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Does the Constitution violate the Declaration of Independence?
Submitted by atrickpay on Sun, 08/09/2009 - 19:31
The DOI says that governments must be formed with the consent of the governed. I don't know about you, but I don't recall ever being given an opportunity to consent/not consent to the Constitution. Do you? » |
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As with any Corporation.
If you don't approve of their product, dump their stock. In this case, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Treasury Notes. However, if it goes bankrupt, they will just change the name, and continue to hold on to real assets, such as land, military equipment, ect...
What we need to do is take over the Corporation.
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That's what people are
That's what people are trying to do now "take over the corporation" by getting people elected to the corporation. How's it working? Any chance of control any time soon? Not likely!
What we need to do is expose the fraud so people will withdraw their power and substance from the fraudulent corporation. They run on the false belief of the people that they have some legitimacy despite thier dissatisfaction with them and the obvious corruption.
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How is people withdrawing in
How is people withdrawing in any significant number more likely than taking over the "corporation"? Neither are likely, but I can point to the number of Ron Paul Republicans running in 2010 and the success of H.R. 1207 as a positive step.
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Don't get me wrong...
but is the DOI even legally binding?
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Absolutely it is natural law
Absolutely it is natural law illustrated!
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No, but I wish it was...
Things would be a lot cleaner in government.
I don't recall anyone
I don't recall anyone consenting me on whether I wanted to work for a living or not.
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This is one heck of a
This is one heck of a thread!
You'd think the people here think they are smarter than James Madison.
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for James Madison.
Some are! Madison was a man
Some are! Madison was a man just like you and me not God.
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James Madison was not a God,
James Madison was not a God, he was a saint and a man without sin.
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for James Madison.
Yeah right and you know this
Yeah right and you know this how?
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The Founding Fathers have
The Founding Fathers have been deified.
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for James Madison.
If you truly want to be free
Go here and listen to the Denver Seminar and be prepared to invest about 18 hours of learning. What is the price of freedom? Be prepared to have your whole world shattered!
But remember the law is on our side!
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If you participate in the
If you participate in the Government then you are deemed to consent to such government. Do you Vote?
A good article on how the Government obtains your consent to be governed.
http://www.hisholychurch.info/study/gods/cog2lvl.php
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Corporate governance apparently does not
UNITED STATES is a Corporation - There are Two Constitutions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsMUpPgdT0
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Was it easier back then, then it is now?
Ever wonder why 'they' waited till now to usurp our Constitution and Declaration of Independence? I think there would have definitely been another revolution forty - fifty years ago. I believe there was a lot more integrity and morality back then.
http://www.best-otr.com/mp3/411215%20We%20Hold%20These%20Tru...
It was usurped long before 40
It was usurped long before 40 or 50 years ago. and the War of 1812 was all about it. We lost Britain won and have ruled us ever since people just don't know. It started in 1792.
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This is correct.
This happen shortly after we got rid of the 2nd national central bank.
The British burned as many constitutions as they can could find with the hidden 13th amendment.
It states:
The 13th Article of Amendment
to the original Constitution of the United States of America
“If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.”
The had this amendment silenced but it IS still enforced in the Republic, unfortunately 99% of the population still participate in the Democracy.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
The War of 1812, are you
The War of 1812, are you kidding me?
The War of 1812 was declared and fought under the rules of the US Constitution. James Madison observed all civil liberties, and did not make up any so-called "executive war powers". The war was also short and with very low casualties.
James Madison set a precedent that NEVER AGAIN would any president have an excuse to twist the Constitution during a war.
And as you know, liberty is always lost during war, not peacetime.
In regards to economics, the War of 1812 was responsible for great economic liberty, as it opened up the Mississippi river, the Great Lakes, the Atlantic ocean, and the West Indies to free trade.
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for James Madison.
We almost won, even.
Imagine North America now...
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Tough to say
One the one hand, statism weakens individuals (financially, mentally, physically, etc). So this 50 more years of statism hasn't helped in that respect.
But, we also have a mass communication device in the internet now.
Well, I just learned
we are not a country but a Corporation and it seems that is the case for a very long time. So, we have to start talking about business. Is the Constitution a business contract? Those people that are suppose to represent us, I have no clue what their real purpose is. I'm am pissed.
What is with all the game playing? We are nothing but movable dirt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpESn0mxSdk&feature=response_...
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Take a Good Look
At the preamble. The real founders were agents of the king and lawyers, so they understood the meanings of certain words, capitalization in reguards to legal issues. Look at how they capitalized the word "people". If you reference blacks law dictionary the word "people" is a ficticous enity.
Have you ever wondered why Ben Franklin made so many trips to England? Do you really think they were peace treaties? Ben Franklin also held title of "esquire". There were a few key players to the fiasco. They were the ones who prospered and owned hundreds of slaves. The rest were duped, those were the ones that lost it all. They got rid of them after they served they're purposes.
Look at how they worded the preamble. It was written for the CORPORATION. I would venture to say, they also had a pretty good grasp on contract law.
You don't apply force to a supposed freedom oriented document that establishes a newly "free" country.
Taxation was the first thing they wanted to establish! Article 1. It's right there.
They were liars. So of course history was written this way.
The constitution you are
The constitution you are refering to is not the original. You are right though the king had his agents in the mix from the begining. When Britain burned the Capital the original was taken and gone for ever. And that is when the one you describe began to come on the scene.
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Did the original include
Did the original include taxation? Just curious.
What will really burst your
What will really burst your bubble is finding out that not only were they British agents, but they were from Mars also. It's freaky man!! You're not even really reading this right now. There's an evil genius controlling you and your thoughts. Oh, no! You're an agent too! Oh, the humanity!
Crazed anarchist, meet
Crazed anarchist, meet crazed conspiricist LOL
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Well I don't consider the government a business
Why? Because it doesn't meet the definition of a business (business: organization that provides goods and/or services that individuals can purchase voluntarily).
The gov't that exists here does however meet the classical definition of the term government (government: an organization that rules the people within a specific geographic area by imposing taxes on them and by using brute force to require all individuals and organizations within its domain to obey its commands.)
Yes it does WE are the goods
Yes it does WE are the goods and services, cattle if you will, beasts of burden, or chattle property. They trade on our bonds based on our lives labors credit wealth property etc. and trade them on the open market. You have heard of the full faith and credit of the united states? Well thats you and me and everything we own and they have stolen it from us and live like kings off our backs. Trust me this rabbit hole goes much deeper then most can imagine!
I ordered my birth certificate recently and it came on bond paper with the fancy borders and says Midwest bank note in the left hand margin. Gee think there is something to it?
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I believe this to be true.
My reason being, many years ago I purchased stock outside my 401k. I had some extra cash, and had a hole burning my pocket. I recieved a letter from the stock company, I wasn't sure if I was suppossed to recieve that letter as it contained my "net worth" Listed right there in black and white.
I was shocked. Now wtf does that have to do with buying stock? hmmm.