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Healthcare: US vs. UK. The Brutal View from Across the Pond

The brutal truth about America’s healthcare

Although the Americans spend more on medicine than any nation on earth, there are an estimated 50 million with no health insurance at all. Many of those who have jobs can't afford coverage, and even those with standard policies often find it doesn't cover commonplace procedures. California's unemployed – who rely on Medicaid – had their dental care axed last month.

Health spending as a share of GDP
US 16%
UK 8.4%

Public spending on healthcare (% of total spending on healthcare)
US 45%
UK 82%

Health spending per head
US $7,290
UK $2,992

Practising physicians (per 1,000 people)
US 2.4
UK 2.5

Life expectancy:
US 78
UK 80

Infant mortality (per 1,000 live births)
US 6.7
UK 4.8

And not only do Americans get screwed on healthcare, we also get screwed on cell phone service.

Is it just that we're suckers?



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By forming a coalition with

By forming a coalition with them we can bail them out..Welcome to Healthcare premium USA.
Good people ,do Good deeds
and are no respecter of person

You have got to look at the

You have got to look at the BIG picture.
What is the population size diference
Good people ,do Good deeds
and are no respecter of person

Result of Cultural Differences, Not Necessarily Medical

I lived in the UK for 3 years and personally knew of many horror stories regarding health care. These statistics do not give a picture of health care in the UK vs the US so much as they give a picture of lifestyle differences between the 2 countries.

In the UK, I never once saw a billboard advertising McDonald's. In fact, you see very few billboards of any kind there, let alone constant ads pushing food. I'm not saying the British diet is perfect - it's NOT - but they do eat a lot less food there and they do not go out to eat nearly as much as Americans. In my experience, they also eat a lot more vegetables (even if they do tend to add fat to them, but so do we). They do like their sweets, but this seems to affect their teeth much more than their waistlines.

The British also walk much, much more than Americans. Parking lots are not as plentiful there and the ones they have tend to be quite a distance from shops. People don't drive as much because of petrol/gas prices and cars in genereal are so much more expensive to operate there due to taxes and fees. Many people don't even own cars. (This is all due to socialism, but it does result in less driving and more walking.) They also have a LOT more public transport which also necesitates more walking. They also watch a heck of a lot less TV there. In other words, they just don't sit around on their butts as much stuffing their faces with junk.

In general, I rarely saw seriously over weight people, and I never saw a grotesquely obese Brit. Most English people are quite trim, especially in comparison with the American population as a whole. They traditionally have a reputation for smoking more there, but that is changing and many places are going smoke-free now. Overall, then, the British just tend to take better care of themselves.

I could go on, but as usual, statistics do not tell the whole story.

In America, the offer of

In America, the offer of free healthcare is so rare, that news of the magical medical kingdom spread rapidly and long lines of prospective patients snaked around the venue for the chance of getting everyday treatments that many British people take for granted.

Long lines for 'standard issue spectacles' and mammograms?
Just the kind of treatment British people take for granted you say?

Sounds about right.

The reason US health care is so expensive is Govt. involvement

The Govt. meddling in health care is the #1 reason it's so expensive. That and the fact the Federal Reserve has been inflating our currency since 1913. The Fed has destroyed Americans purchasing power. This is a HUGE impact as well.

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws - Mayer Amschel Rothschild

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws - Mayer Amschel Rothschild

No one argues that the

No one argues that the health care system in the US isn't messed up. The debate is over why, and what to do about it.

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

Dentist

Ya and you also have to wait years to get a tooth pulled.

The UK has an underground dentist industry for teeth extraction now.

These figures seem to be

These figures seem to be promoting "pro-UK",how surprising!

There are other factors in America that contribute to these statistics.

Our depreciated money
Poor education
Over regulation
Over taxation
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All of which are caused by the government and the remedy is not more regulations,more taxes,more money poured into failing government institutions...
This country needs more liberty and a populous that can connect the dots to achieve it.

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"...we are face to face with the problem whether ours is a government under a written constitution and the laws made pursuant thereto, or whether it is a government by ambitious and usurping men.'" -- F.Pierce

13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he shall hate the one, and love the other, or else he shall lean to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and riches. - Luke 16

it's not just those things.

we have a completely government run fascist system already. hmo's are government created and mandated corporations. kinda like the federal reserve. our bureaucracy is way, way bigger in healthcare than the uk's. we've created an entirely new government just to manage health care. i'll say it again. india is one of the only countries with a nearly free market health care system. their expenditures are a fourth of the uk's per capita. and 12 times less than ours.

The whole article is propaganda

written by the British Health Minister, as a tool to be used to advance the NWO by using the cooked numbers and inferences to try to influence the debate over here.

How anybody could be gullible enough to lend any credence to that article, is beyond me.
(Not aiming any of this at you JeffD. I just got inspired to comment by your post)

It's amazing how many closet-socialists will come out of the closet if they think THEY can get some of that "free candy", while turning a blind eye to all the ramifications involved to their fellow citizens.

Wanna know how the gov't gets the welfare recipients to vote for them?
Now you know.
It'll be you, next election time. Because you're them, now.

(Again, this is not aimed at you JeffD. The ones it's aimed at know who they are).

Look who posted it.

Look who posted it.

Yeah, I'm lookin' at it.

Ever think he posted it so that he could see who's sucked in by the propaganda, and who would stand up for individual freedoms and personal responsibility, like Ron Paul espouses?

And if he believes it himself, then I feel sorry for him.

At this point in time, there's just no more room left to coddle foolishness.
It's crunch time..

Calgarykinda4Paul

Can't have it both ways...freedom and socialism.

**“The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.” ~ Mark Twain **

"...there is no doubt that it (socialism) could not possibly have affected us so widely and so deeply as it has, had it not been heavily financed". - B. Carroll Reece

How about.........

Allowing each state to have its own plan? That would seem a reasonable compromise.

How about outlawing medical insurance?

How about rescinding and completely doing away with Medicare and Medicaid? If we remove the pressures to un-affordability and then everyone will be able to access health care at a more affordable rate.

Better yet, can we outlaw the consumption of refined sugar, the eating of meat and the drinking of alcohol? Such measures would certainly change the health care needs of the nation. We could do it in the name of love and charity.

**“The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.” ~ Mark Twain **

"...there is no doubt that it (socialism) could not possibly have affected us so widely and so deeply as it has, had it not been heavily financed". - B. Carroll Reece

When the dollar collapses

How will people pay for their health care? Should we set up a private organ bank? Like if I need chemeotherapy could I pay for it by donating a kidney? We need to think outside the box here.

We need to take care of ourselves.

When it collapses, no one will pay for health care as food and shelter will become rather important...and health care a luxury.

Raw organic food, a Bob Beck Pulser. and watching where I walk, my friend. I haven't been sick, nor broken a bone in years.

**“The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.” ~ Mark Twain **

"...there is no doubt that it (socialism) could not possibly have affected us so widely and so deeply as it has, had it not been heavily financed". - B. Carroll Reece

How about Iraqi Vets

Who are coming home with long term health issues? Should they "take care of themselves"?

If there is a major collapse

If there is a major collapse as in giant extreme collapse, I think that most people will have no choice but to consider their own survival and the survival of their families, first. We can only hope, if the worst happens, that there will be people who have the resources to provide care and assistance when the government is unable to.

Maybe if our nation, including our military, would abide by the Constitution then we might not be facing these potential scenarios.

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Good question!

After all, it was their own CHOICE to accept the call to arms. Why should "we" support them? Btw, that's a rhetorical question.. I definitely support them! How about you, melgesman?

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It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick

. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!

Nope. I don't support them.

As an American, I don't support what they are doing in my name. I don't agree with their personal decisions to acquiesce to the PTB's designs for the world nor their part in it. In so far as I am concerned, I think that the corporations that fuel the fires, control the politicians and force the agenda's should pay for those that they use and abuse. And, they will surely be your abusers in the future as the PTB's needs arise. Look at the domestic blue-uniformed forces now.

Now, if soldiers were acting in defense of our nation after having been attacked, by all means, we as a nation should pay for their efforts on our behalf and take care of them. But, sadly this is not the case. They are dupes for power. Sounds harsh, but it is how I see it now-a-days.

**“The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.” ~ Mark Twain **

"...there is no doubt that it (socialism) could not possibly have affected us so widely and so deeply as it has, had it not been heavily financed". - B. Carroll Reece

Shudder

Thats how you feel about America's best and brightest young people, wrongly sent off to fight an illegitimate war thousands of miles away? I've never heard Ron Paul speak this way.

"best and brightest" ??? I

"best and brightest" ???

I hate to be the one to say it, but the vast majority of those that I know who join the military or were previously in the military have done so because they were not able to survive without doing so. They had no other viable options, regardless of their status as being the "best and brightest" they could not figure out how to survive in the 'real world' without enlisting. Yes, I know that many do so because of duty, honor, etc - but in my experience they are in the slim minority of those who signup.

Who else knows people who did not want to re-enlist but they did so because they were unable to, financially, refuse the re-enlistment bonus?

One friend who legitimately is one of our "best and brightest" was at the very top of his high school class, at the very top (if not the top) of his military academy/college and excelled as a military officer - he LEFT the military almost immediately after completing his obligation, because he realized what was going on and how wrong it was to be a part of it. This guy, legitimately, has the credentials to make most heads spin. He chose the path of liberty.

Take it from one of our world's "best and brightest" ever: "The Pioneers of a war less world will be the Men and Women who refuse military service" -Albert Einstein Einstein was one smart dude.

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The "best and brightest" don't join the military

Sorry to burst your bubble.

I'm not Ron Paul

And they are FREE to just say no to being sent off to an "illegitimate war thousands of miles away". If they simply said "no"...they wouldn't be there, they wouldn't be injured, and I wouldn't have to sit here looking like some insensitive traitor simply to prove a truth.

**“The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.” ~ Mark Twain **

"...there is no doubt that it (socialism) could not possibly have affected us so widely and so deeply as it has, had it not been heavily financed". - B. Carroll Reece

Yes, and how

about letting each PERSON decide what "plan" or "no plan" to buy?
Or pay as he goes?

These socialists that are pushing this thing act like the only way to do anything is via government force.
I don't even know what they are doing here on DP in the first place, although I'm starting to think I know why they are here, now.

Anti-Americanna is a good example of that.

I'm not pushing anything

Who are you to decide who can post here? I

Oh! Getting a bit sensitive, are we?

Nobody "decided" who could post here, in any of my posts.

But I will question the motives, and the posts promoting a "gov't solution" speak for themselves.

I posted the cartoon

Because I think it sums up how people in the UK and Canada view the healthcare debate in the US.