Will someone please explain why it matters that the government is a corporation?

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If we were playing a game called "red ball" and it turned out the ball was blue, would the game change?
How does the knowledge that the government is a corporation (I guess those who are just figuring this out never read the little sign in town that says "Incorporated in ___") change anything? I'm really struggling with how anyone sees anything earth-shattering about this news and I can't figure out what you expect people to do with the information.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but we are in the middle of a war and we keep getting hit from left field with non-issues.

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I would like to see you become a delegate from your state to

Continental Congress 2009. You would have a golden opportunity to enlighten everyone there about how they are just wasting their time on such dribble. You could convince all participants in a day or two to just go home, saving them a lot of time and money. You'd be a real hero!

"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner

"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner

If we're in a war then when

If we're in a war then when does the fighting start because so far we have accomplished nothing!

Tell me what is the real issue Mike? If it's not that there is no government and that they are privately owned corporations posing as government deceiving and defrauding and the people of all thier wealth by fear intimidation and force of arms THEN WTF IS IT???

You keep brining this question up but you have not defined a real issue nor offered any alternative or solution? Do you want to continue to try and elect pretend candidates to a pretend government? What is it you want to do?

As soon as you answer these questions I will repost the reasons why it matters and what we need to do (since I have posted them several times already)

I will give you one more chance if you ignore my questions again and continue this line as if I never asked I will write you off as either just ignorant or as a misinformation troll becuase I don't have time for this crap any more.

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I want everyone to stop playing along with the corrupt system

I've actually thought a lot about this today while doing other things. I want everyone to stop playing along and quit doing the stuff the "leaders" expect.
I can't list the things on here to do but just stop doing them and they can't win. But everyone has to do it together. The whole system is a big scam, a giant lie. I got burned bad about 15 years ago on the whole soveriegnty deal so it always rubs a nerve. But lest I forget that the lie isn't common knowledge.
It does matter that the government's a corporation because it shows that there is an even higher power controlling our lives, commerce. And with commerce comes marketing and with marketing comes brain-washing. The lies perpepuate themselves and become accepted realities. Everyone buys into this bs because they believe in it. It's the world they've always known and it's all a big scam. Our money is pure fanatasy, our government is a giant accounting and killing machine, and our people are lambs begging for slaughter.
All the paperwork and court dates in the world won't set us free though. We need all the sheep to stop. Just stop.

Then we agree! The question

Then we agree! The question is how do we get them to stop? By exposing the big scam and that is what I am trying to do . So why do you keep acting like it doesn't matter? I am not asking everyone to notice and demand them they they are sovereign because I know few people have the balls to do it. I just want as many people as possible to know it is all scam and understand it enough that they may act to stop playing the game.

In the meantime those that want to be free can do so.

I got burned in the past also Mike. But some missing pieces have been filled in. It's not a silver bullet but it is better then anything else at the moment which is being subject to them slapping you around any time they feel like it because you didn't wear your seatbelt or have the wrong plant growing in your yard, or did not pay the highwaymen his tribute to travel on the public highway etc. etc.

If you have a better idea for getting the people to just stop I am all ears!

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It's the ideas part I'm short on, Hawkie

I've been trying to expose the scam on different levels for so long and nothing ever works to get through to people. I've always found that this way winds up really hurting people and taking away the basic comforts they deserve. It can also lose you friends if they screw it up.
With that said. I don't try to stop anyone, I really just want them to think of the very real consequences of choosing that path. And, there is a whole bundle of total bullshit packaged in every self-freedom program I've ever seen--and I've seen a lot (remember Johnny Liberty? he's a tool. but anyway. . .)
But if you read between the lines the answer is obvious. Start a corporation. It costs like $50 and you're in. Then you are truly on equal ground. Your natural man and your stawman get left alone if you work it out just right.

I am not asking people to go

I am not asking people to go the sovereignty route. I just want to expose the fraud. I have been at this for over 20 years also. But now is the time people are hurting and looking for solutions. Proving to them thier government is a fraud could turn the tide. Those that want to dig deeper can but we just need enough people to know it's all a fraud and then they are more likely to just stop playing the game then all the paperwork won't be necassary anymore.

By the way in the past patriots tried to kill the fiction/straw man that was a mistake. He is your vehicle in commerce you just have to take control of it. Otherwise they use it and your credit to create money and they have stolen our wealth using it. We shouldn't let the mistakes of the past stifle the future

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Knowing there is no silver bullet,

then the Creditors In Commerce site, (with free audio of all their weekly meetings) is worth investigating. Instead of being forceful or argumentative and destroying documents, they talk about how one can use his birth certificate and other fictioning documents to significant commercial advantage.

The 14th amendment...

gives corporations the same rights as people (or alternately makes people into corporations). No business has the natural rights endowed to humans by their creator. We can only USE our rights, not transfer them. The government is intended to be a rung lower that the people, a positive tool within the functioning of society, not a tool ruling society. If the government is a corporation it has equal footing as the citizens of the nation and therefore the balance of power is disturbed and government has legitimate means to violate its constitutional confinement. Along with the FED, the 14th amendment needs to be repealled as well.

Assert Your Authority

Assert Your Authority

Great Question

I don't think what type of entity it is matters at all, does it change the way things are done? Does it change how we feel? Does it change the way we get things done in this country?

We need to focus, I just put that DnB thread on blast. Waste of time and energy, thanks for the refocus Mike.

sure

Microsoft is a corporation. Apple is a corporation. They have no authority over us except to the degree to which we contract with them.

As an example, the social security system is completely legal, a foreign corporation, and completely voluntary. Must of us have signed up with them, and then after we figure out it is a rip-off, we protest it. But we signed the contract, and in this case we are the trustee.

So instead of protesting this foreign owned corporation, we need to understand our relationship with them, and when possible, sort of have nothing to do with them.

Also, understand how we contract with them (voting registration, mail, IRS forms, etc). Others have mentioned several legal sites, I study at teamlaw, but we have to be smart to take our country back.

Micosoft and Apple ARE

Micosoft and Apple ARE corporations, and it is true they have no Authority over you. BUT, the Government has Authority over Microsoft and Apple. These corporations, INCORPORATED.

Incorporate: 1 a : to unite or work into something already existent so as to form an indistinguishable whole b : to blend or combine thoroughly
2 a : to form into a legal corporation b : to admit to membership in a corporate body

These Corporations incorporated WITH the State. They united with THE STATE, they blended, combined with, they formed LEGAL Corporations with the State. As such, they put themselves UNDER AUTHORITY of the State, and they became a PART of the State. The State in turn is Incorporated with the Federal Government. It is through this chain of incorporations that the Federal Government, the States, the Commercial Corporations, they are all ONE. They have all joined together to form an indistinguishable whole, they have blended and combined thoroughly.

The Corporations MUST follow the Codes and regulations of the Parent Corporations. The Federal Government has the Superior position in all this "family tree" of incorporation. This is to say, the Federal Government is the Father in this Family Tree.

There is also another form of Incorporation, the joining together of 2 or more to form a whole. This is the Family. The Father is the superior postition in the Family, IF the Father is not himself incorporated himself under some other superior Authority.

We MUST know WHO we are. Are we "Man" or are we "Person"?
Man has superior Authority over his Family, his Corporation (not a legal corporation). A male Person has a secondary postion under a Superior Authority, and an inferior position over his Family, his Corporation (a legal corporation).

“This word ‘person’ and its scope and bearing in the law, involving, as it does, legal fictions and also apparently natural beings, it is difficult to understand; but it is absolutely necessary to grasp, at whatever cost, a true and proper understanding of the word in all the phases of its proper use… The words persona and personae did not have the meaning in the Roman which attaches to homo, the individual, or a man in the English; it had peculiar references to artificial beings, and the condition or status of individuals… A person is here not a physical or individual person, but the status or condition with which he is invested… not an individual or physical person, but the status, condition or character borne by physical persons… The law of persons is the law of status or condition.”

“A moment's reflection enables one to see that man and person cannot be synonymous, for there cannot be an artificial man, though there are artificial persons. Thus the conclusion is easily reached that the law itself often creates an entity or a being which is called a person; the law cannot create an artificial man, but it can and frequently does invest him with artificial attributes; this is his personality… that is to say, the man-person; and abstract persons, which are fiction and which have no existence except in law; that is to say, those which are purely legal conceptions or creations.”

(American Law and Procedure, Vol 13 pages 137-62 1910.)

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I see where you are coming from. However, when you say

"The Father is the superior position in the Family" you are promoting a lie from the old dead school. All truly great societies uphold the equality of men, women and children. This is spiritual law. Their roles are different of course, but not mutual respect for one another. As far as 'there cannot be an artificial man' I say yes when referring to one who is cloned and without a soul.

"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner

"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner

You misunderstand the

You misunderstand the Ancient meaning of what Fatherhood is. And society WANTS you to misunderstand it. It comes down to pretecting the family from Tyranny. If the Father of the Family is a Freeman, then the Wife and the Children share the Father's status and are EQUALLY free. But when the father is bonded, and the Government or other Authority is the superior position of Authority, like wise the Wife and children are bonded under that same superior Authority. Only by studying ancient meanings of Father does it become obvious why Men who desire Authority also desire the destruction of the Family, and particularly the destruction of the Father of the Family.

A good article to about the meaning of Fatherhood:
"Call no Man Father"
http://www.hisholychurch.net/sermon/fatherabba.php

"Some might think it oppressive that a patriarch would have such power and authority within his given family, but is it any more desirable to be oppressed by tribal or national groups? Governments that eat out the substance of men in peace and march millions of minions to murderous deaths in war cannot be a superior or benevolent master to that of our natural parents."

The Mother IS equal to the Father,
"The family was and is a political unit. Within the manu of the family
neither the Wife nor the Husband could sue each other for they are
counted as one person, one body.
“Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave
unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.” (Genesis 2:24)"

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how to look this up

Months ago on another thread was the claim that a book in the library that contains all corporations has the city and state corporations. I went to the library and looked at the huge two-volume books and couldn't find any cities/towns/states.

I want to verify these claims. Please tell me specifically how to look up some of the cities and states.

Thank you.

This may be a start

I don't know about "the book," [I would like to know the title], but here is a Wikipedia article that references the incorporation of towns and cities [the same would be true for states, I imagine] and it is all about . . . fanfare, please: Taxes!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unincorporated_area

I can recall my parents and their neighbors working and voting against being incorporated into the city as opposed to remaining a community in the county. And it was all about: taxes!

As Mike Lawson pointed out, look at the signs heralding your entrance to a city or town; most times it will say "Incorporated in 18xx."

Yes, I think it makes

a difference. If we are not a country then let's say it not call it a country. I posted this morning asking questions.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/102763

If we are not a country but a corporation then WE need to THINK as business people not citizens. It seems those who run the show certainly think in terms of business and not citizenship.

I approach business much differently than I would approach citizenship. They know this that is why they have to use double speak. Ask a hundred people do you want to live in a country or a corporation, I would like to know what answer you get the most. Do our servicemen die for country or corporation. What is all that crap about dying for our freedoms, no you are dying to make money for the banksters who own you. Wow, I want to sign up to die for a corporation.

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