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**MUST Listen: How to Prepare for a POSSIBLE Coming Collapse of the Dollar, a Russian Emigre's Perspective.

Dmitry Orlov, an engineer by trade, is one of the few geopolitical analysts who has a first hand knowledge of what happens when a modern empire suddenly collapses.

I recommend Mr.Orlov's insights as just one set of possible scenarios of what we may, or may not, also face, here in America. While some of his assessments are a bit doom and gloom, he seeks to offer possible SOLUTIONS, not just merely identify problems. One can only benefit from considering all possibilities. I hope you guys find it useful, and make use of the info, however you can.

The following is Dmitry's latest book illustrating the similarities of the existent conditions in America, for such possible eventuality, as experienced in USSR, in the early 1990's: "Re-Inventing Collapse: The Soviet Example and American Prospects"

Here is a most recent interview with Orlov, as conducted by the awesome, NON-oBUSHmaBot, anti-war, anti-empire, ANTI-CruiseMissileLiberal, Bonnie Faulker, of Pacifica Radio's Guns and Butter, August 5th, 2009:



G&B's own Descriptions:

Guns and Butter - "The Collapse Gap"

"The Collapse Gap" with Dmitry Orlov, author of "Reinventing Collapse - The Soviet Example and American Prospects". Dmitry Orlov's repeated travels to Russia throughout the early nineties allowed him to observe the aftermath of the Soviet collapse first-hand. Being both a Russian and an American, Dmitry was able to appreciate both the differences and the similarities between the two superpowers. Eventually he came to the conclusion that the United States is going the way of the Soviet Union. His emphasis is on all the things that can still be made to work, and he advocates simply ignoring all that will fall by the wayside.


Amazon.com Description:


Product Description

The title of this book is Reinventing Collapse, and I have to say that's exactly what this book manages to do. It's a short book, so you could read it in just a few hours, but it is packed with information and "make you think" moments. Orlov's unique perpective on American life engages the reader and opens your eyes to what life in America is like to an outsider.

Without a doubt the most useful aspect of this book are the details of what the situation was like in Russia after their political collapse. This book is a tutorial on how the reader might modify their life in the future if (or when) America collapses.

Reviewed by Matt Mayer - Groovy Green

In the waning days of the American empire, we find ourselves mired in political crisis, with our foreign policy coming under sharp criticism and our economy in steep decline. These trends mirror the experience of the Soviet Union in the early 1980s. Reinventing Collapse examines the circumstances of the demise of the Soviet superpower and offers clear insights into how we might prepare for coming events.

Rather than focusing on doom and gloom, Reinventing Collapse suggests that there is room for optimism if we focus our efforts on personal and cultural transformation. With characteristic dry humor, Dmitry Orlov identifies three progressive stages of response to the looming crisis:

* Mitigation—alleviating the impact of the coming upheaval
* Adaptation—adjusting to the reality of changed conditions
* Opportunity—flourishing after the collapse

He argues that by examining maladaptive parts of our common cultural baggage, we can survive, thrive, and discover more meaningful and fulfilling lives, in spite of steadily deteriorating circumstances.

This challenging yet inspiring work is a must-read for anyone concerned about energy, geopolitics, international relations, and life in a post-Peak Oil world.

Dmitry Orlov was born in Leningrad and immigrated to the United States at the age of twelve. He was an eyewitness to the Soviet collapse over several extended visits to his Russian homeland between the late eighties and mid-nineties. He is an engineer and a leading Peak Oil theorist whose writing is featured on such sites as www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net and www.powerswitch.org.uk.

About the Author
Dmitry Orlov was born in Leningrad and immigrated to the United States at the age of 12. He was an eyewitness to the Soviet collapse over several extended visits to his Russian homeland between the late eighties and mid-nineties. He is an engineer with a BS in Computer Engineering and an MA in Applied Linguistics.


[My Two Cents:]

While I personally disagree with Orlov's assessment (along with his views on Peak Oil), as to the extent to which America may or may not fall, if and when the sequence of events he describes does occur, following the collapse of the dollar, nevertheless, I find all of his points to be pertinent, and worthy of consideration.

Actually, the above Pacifica interview, along with Aug 12,2009 Alex Jones interview with Steve Quayle, were one of the more alarming ones in recent memory. Don't know when or how, but the "out there" part of my noggins palpitates and tend to posit AJ & Quayle's assertions that that these NWO occultists driven by bastardized gnosis of numerology, among other things, indeed, maybe looking to falseflag the Flu situation either into a "soft"-beta test to gauge the public's reaction to forced compliance of whatever these degenerates plan on cookingup, or expand that beta-test into something more "hard." Of course, this is mere speculation, so treat it as such. However, if they do try something, soon, these two are the dates to keep an eye on:

1. On, or around the "anniversary" of 9/11 (of course, it's an obvious date)

2. October 13th, 2009 "1013" is THE 13th that the Knights Templar, the progenitors to the FreeMasonry, were purged. Check out the titling for the production company of X-Files executive producer, Chris Carter's company's logo "1013."

So those of you who care to be aware of this type of info, just keep an open mind about those two dates. If not, just toss it in the "entertaining info" box.

Enjoy the Interview, my fellow DP'ers!

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Buh rump-

pety Bump


bumpety bump

How can you save that clip?

Any tecchies awake @ midnight PDT?

Not a techie, but a wee helpful right mouse...

button click on this link: http://aud1.kpfa.org/data/20090805-Wed1300.mp3

1. and it'll give you the "Save As" option.

2. Or you can copy that link, then paste open that address in your FireFox, and simply listen to it on your browser,

3. Or, if you have a Mac, copy the link, then open up your download box in your Safari, click once within the empty space within the middle of the box hover your cursor over it, then Command+V to paste the address within the box. It should start down loading it.

4. Or, if you visit the KPFA website link I listed above, there should be a "DownLoad" button around the top left-ish part of the page.

Yup, the muted colors kinda makes it easy to overlook it.


Dmitry Orlov

has a unique perspective that people should pay attention to. Russians were psychologically more prepared for collapse since their society functioned very bady at the best of times. Michael Hudson (who is also regularly featured on Guns and Butter) has made comparisons between Bernanke's policies and that of Boris Yeltsin.

Ohhh, I think I have that interview in my archives somewhere...

thank you for the heads up. Do you recall when that interview was dated?

Also I found a RidleyReport interview on YouTube of a Polish emigre Free Stater who lived in Communist Poland. I loved his insight; especially the part that he said how the black market during the commie era were essentially their "freemarket" and how unlike the monopolies of today, those "vendors" actually really served their customers by offering goods and services people really wanted and needed. Hey, supply and demand, without manipulation. Also how the black economy, once the commie system fell, smoothly transitioned to legitimate businesses. He also stated that people in East Bloc got so adept at bartering it was easy for them to live through scarcity, unlike what we as Americans would face. Though, we are an entrepreneurial bunch, it's not like people dream about becoming hustlers when they were born, but kids and destitute adapt, and I see but a few months worth of adaptation pains. The network of trade routes would be established by those who are used to interstate commerce, truckers, even smugglers, etc.

Though, I may add that in nations like Poland which doesn't have the vast natural resources that are existent in countries like China, and Russia, I can fairly, confidently posit that they didn't have former State Run Factory management making ties with foreign investors and the mob to sell off Stat assets for huge profit, once the Wall fell. Russia has every natural resource you can think of, thus the rise of Rothschilds backed Oligarchs. Though say what one may of Putin, he did kick the NWO bastards OUT. But then again, who can really tell the intricacies of their internal politics, until something goes wrong and we get to catch the aftermath.

We do have the heritage of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. We all know that people fall back to what they know in dire times. It is just my hope that people remember enough about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to salvage it, and turn "back to it." If something this extreme and dire does cascade, I pray many Ron Paul Constitutionalist take LEAD in restoring preservation of our NATURAL RIGHTS.

How many pissed-off people are the cia bringing to dc on 9-12?

I heard a million. Who are they trying to blame for all that's to come?

You think perhaps...

it might be some City Year, or ACORN or their favorite provocateur contingent the "anarchists" mixed up with black ops?

Wonder how many members City Year actually has.. 1 mil... is there any place we can verify that number? Perhaps Quayle's intel?

City Year and ACORN are positioned to be the heros in this movie

They're going to blame the patriots for something.
Why not check city year's website for membership numbers? Steve Quayle has no intel. He has rumours. He always has rumours.

No, why don't you check on those numbers?

I kid. No, I was referring to their total network, including total "alumni" numbers, not just what their registration number was showing, I did check before my previous post. Their listed registered alumni numbers are sub-5000.

While I respect Quayle, his "Giants" research tend to be out there, which I posit along with Sitchen's, though Michael Cremo's is much more solid. But he's been pretty accurate on tracking murdered microbiologists. And so you believe Quayle's intel is "intel?" Why do you believe so?

And by the way, where are you getting your CIA's "million" info from?

do you know anything about

do you know anything about the giants? next, are you a christian?

A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.

do YOU know anything about giants? next, are YOU a christian??

YOU first.

Okay, granted, your inquiry is kinda related to my Quayle quip, but odd series of question, nonetheless. Please clarify your point and intent.

Caveat Emptor:

If you're coming off your recent "WitchCraft" thread, line of comments, if you're really serious and sincere, I'm gonna ask you to do a wee bit of research, observe the way I write, and read some of my past posts, if not, peruse, at the least. Then, see IF you still want to dance. Amerianna knows all too well how my steps flow.

Until then, I bid you adieu, my fellow DP'er.

I read your responses to the girl who lives under a bridge...

Excellent prose. You are my new, apparently like-minded, DP hero. You really read that freakin' bill? I fell so inadequate...

"...there is no doubt that it (socialism) could not possibly have affected us so widely and so deeply as it has, had it not been heavily financed". - B. Carroll Reece

"...there is no doubt that it (socialism) could not possibly have affected us so widely and so deeply as it has, had it not been heavily financed". - B. Carroll Reece

Too kind of you melgesman,

Prose, oh no sir, but a primrose, though oft close 'o)

The thing is, I have NO ill will towards amerianna, whom I assume to be the said lass in discussion, or anything against her. Been watching her comments from get go. It was obvious. Just hoped she'll stick around long enough to have some of our ideas rub off on her, or at least deeply reconsider; she does agree with HR1207, a step in more sensible direction.

I do, however, contend that most well meaning liberals and progressives have hard time re-considering why it is wrong to use the power and force of gvt to achieve, what is in their own entrenched minds is a "good thing." As if to say, we're pacifists, but as long as armed people whom we can order around, do our bidding, civil rights be damned! SWAT or lawsuit, seems the only two mechanisms gvt is capable of using, domestically. As Dr.Paul Craig Roberts have appropriately titled his book, "Tyranny of Good Intentions," perhaps best describes this sentiment.

Not to mention, most well-meaning "liberals/progressives" never read, or comprehend, the damn thing that actually want to talk about.

Still, I have hope that someday, she would have a liberty catharsis; once her pocketbook begins to hurt and bank holiday, which may or may not come about, hopefully she'll do herself a favor and research info and ideas freely exchanged on DP, which she obviously spends some time diatribing on.

Though, irony of ironies, the so called self-professed "intellectually enlightened liberals," often are worse than the brainwashed neoCON-led your average dittohead-Repugnants. The "typical" GOP-"conservative," though a misnomer, but for the sake of argument, their reality is one of imposed repetition. But, once confronted on personal level and a conversation is had, I actually found them to be far more sensible, as there's a deep "leave me alone" sentiment lingering somewhere latent; they know instinctively when someone is trying to tell them what to do. Though their toughguy/gal bravado facade which manifests in support for torture and war, does take a little more work.

But, the "liberals" are soooo entrenched in their view that they're morally in the right that no matter how they get there, they don't seem to care. Plus, they never understand economics, which frustrates us to no end.

However, I cannot say I dislike her, just her ideas. As well as, despite the fact that they're all war criminals and must be punished, I have no ill will toward oBUSHma, or Dubya, as most of us here understand that they're, at the end of the day, just puppets, and sycophantic minion turds. In the past, often, they have invoked a primal male response, when one finds out what they do and have done against the weak, the meek, the innocent. But, as the old saying goes, there's only so much hate one can feel, before one becomes the thing that he once hated. Hopefully, I've gone beyond that and learned to focus that hate, anger, and fear energy else where, say... communicating best of my abilities, liberty and freedom principles to those I come across, on or offline, along with promoting HR1207/S604, pointing out flaws, such as HR3200, and reality surrounding the entire fallacy of a legislation process in which practically no one except the Good Doc, write their own bills.

But, as a reluctant romantic, I have high hopes, despite what the powers that be have in mind. There are SO MANY MORE of us. We just need to embrace that. And, to a certain extent, I have found that appealing to the latent "leave me alone" sentiment residing in practically everyone, is the most successful method, in beginning to open up their minds, and who knows, once they realize that there are others like them, their heart, which often needs someone to miss them to feel needed to feel legitimated, may follow, too.

-Cheers, mate.

If you enjoyed Dmitry Orlov

You may also enjoy this, from an article by Charles Eisenstein. It's a bit more new agey, a bit more positive than Orlov. This may be of help for liberals to see through big government propaganda.
Or you can read it here: http://www.realitysandwich.com/money_and_turning_age

Glen Beck is CIA. He's promoting a huge march on DC 9-12

It's called the "9-12 movement"
I heard they want to get a million patriots to DC for a march. Marches are useless and can be used as sparks for violence. In fact, they most often are.
Tracking murdered microbiologists is pretty much as easy as setting a rss feed and waiting. Never ever ever ever believe, "I heard from a credible source". It's always BS. If it's not, it will come out or they can produce credible documentation to back their claims.
I do NOT believe Quayle's intel is "intel" at all. I think it's teenagers and the unemployed trying to out-sensationalize each other.

Must be true,

if you say so.