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Save Yourselves, Take the Vaccine.

If the government wanted to control the population, and get rid of old people, and anti-government patriots, then it would unleash a genetically engineered disease that would kill all those who either refused to take the vaccine, or were too old to merit taking the vaccine.


The government has said that pregnant women, and children up to 18 years of age are at risk.

Well, if I was an evil government insider and wanted to squash the dissenters and liabilities of the old people, I would vaccinate the young against the genetically engineered monster that I was about to unleash.

All the people with courage, who refused to be vaccinated would die, along with the old people who would cost too much money in medical bills to sustain.

I have always heard that the very young or the very old were at risk from the flu. Why is the government saying that 18-24 yr olds are more susceptible?

This is just a mental exercise to expect the unexpected.

They know we despise the rampant use of vaccines, and they want to minimize the cost of the Obama Health Plan.

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Parents are worried about the swine flu vaccine (U.K.)


You know, it's sad that we have to get news out of England regarding this issue.

You would almost never see an article like this in the United States:

Parents are worried about the swine flu vaccine - -

Parents are confused and concerned about the swine flu vaccine due to be introduced in October.



Parents talking on the internet forums have expressed some concern about the H1N1 vaccine that will be offered to children and adults with underlying health conditions and pregnant women as priorities.

Fears raised include its safety for pregnant women, whether the vaccine has been tested enough and the fact one of them contains a controversial mercury preservative.

One mum posted: "Absolutely no way would I allow my son to be vaccinated, he's not a guinea pig."

Justine Roberts, Co-founder of mumsnet.com said: "Lots of mums on Mumsnet are questioning whether giving the swine flu vaccine to their children is a good idea. Some are worried about how well it's been tested, others about it's effectiveness and side effects."

The GlaxoSmithKline vaccine contains thiomersal which was linked to neurological disorders....

Its use was phased out of most vaccines, however it is being used in the GSK vaccine to make it last longer and avoid wastage.

A spokesman for GlaxoSmithKline said: "The World Health Organisation has recommended that for vaccines which come in multidose vials, manufacturers use a preservative to enable doctors to withdraw several doses from the same vial.

"There have been many studies conducted over decades of research which suggest that thiomersal has a good safety profile and is well tolerated. It is essential that a preservative is used in vaccines such as this to avoid wastage."

He said there was no alternative to thiomersal as a preservative for vaccines of this kind.





They need the labor of the

They need the labor of the youth for the future enterprise.
naughty, naught

Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists in U.K.


Mainstream news out of the U.K. -

Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists over 25 deaths in America in 1976


A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.

The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.

It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.
GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal.

The letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, is the first sign that there is concern at the highest levels that the vaccine itself could cause serious complications.
It refers to the use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976 when:

* More people died from the vaccination than from swine flu.

* 500 cases of GBS were detected.

* The vaccine may have increased the risk of contracting GBS by eight times.

* The vaccine was withdrawn after just ten weeks when the link with GBS became clear.

* The US Government was forced to pay out millions of dollars to those affected.

Concerns have already been raised that the new vaccine has not been sufficiently tested and that the effects, especially on children, are unknown.

It is being developed by pharmaceutical companies and will be given to about 13million people during the first wave of immunisation, expected to start in October.

The British Neurological Surveillance Unit (BNSU), part of the British Association of Neurologists, has been asked to monitor closely any cases of GBS as the vaccine is rolled out.

One senior neurologist said last night: ‘I would not have the swine
flu jab because of the GBS risk.’

There are concerns that there could be a repeat of what became known as the ‘1976 debacle’ in the US, where a swine flu vaccine killed 25 people – more than the virus itself.





Do not get the vaccine.

ALL vaccines are full of toxins and do more harm than good. Colloidal / hydrosol silver solutions, grapefruit seed extract, Sambucol, vitamin D3 supplementation in the range of 4,000+ IUs a day (or 15-30 minutes of sunlight exposure to the skin during a summer or early fall day), iodine - these are just a few of the proper preparations to take that will prevent against any virus. Also, extra virgin coconut oil is a strong anti-fungal / anti-viral. There is much good information out there about protecting yourself, but please do NOT get the vaccine. I think the vaccine will be what triggers a massive outbreak and what will be responsible for the most deaths.

It doesn't matter

if it's the flu, the vaccine to prevent the flu, or a gunfight at the front door. We're all gonna die eventually, it's just a matter of how and when. The details don't matter so much to me. I just want to live and die, to the greatest possible extent, on my own moral terms.


They are dangerous.


Everyone has THE answer,

but almost all the answers are different, and conflicting answers cannot all be right.

Obviously, many people are going to suffer the consequences of following the WRONG advice.

Time will tell who it is that deals with this situation appropriately.

To the others ... too bad, so sad.

I know what I'm going to do, but I'm not going to get in any pissing contests with anyone who has a differing opinion.

Flu targeting the young

Stay infomed, learn from history and do not make decisions on speculation .

The so-called Spanish Flu of 1918 targeted the young rather than the infants and the weak elderly. It ( not voluntary peace initiaitves) forced the end of WW I. More soldiers died of that flu from 1917-1918 then the entire warfare from 1914-1918. It was THAT fatal among the young and middle aged.

The 1918 influenza stands out,in a number of ways, against all other recorded influenza pandemics:

1 While influenza typically takes its victims due to poor auto immune response, the 1918 influenza attacked the healthy ( explained later )

2. It came in 3 waves - the second wave having the worst fatality numbers.

3. The infection attacked deep inside the lungs unlike seasonal influenza.

4. The young and strong fell ill quickly and died within 2-3 days due to a condition known as a Cytokine Storm which is only possible with a strong auto immune response. So fast did this occur that doctors, at that time, described patients turning blue before the onset of death.- their lungs could not transfer oxygen to the body.

5. The 1918 influenza's first wave spread during the late spring- typically not seen in seasonal influenza.

6. The 1918 influenza's first wave was so mild that many doctors did not diagnois it correctly - assumming it to be the common cold.

7. The spread of the 1918 virus was impressive with 1/3 of the world's population catching the bug and, of them, 2-3% on avg died - with the young and strong over represented in the fatalities. Some remote populations experienced very high percentage of fatalities commonly thought as due to the lack of human H1N1 exposure in the past.

** Ancedote: My grandmother was a child during the 1918 Spanish Influenza attack. She lived in one of the hardest hit cities in Amercia - Philadelphia. She recalled being barred from going outside for many weeks. She would watch through her window to see the dead being propped up on the front porches of the row homes; sometimnes sitting upright in chairs!. She recalls seeing the horse drawn wagons comin down the street with a few men wearing masks. They would stack up the dead on the cart and take the bodies away, She said there were no funerals... for mass graves were dug outside the city limits to dump the bodies into.

Now some similarities between today's bug and 1918:

Today's H1N1 virus is non-seasonal .

It manifested itself in mid April

The first wave propagated fast, spreading around the world faster then any flu previously recorded; yet it too was amazingly mild for influenza.

Of those few that died of the mild 1st wave, the young and strong are over-represented in the fatalities. Deep lung damage is also evident.

Argentina/ Brazil are now entering their peak flu season and the deaths among the young have shot up drastically. Australia has some ominous cases as well...people turning blue before death.

The virus is morphing quickly. Any vaccine will very likely be "behind the curve" to defend against it.

The 2009 H1N1 has already took on resistance of Tamiflu due to its adaptation with seasonal H1N1.

Be aware that this years influenza attack is looking like a repeat of 1918 or even worse. Viralogists are tracking its genetic morphing to try to gage just how bad it may be,. Sme expect that the next wave won't wait til Nov-Feb but hit us in Sept - like the 1918.

See http://www.recombinomics.com/whats_new.html for more info. The doctor has the credentials to make this year's virus something to be wary of ... though the government would like to see a panic so it could really grab some power...so stay informed.

Also, if it happens....the hit to the economy will be devasating and the dollar may lose its floor sonner then it would otherwise. That is a different story though.

18 to 30 yrs old are more likely to have a cytokine storm

which is what causes the complications and tamiflu... are not helpful in counteracting a potentially deadly cytokine storm.

"Acute respiratory viral infection (especially from the H5N1 subtype influenza virus) results in a cytokine storm effecting the lungs, and subsequent damage to alveoli and lung tissue results in the lethality seen in more severe flu viral infections, especially those fatalities among young healthy adults. "

http://www.cytokinestorm.com/ (explains what one is)

this article is on natural ways to avoid or lessen a cytokine storm


and another stating what is good and bad if you get the flu.


The teen-mid 20 age group

The teen-mid 20 age group has the strongest immune system of al the age demographics, and that fact is exactly why it's the most vulnerable. Since the H1N1 antigen has never been experienced by the human body it goes ballistic with mucous production in an attempt to rid itseld of the mysterious invader. Thus a person essentially drowns himself.

"Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies."
Thomas Jefferson, 1799

"Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies."
Thomas Jefferson, 1799

Personally, I feel I don't

Personally, I feel I don't need a vaccine to beat a flu virus, even a stronger than usual flu virus. And, from what I read, just boosting immunity to protect yourself from the flu is not enough. I personally would take natural anti-virals and anti-bacterials too. Click these links to find out why



This reminds of a scene in the Princess Bride...

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville


"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"

"The belief is worthless if the fear of social and physical punishment overrides the belief."

"Why is the government

"Why is the government saying that 18-24 yr olds are more susceptible?"

18-24 year olds are at the prime age to protest.

Most protesters are between the ages of 18-24... I think they want to sicken those who they are most afraid of.

They don't want the youth to uprise.

I have a very bad feeling about the vaccine. I don't think anything good will come from it.

The so-called "Spanish" Flu targeted the same age group


I wouldn't doubt it if Taubenberger's resurrected version of the 1918 epidemic is in this "swine" shot.

They don't dig-up these bodies from the perma-frost of victims of the Spanish Flu for no good reason.

Those reasons don't benefit us.

Why would anyone want to play roulette with known eugenicists and population-control fanatics? THEY are the ones who have control of this technology - not Jesus or Allah.





No thanks I'd rather take a dirt nap!

There is no trust left and I'd rather just move on to the next merry go round than take any vaccine.

"Hell is truth seen too late...duty neglected in its season."- Tryon Edwards

"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."

"Dirt Nap"

One of my favorite sayings. I am with you truth. Let's get it over with, one way or the other.


Anything is possible.....but take a look at some "history"...

of what out govt and the medical establishment has done over the years:

"Hall of Shame: A Selective Chronology of Medicine"


A long disgusting read but interesting in a "train wreck" kinda way....google ANY of these claims and you will find other info to corroborate them!

"I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children can live in peace".
Thomas Paine

"We need to attract people who create more light, than heat" (Fortune cookie-8/14/2001)

Some quotes on vaccines.

"Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine."

"Official data shows that large scale vaccination has failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection" - Dr. Sabin, developer of Polio vaccine.

"Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin Polio Vaccines, being made from monkey kidney tissue, has been directly responsible for the major increase in leukaemia in this country." - Dr F. Klenner, M.D.

"Provocation polio. That is the truth about those outbreaks of polio. And I offer a well considered personal opinion that polio is a man made disease." -Viera Scheibner, Ph.D.

"Poliomyelitis trends in Pondicherry, south India, 1989-91" (Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health [London], vol. 51, no. 4, August 1997, pages 443-48): About 54 percent of children lamed as a result of poliomyelitis had received three doses of oral polio vaccine before the onset of paralysis.


"My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the United States each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given children. The pertussis vaccine is the most likely villain, but it could also be one or more of the others." --Dr. Mendelsohn, M.D.

"The evidence for indicting immunisations for SIDS is circumstantial, but compelling. However, the keepers of the keys to medical-research funds are not interested in researching this very important lead to the cause of an ongoing, and possibly preventable, tragedy. Anything that implies that immunisations are not the greatest medical advance in the history of public health is ignored or ridiculed. Can you imagine the economic and political import of discovering that immunisations are killing thousands of babies?" --Dr. Douglass M.D.

"Only after realising that routine immunisations were dangerous did I achieve a substantial drop in infant death rates. The worst vaccine of all is the whooping cough vaccine... it is responsible for a lot of deaths and for a lot of infants suffering irreversible brain damage. In susceptible infants, it knocks their immune systems about, leading to irreparable brain damage, or severe attacks or even deaths from diseases like pneumonia or gastro-enteritis and so on." --Dr. Kalokerinos, M.D.

"Delay of DPT immunisation until 2 years of age in Japan has resulted in a dramatic decline in adverse side effects. In the period of 1970-1974, when DPT vaccination was begun at 3 to 5 months of age, the Japanese national compensation system paid out claims for 57 permanent severe damage vaccine cases, and 37 deaths. During the ensuing six year period 1975-1980, when DPT injections were delayed to 24 months of age, severe reactions from the vaccine were reduced to a total of eight with three deaths. This represents an 85 to 90 percent reduction in severe cases of damage and death." --Raymond Obomsawin, M.D.

"Autism may be a disorder linked to the disruption of the G-alpha protein, affecting retinoid receptors in the brain. A study of sixty autistic children suggests that autism may be caused by inserting a G-alpha protein defect, the pertussis toxin found in the D.P.T. vaccine, into genetically at-risk children." --Mary N. Megson, M.D.

"This report describes six mothers who received live virus vaccines and one who received a Hepatitis B vaccine during pregnancy after having received an MMR booster five months prior to conception. All the children who resulted from these pregnancies have had developmental problems, six out seven (85%) were diagnosed with autism, and the seventh seems to exhibit symptoms often associated with autistic spectrum disorders." --F. EdwardYazbak, MD

"Every day new parents are ringing us. They all have the same tragic story. Healthy baby, child, teenager, usually a boy, given the DPT (diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus) or DT (diphtheria and tetanus), MMR or MMR booster followed by a sudden fall or slow, but steady decline into autism or other spectrums disorder."--The Hope Project (Ireland)

"There is no evidence whatsoever of the ability of vaccines to prevent any diseases. To the contrary, there is a great wealth of evidence that they cause serious side effects." -- Dr. Viera Scheibner

"My data proves that the studies used to support immunisation are so flawed that it is impossible to say if immunisation provides a net benefit to anyone or to society in general. This question can only be determined by proper studies which have never been performed. The flaw of previous studies is that there was no long term follow up and chronic toxicity was not looked at. The American Society of Microbiology has promoted my research...and thus acknowledges the need for proper studies." --John B.Classen, M.D., M.B.A.

"The medical authorities keep lying. Vaccination has been a disaster on the immune system. It actually causes a lot of illnesses. We are changing our genetic code through vaccination." --Guylaine Lanctot M.D. Canadian author of the best-seller 'Medical Mafia'.

Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.

"Crib death" was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the 1950s with the spread of mass vaccination against diseases of childhood. --Harris L.Coulter, PhD.

"These data show that DPT vaccination may be a generally unrecognised major cause of sudden infant and early childhood death, and that the risks of immunisation may outweigh its potential benefits. A need for re-evaluation and possible modification of current vaccination procedures is indicated by this study." --William C. Torch, M.D., Director of Child Neurology, Department of Paediatrics, University of Nevada School of Medicine

"You cannot be in the presence of a profoundly vaccine damaged child and not know that child could be your own. And you cannot try to comfort a mother who has just buried a baby who has died from a vaccine or a disease and not know that you could be the one standing over the grave. When it happens to your child, the risks are 100 percent." -Anonymous

"Vaccination is not necessary, not useful, does not protect. There are twice as many casualties from vaccination as from AIDS." --Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, West Germany, specialist of internal diseases and participant in about 150 trials of vaccination victims.

Dr. Michael Odent has written a letter in the JAMA (1994) where his figures show a five times higher rate of asthma in pertussis immunised children compared to non-immunised children. He is also quoted in the International Vaccination Newsletter (Sept. 1994): "Immunised children have more ear infections and spend more days in hospital."

Link to dozens more

Thanks, Jefferson...

...what a "full" list you have provided...I am sending it to my inbox....

I am NOT taking the vaccine...and my daughter has promised she will not vaccine her children...
I am working on my son (he has one daughter)...

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You are most welcome.

I had pasted most of it, but it was a mile long in the thread. I didn't want to overwhelm the "discussion" with SO many quotes from doctors saying they (vaccines) didn't work.
I think the best bet is to try and lay low, and survive until it hopefully blows over. stock up on the necessary Vitamins (D), and supplements, and food, and firearms to protect your immune system, and your life.

I wish I had a better idea of what they were going to pull this fall. It is not looking pretty at this point.


i thought

of this before too

Hey here is an idea .... why

Hey here is an idea .... why not offer two vaccines to the people. The government offers its free vaccines to the poor and well another to the middle class. The poor vaccines could be tainted thus wiping out all the old people and the welfare people while the expensive vaccine is a regular vaccine. I guess this evil genius game makes since in a evil sort of way....

I would do it differently though. I would lower taxes and get rid of all social programs and go back to the constitution. This would force people to become families again because there is no free ride and those people that would otherwise make a stupid decision would think twice about doing it. The teen age girls that got pregnant would once again be a shame on the family because THEY would have to take care of the child thus teaching the little slut some responsibility or morals...

The people that couldn't get with the system and work for their bread would either have to go to charity or resort to a life of crime which the 2nd. amendment would widdle those numbers down pretty fast.

I believe people should have the freedom to make their lives into what they want them to be. I don't believe We or anyone else should have to suffer because someone made a stupid mistake. I believe every ones legal rights should be protected and no one should be able to infringe on anyone elses rights...

I thought

the same thing SirFelix

Save Yourself, Learn The Truth

Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine’s Dirty Little Secret Exposed

Translation = Squalene injected time bomb will trigger auto-immune diseases, and destroy YOUR immune system.

The swine flu is a total flop of genetic engeeneering. it's less potent than the regular seasonal flu.

Scientists who think they understand gene splicing are like a baby playing with a loaded gun. How many years did it take them to realize that they should have made strains of ecoli that wouldn't grow in humans before they started making all kinds of genetic modifications to ecoli. Fricken Idiots !



"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

I posted this link in a comment down below...

It's an interesting possibility so I wanted to post it separately. I've seen this explanation several times in different places.

"The 1918 Influenza Epidemic was a Vaccine-caused Disease"


"I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children can live in peace".
Thomas Paine

"We need to attract people who create more light, than heat" (Fortune cookie-8/14/2001)

Or, if you wanted to

Or, if you wanted to decrease the population you would set free a virus or give a vaccine that could make people sterile or infertile. Perhaps you could develop a vaccine that targeted only certain DNA, say that of certain ethnic groups. Whatever the reality, they are going to make boat loads of money, unthinkable amounts so they have a vested interested (as well as plenty of politicians) in making sure we have a pandemic to sell their drugs.