So much for Canadian Health Care

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Overhauling health-care system tops agenda at annual meeting of Canada's doctors
By Jennifer Graham (CP) – 1 day ago

SASKATOON — The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and France.

His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."

In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.

He has also said the Canadian system could be restructured to focus on patients if hospitals and other health-care institutions received funding based on the patients they treat, instead of an annual, lump-sum budget. This "activity-based funding" would be an incentive to provide more efficient care, he has said.

Doig says she doesn't know what a proposed "blueprint" toward patient-centred care might look like when the meeting wraps up Wednesday. She'd like to emerge with clear directions about where the association should focus efforts to direct change over the next few years. She also wants to see short-term, medium-term and long-term goals laid out.

"A short-term achievable goal would be to accelerate the process of getting electronic medical records into physicians' offices," she said. "That's one I think ought to be a priority and ought to be achievable."

A long-term goal would be getting health systems "talking to each other," so information can be quickly shared to help patients.

Doig, who has had a full-time family practice in Saskatoon for 30 years, acknowledges that when physicians have talked about changing the health-care system in the past, they've been accused of wanting an American-style structure. She insists that's not the case.

"It's not about choosing between an American system or a Canadian system," said Doig. "The whole thing is about looking at what other people do."

"That's called looking at the evidence, looking at how care is delivered and how care is paid for all around us (and) then saying 'Well, OK, that's good information. How do we make all of that work in the Canadian context? What do the Canadian people want?' "

Doig says there are some "very good things" about Canada's health-care system, but she points out that many people have stories about times when things didn't go well for them or their family.

"(Canadians) have to understand that the system that we have right now - if it keeps on going without change - is not sustainable," said Doig.

"They have to look at the evidence that's being presented and will be presented at (the meeting) and realize what Canada's doctors are trying to tell you, that you can get better care than what you're getting and we all have to participate in the discussion around how do we do that and of course how do we pay for it."

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As a Canadian, I am appalled

As a Canadian, I am appalled as to what the Canadian Health care system has become. As a Canadian in Ontario, where we once had the finest example of medical care, I believe in the world, I am now looking for a doctor. My doctor has dismissed me as a patient, because I sought a second opinion of the need for a hip replacement, on my own, at a walk-in clinic in Toronto. My family doctor, Dr. X, arranged a consultation with a surgeon at a regional hospital to discuss a hip replacement. The imaging results from the second opinion disclosed that both hips are in tact and surgery is not required. Dr. X was very offensive that I took it upon myself to seek another opinion. He felt I did not trust him as a doctor, therefore he gave me 3 months to find another doctor. That brings us to another scenario.
One now has to sign a Ministry form committing to a doctor and to allow the Ministry to disclose all medical records with your application to be a patient. Apparently the doctor has the right of refusal for any candidate patient. They do not inform you of what the criteria is to be a "candidate" patient nor is a patient informed of what the protocol is for doctor/patient relationship????
I carry private medical group insurance as a retired teacher ($144/mo) and asked Ministry if I should cancel my insurance since I have no access to medical care. As a patient without a doctor, for the first time in my 64 years of life as a Canadian citizen (I'll be turning 65 this year) I am sure that I will be assigned a doctor somewhere in Ontario but will not have the choice, as I understand it, to choose my own doctor. They did inform me that I should be looking for a doctor on my own as well. I guess there's no way of getting an endorsement or referral as to doctors' qualifications and certification.
Do not get sick in Ontario.

So you would support

Higher taxes to pay for better services? I live in Alberta and I haven't had to sign any form commiting me to a doctor.

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Good Article

"In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system."
Good Idea. Why hasn't it happened? Because of NAFTA. If our system is opened up to allow private health care, US Health corporations could sue under NAFTA to gain access to our market and would likely win. Canadians are more afraid of US health care than they are of "Socialism". Can you blame us?
Which demographic votes the most? Old people. They do not want anyone screwing with Medicare. So we are stuck with the status quo.
We can't fix our system until you fix yours.
Canadians are by and large satisifed with the system as it is.

Pardon My Ignorance

But, are these doctors paid by the state, like communism?

Here's a good comparison

From the Cato institute, Govt spending as a % of GDP in Canada and the US. I'm sure most DPers are familiar with the Cato institute.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10208
Govt spending as a percentage of GDP in Canada has been dropping since the 90's (under a liberal government), while in the US it has increased (under Geroge Bush) Remember this the next time you lecture us on the evils of "socialism."

At This Moment

I'd say that the illegal aliens in the U.S. are raising any health benefits that Americans would normally have in the less outrageous range of payment. After all, their (illegals are) responsible for closing down somewhere in the range of 93 hospitals in California alone. So, of course, it's being passed to the general population.

Now Canada is seeing this influx of Mexican illegals, right? Expect yours to go up up up huh? a matter of time, expect no good from them being there!

Just think about the day

Just think about the day when our economy implodes and We can no longer support our military. All of these europeans and canadians that act like they are so much better than us because they have healthcare will be eating crow. These countries will no longer be able to afford their healthcare system because they won't have big brother to protect them anymore. I look forward to that day quite fondly because they will get a good dose of reality.

I look forward to that day also

Break up NATO! Who is it you are protecting us from? Iraq?

Oh, I get it

since we will be merging with Canada they want everyone on the same system. I suspect we will soon be hearing how Mexico will have the same health plan. I have a sneaking suspicion that there is more in this health care plan than health care.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

Really?

http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-GreenBusiness/idUSTRE57G2...
The Obama administration is looking more protectionist all the time.