rhino: A law that costs nothing
I am completely flabbergasted. Why can we not simply tell congress to go ahead and pass whatever law they want? They are our Representatives in this Republic. And the voting public will hold them accountable.
JUST CHANGE THE WORDS and don't spend any money. Let the market decide where it wants to spend money.
Is that not the definition of law, “Words that can be enforced by government”?
Why does it have to cost anything?
Forget about appropriations.
Forget about spending money.
If they want to change the law, just change the words and not attach any expenditure to it.
Now that would be a check and balance.
Special interests come into play because they want a piece of the pie. Just throw the pie in the garbage and the special interests will look elsewhere for their desert.
What say you?
I confess I do not entirely
I confess I do not entirely understand your point...but maybe I am just being a bit obtuse this afternoon. But I have a suggestion that also would greatly reduce the money and time Congress is wasting with legislation. Pass HR 450, the Enumerated Powers Act. Then Congress would have to find Constitutional justification for the legislation they propose. Think of all the unneccessary legislation that would have to find a home in the trash heap it deserves.
Hmm, crazy idea...our Reps and Senators could spend a little more quality time at town hall meetings. God forbid they should try to build a little rapport with their constituents...
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.
Don't feel bad, I am bad about ....
codifying how I feel and really it didn't dawn on me until recently.
Look at it this way.
Why does law have to cost money?
The answer is, it shouldn't, unless you want to perform a quid pro quo.
If they want to change the law, then fine, change it, just don't include any tax money in the bill, period.
It makes perfect since.
Why should adding words or subtracting words from the law cost money?
The answer is, it shouldn't, unless there are alterior motives.
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It's circular
I think.
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OK, now I understand this.
OK, now I understand this. I don't have a lot of experience with this on the federal level, but in my state (and I have seen it in others) a bill is released, then there is a study (called a "fiscal impact report" in some states) that outlines the potential cost of the legislation. I have not seen a piece of legislation that also includes a section on funding...though perhaps this exists on the federal level. (Someone with more knowledge help out here?) I am making an intelligent guess, but I believe that a particular bill often does not include the funding within its own language, but if passed is eventually funded using an appropriations bill...those huge, bloated Leviathan-like pieces of legislation that hardly anyone reads. If I am understanding you correctly, then, what you really would like to see is the amount of money for the proposed legislation to be given up front, and, therefore, decisions on funding would influence how legislators would vote for the bill.
BTW the only reason I know about these fiscal impact reports is because of all the research I have done on fusion center legislation. These reports do not only give info on the potential cost of a bill, but also often give substantive information about which state agencies support or do not support the legislation. These boring documents are often the "smoking gun" which shows why a piece of legislation might not eventually pass.
It's easier to show rather than to tell, if anyone's interested. Here's the fiscal impact report for a NM piece of fusion center legislation. The bill was completely trashed by the Administrative Office of the District Attorneys:
http://www.nmlegis.gov/Sessions/09%20Regular/firs/HB0431.pdf
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.
Perhaps refering to "pork" and situations where 80% of costs
are administrative.
Not only do I agree with , but feel that we are not in debt to anyone. We have been victims of massive manipulation with tyrannical purpose.
We are not responsible for, nor is our American resources hostage for what these sycophant totalitarian fatalist.
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
amica jeffersoni
I'm glad you mentioned http://www.DownsizeDC.org H.R 450 "The Enumerated Powers Act" and it's companion bill S.1319 . I'v been hounding my Rep's for a year to co-sponsor this, and Yesterday my Senator Rodger Wicker co-sponsor'd . This just goes to show you NEVER GIVE UP.
Too many politicians are in
Too many politicians are in the business of lining their own pockets and the pockets of their friends & families. It would be nice if we could do this, but would likely have a great deal of opposition. Every single new program brings with it new money for them to pick and choose who it goes to...
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