremost people need to watch Re-Thinking Afghanistan before they make any further comments. Ron Paul was right to target the terror cells and not attack an entire nation. That was his platform. At those that attack us. You don't have to believe in anything further to understand that concept. I'm not sure Rand is solid in terms of non-intervention or the fact that we are waging war primarily on innocent civilians in Afghanistan. The people of Afghanistan are not terrorists. With the evidence against the war that we have now, it is time for Rand to update his position. I've sent my formal comments to the Rand Paul campaign on this subject. I suggest everyone else do the same. This is key to the root problem of the warfare/welfare state. Declaring wars on innocent countries should not be supported by any candidate.
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glenn beck interview
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/29007/...
BECK: I disagree with your father on a few things, but I will tell you that I am becoming more and more libertarian on things like defense. I have always been a guy who believes in fight big, fight hard, and then come home. But I have also believed in a big footprint of the United States, because somebody's got to hold this thing together. That was a mistaken belief of mine. I have grown past that and I'm growing past it quickly. For instance, Germany, protect your own self. I could see us pulling everybody back. I'd like to see putting people who are currently serving in Germany on the border. But what do I know? Where do you stand on foreign policies?
PAUL: I think it is sort of the tough love. And we talked about welfare reform. We talked about people having a certain period of time and then going back to work. It's kind of like has there been a certain period of time since World War II that the Germans couldn't go back to work to pay for their own defense. So I would say, yes, there needs to be a little bit of tough love. Even in Iraq it's like when do we turn things over? It's been seven years. Finally we are turning things back over to their country. So the sooner the better. With regard to foreign policy, I say that I believe in going by the enumerated rights from the Constitution, the enumerated powers and I think the primary enumerated power is defense. I think it's the primary function of the national government. But then we need to go further and define what that is. I believe, kind of like you said, that when we go to war, we go all out. We go to win. But we declare war formally. We haven't declared war since World War II. And if I had been in the US senate I would have stopped them and said no more, we will have a vote. We will declare war with Afghanistan. We will declare war with Iraq. I would have voted for a declaration of war with Afghanistan but I would have voted against a declaration of war with Iraq. But I would have made them vote. And that's the problem, they no longer pay attention to the rules.
I am pretty sure ....
What Rand meant was he supported sending troops into afghanistan immediately after 9/11, not the occupation that is currently going on and increasing under obama. Thought that was pretty obvious and Ron Paul stated the same thing.
his focus is on the process, i.e. declaration of war
He is saying "you want to go fight in afghanistan (after 911), then we should have declared war on afghanistan, I would have supported that"
now that's not an actual quote, that's what i've gathered from listening to him.
I think he's only for war as a last resort, and the formal process must be respected as stated by the constitution.
I think he would continue to preach non-interventionism.
for you glenn beck haters (and I don't have any love for glenn, but I do listen to clips of him when he has a Paul on.), the following clip isn't for you, but it does have Rand speaking on several subjects. Glenn, almost, .....almost sounds like he's opened the door for a non-interventionist position. scary.
http://libertymaven.com/2009/08/06/rand-paul-talks-with-glen...
i thought that when I first heard him say it--
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
you know, I am poor; I have not donated to his campaign--
but I think the only thing those on here who care about this CAN do is to go to the source.
Perhaps he is busy campaigning, but maybe he needs to take some time to clear things up among his most ardent supporters.
I mean, after all, if he lets down those who have supported his father, how uncool is that?
Is there ANYone on here who can approach someone in Rand's 'inner circle'--
we know there should be no such inner circles, but it's reality; he's a busy man--
anyone?
I would suggest that--
if anyone is listening--
it's easy to get emotional--
It might help to have some historical perspective. Did John Adams and his Son Quincy differ?
I want to believe he is a good man, though I have a suspicious nature--
I don't really trust anyone--
though I appreciate Ron Paul--
but IF you want to know the truth, go to the source.
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
Please post Rand's position on Afghanistan:
Honestly,I hope he doesn't bring the Constitution into his answer.
Thank you patriot
we need-deserve an answer on the illegal Afghanistan war.
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"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul
So, say "Pakistan" is "involved" in the next terrorist attack
against us....is Rand going to vote for some kind of government retaliation?
I'm pretty sure Ron wouldn't, but Rand I'm not sure.