Third party Now! How much longer will we play their game?
Submitted by jojok on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 07:53
The 1 party system is a criminal fraud. It is stacked against the people. Both parties are the same: fact. The voting system is rigged: fact. It is time that we, the people, form a third party. We demand to be on the ballot in every state. We demand a fair and honest election. I suggest a third party run by our man Ron Paul. Dennis Kucinich for vice president. (we can consolidate the real progressive vote on our side). We can agree on a constitutional platform. What do u think guys and girls? Why don't people close to Ron Paul run this past him?
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I too would like to see...
a third party movement happen. It has happened before...Take a look at the populist movement of the 1890s.
Unfortunately, what happens when a third party begins to take hold is that the two parties co-opt the parts of the third party that resonate and insert those ideas into their parties...effectively killing the third party.
I think Dr. Paul is right that we must work in one of the two parties to succeed.
The Libertarian Party has been around for a while and they just suck....look at who they nominated in 2008.
But if a third party were to take off...You would definately have my attention...but the Libertarian Party? Hopeless perennial losers.
It's the only game in town
Famous old joke
Question: Why do you keep playing in that poker game? You know it's rigged. The players cheat.
Answer: It's the only game in town.
Well, the two party system is the only game in town. Trying to get traction with a third party is not avoiding the game; It is playing to lose. The game is rigged to quash third parties.
The thing to do is to try to take over the "empty vessel" of the GOP, influence Democrats if you can, but be prepared for the time when the game gets rough or the game breaks up.
Libertarian Party
In the event I became a member of the Libertarian Party would it be appropriate to continue posting here?
"Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies."
Thomas Jefferson, 1799
"Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies."
Thomas Jefferson, 1799
At times I wonder the same
At times I wonder the same thing, but I stay and post anyway. I've begun to feel, even more recently, that some people here really aren't willing to fight or struggle. They want it to be easy. If those words offend anybody then you are most likely one of them. I wish that the group was more on the same page and less divided but I guess it's what you end up with when you get a bunch of people together. I for one will remain a Libertarian and stay committed to it and also continue posting here. I welcome any others to do the same. Everything has a starting point, we are the only ones that can truly make the difference.
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http://mises.org/
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Taking over the Republican Party....
Is a much harder fight - In fact, it's where the fight is.
Take the easy path of acceptance within the LP debate club if you want, but it isn't where the fight and struggle is happening.....
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/98916
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You may be right, but I
You may be right, but I stand by my principles. The LP is where I "fit". And the struggle is happening throughout, not just the republican party. There is no other party who fits my beliefs.
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You would "fit" in just fine here--
The Republican Liberty Caucus
http://www.rlc.org/
Ron Paul does :)
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If we all get back into
the two party system, the socialist/communists would not have us where they want us-outside the system.
infiltrate all parties, sow a seed
of liberty and freedom
o.k "unite the clans" and move forward
i just wanted to get a feel for how people felt about a third party run. gerald celente spoke about it and it got me thinking. i just want to have goals that are set & that we can agree upon. we need to unite all third party people and disillusioned voters and get them back in the arena. i guess we take back our government. we post on every web site we visit and get them onboard with our plan. we advertise our candidates through our media (internet). go Ron & Rand go!!!
"go Ron & Rand go!!!"
Yes, I'm behind that 100%
Did you miss the fact that they are "going" as REPUBLICANS?
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I'm wondering what may be
I'm wondering what may be stopping you from running locally for your water board or sewer board or city council? Make the change you want.
http://FlipFlopRomney.blogspot.com
That's another benefit of working within the...
republican party at the county level - they have candidate forums where we go over the open seats, what it takes to run, how to support each other, how the party can help, etc...
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The Liberty movement
should never run out of ideas, or presentations of them.
But, the financial elite, and the Dem and GOP mules, have spent 100 years creating election laws to eliminate competition.
All the passion in the world, is not going to overcome 100 years of planning and execution.
The most effective solution, is to flood the 2 parties at the grass roots level, and take control, precinct by precinct, district by district, voter by voter.
It will take YEARS to fix the USA, and our instant gratification society may not have the ability to do the type of work required to overcome years of big money influence.
All we have in numbers. We need about 30 million voters who are 100% awake, and no longer believe in what the TV tells them. 30 million.
We get to that number, as we turn the ship around, through the House of Representatives.
How many people are willing to donate part of their time each and every week to saving the nation? THAT is the answer. Not a one time election, but 20 years of elections.
"The most effective
"The most effective solution, is to flood the 2 parties at the grass roots level, and take control, precinct by precinct, district by district, voter by voter."
I saw this strategy in action, and it works. I think this is the fastest peaceful method.
http://FlipFlopRomney.blogspot.com
To my young friend.
Perhaps you are new to Daily Paul. We have been down this road many, many times. Ron Paul has no interest in a Third Party run, with Dennis or anybody else. It's dead. I am sorry to report this to you.
In a perfect world, your idea has great merit. But, sadly the world has changed from the days of Teddy Roosevelt and his Bull Moose Party.
A Third Party does not stand a chance. Ask Ralph Nader, Henry 'Ross' Perot, or John Anderson. These were/are noble men with a great backing and they got blasted off the radar.
Please understand that ours is not a perfect world or nation. You know this. You are smart. But the Mafia is running the show. As you say, the elections are rigged. Well, do you think that someone like Dr. Paul will be given equal time in the media? A fair deal at the polls? Sorry, but the answer is no to everything.
We all wish for your idea. Do not let me slam the door on your thumb. It's a great idea! But, given the current state of affairs, it will not happen.
any football fans here?
imagine 3 teams on the field with two endzones.
the third team doesn't have a prayer because the game isn't designed for it.
until our city or state adopts instant-runoff voting, then stick to the one party or the other for the time being.
This isn't a game it's real life with endless permutations
The analogy is false. While there is only one winner, there can be multiple losers, so that means you by default can have more than one competitor.
Each state is different. In my state, local races are open primaries regardless of party and the top two have a runoff if no one has a majority. For Federal office, there are party primaries and only one from each party (with no limit to independents) appear on the general election ballot. (needing only the most votes to win)
IRV is a disaster for 3rd parties. There has been extensive analysis on this. The best systems are one which either officially recognize and treat as equals ALL parties in the process, AND/OR the use of Ranked Approval Voting which does not suffer the "strategic voting" problems that renders IRV the same results as the current First Past the Post system.
Imagine a Horse Race
Imagine a horse race with just two horses. The owners choose the jockeys. The owners don't want us. Jump on the Libertarian Party horse and make it a real race. (I like horses.)
The Libertarian horse may be
The Libertarian horse may be the most beautiful and fast horse, but if they won't let it on the track it won't finish or win the race. Better to let us jockey one of the contenders to the goal.
The Libertarian horse rarely wins
because the party doesn't have the organization to train the horse properly.
There is not enough activism in the party compared to the other two to make it possible to win on a large scale. Sure, there are small victories here and there. But we've yet to win something so large as a state-wide race, or a congressional district. The organization isn't there, and it's like herding cats to get enough people active to do something. Volunteers and donors are almost non-existent in many corners of the country.
3-Wheel Occilator vs a 2-Wheel Occilator
Occilation drives profit in a Corporatist Society (period)!!
Ron Paul has said the "business cycle is artificial" -- Caused by Fiat Credit, Regulatory Advantages, and War.
Fiat Power is Congress' Abdication
Regulatory Power is Congress/Senate Abdication
War is Congress/Senate Abdication
Congress/Senate is Civilian-Abdication
Ballot Box Shuffle is Perpetual War and you want to add a 3rd Leg to It?
Hahahahahahahahaha
We need variety in our abdication I guess, smile.
Octobox
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
Forming yet another third
Forming yet another third party will do nothing to change the bias against third parties.
Let's not worry about all of us cramming into one party
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
political parties can be controlled, that is the NWO's system. Let's let the R3volution grow where it grows, and attack solutions, not ideas. That is my thoughts on it.
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
38% of voters are registered independents
Imagine if they would only join forces with all the other third parties joining in to Elect Ron Paul.
The biggest goal and first goal is to get an honest president who loves America and the constitution.
I hope we can all get together on this. We got the numbers.
WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR?
goals
"The biggest goal and first goal is to get an honest president who loves America and the constitution."
My goal is to get involved locally and work on issues locally that I support. Every two years I will participate in the county and state GOP festivities by going to caucus with enough support to take me to the state convention. I can also provide some financial support to groups like Committees of Safety.
I can effectively make change locally. In fact, Ron Paul has asked each of us to get involved locally. We are the grassroots and can make change within each municipality.
http://FlipFlopRomney.blogspot.com
An independent registration...
Does not mean an automatic vote for a 3rd party...
I have alot of friends and family registered independent - but they still "identify" with the R's or the D's...
I've heard it would cost well over 100 million dollars to build household "name brand" recognition for a third party...do you have that kind of cash?....And then we'd still need to fund the individual candidates...we didn't even raise that much for Ron Paul.....
and if we set out to do this - they'd still find ways to keep us off the playing field.
Most of us here know of Ron Paul Because he was speaking at the Republican debates - he wouldn't of been there if he had been running on a 3rd party ticket....like back in 88' when the media payed him NO attention.
It's much cheaper - and more effective - to drag the republican party to our way of thinking - we don't even have to make most of them agree with us, we just have to get involved with the party mechanisms and drive the thing ourselves.
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I Agree, the Libertarian Party is Growing
Hi Logic,
I agree with you and the Libertarian Party is growing. Every effort is tearing another brick out of the wall built by the Republicans and Democrats. I send a contribution every month to the Libertarian Party because it is the party that consistently upholds individual liberty. See www.lp.org The LP set a goal to raise $200,000 through its website this year and it is now well over that amount. More and more people contact me to attend the Libertarian Party Meetup Group I organize because they have become disgusted with the Reps and Dems. It is not easy going the third party route but nothing in life that is valuable is easy. Join us. We welcome you.
If the Libertarian Party....and the Constitution Party....
Disbanded and encouraged all their members to join and work within the GOP - we'd own the thing tomorrow....
As it is we are making great strides.....
"The republican party is an vessel" - Rand Paul
Lets help him fill it with the waters of liberty - he is running as a republican after all....
Fellow Veterans, This Is A Call To Arms!
http://www.facebook.com/events/192677970828185/
February 20, 2012 - Veterans For Ron Paul March on D.C.!
If there is a 3rd party it should be the American Party.
What American would think "American" was bad?
That would be a tough job for the government - convincing Americans that "American" is bad.
Oh wait... www.theamericanparty.org
Branding is important.
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
Ron Paul's Convention Speech