Ron Paul on Larry King August 18, 2009
Submitted by aVoiceof Reason. on Wed, 08/19/2009 - 17:31
Part II below:
Tune in to CNN at 9:00 ET to see Dr. Paul discuss health care.
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argh! why!??!
Why can't anyone on mainstream TV except Dr Paul, Peter Schiff, etc. understand what inflation is?? It drives me nuts to hear them get it wrong over and over and over again.
The cost of medical care, or cars, or whatever, CANNOT rise faster than inflation. It is not possible. Inflation is the expansion of the money supply. The EFFECT of inflation is rising prices. It makes no sense to say the effect is rising faster than the cause.
They do not mean to say that the price of medical care is rising faster than the price of something else such as food or consumer electronics. They simply do not understand what inflation is. The effect of inflation is not distributed uniformly. That's a well known fact which none of these mainstream talking puppets seem to understand.
Dr. Paul needs some help.
He is so persuasive on economics and foreign policy buts lacks focus and practice on the Healthcare argument. We all know where he is coming from but he is having trouble expressing it.
Here's one for him;
If Peter claims he has the right to Healthcare doesn't Paul have the right to keep his wages and not pay for Peter's Healthcare?
Money makes the world go round
Healthcare = Economics
Foreign Policy = Economics
Paul's right on the facts, wrong on the emphasis
I think Ron is making a mistake in pitting himself against something like an Obama plan. He understands that we have nothing like a free market system. He understands that our third payer system and crony capitalist system has created a disaster that makes coverage unaffordable for millions of Americans. This interview sort of makes him seem like he's defending the status quo against Obama. In fact all we'd be doing is trading one disaster for another. It's not like we're losing something that is so great if Obama got his way.
Medicare is bad. But they operate with 4% overhead. The rest goes for care. When Paul rips on Medicare he makes it seem like he's defending the so called "private" part of our medical market, which isn't private at all. It's crony capitalistic. And it's worse than Medicare. They take between 20 and 30% of the payment as overhead and the rest goes for coverage. And what the hell are they bringing to the table? What value do they offer? It's as if when you bought food you had a different person write the check and you then wrote them a check for what they paid + 30%. It's a ridiculous system.
Of course Obama got into office by working for these insurance companies, so I don't expect anything to change. He'll talk about it, but abandon it, and we'll retain our ridiculous over priced system just like Paul says. These people make millions of dollars doing nothing and they like it that way, which is why they buy off politicians and prevent themselves from having to compete in a market where they'd really be required to bring value. But Paul should never put himself in a position where he appears to be defending the so called free market part of our healthcare system.
What upset me about the "free medical stations"....
.. Well, I was watching Bill Maher with utter frustration because he never has a conservative that can actually defend against his panel of left winger, bleeding heart pinkos and they were showing the line of people (this exact same place and exact same flight doctor on Larry King) waiting for medical care in Inglewood California and then he showed ONLY the crazier of the anti socialized medicine protestors who had medical insurance and displayed us like we are rich heartless ass holes. Well, the funny thing about the majority of the people in line for the free care was that they were like 90% (give or take) ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!!!! I WANTED TO PULL MY FREAKING HAIR OUT!!! Nobody asked them to come here and I DAMN sure aint going to have my tax payer dollars, pay for their medical, dental, educational and YES, their yearly prison fees! more than 30% of the population of our prisons are filled with Illegal immigrants and in certain parts of California, over 2/3rds of children of illegal immigrants will become violent gang members and will end up in prison or end up dead or selling alot of drugs. I dont care if what I am saying is politically incorrect because political correctness is what is killing this country. It really pissed me off and they never mention that part in any of these shows about those "free clinics", yet if there was a vote done today, less than 17% of the population would vote yes to having tax paid medical care for illegal immigrants and yet more than 48-52% of congress would vote yes!!! Isnt there something wrong with this picture (referring to how out of touch the government is)? Thanks
Ron Paul 2012
Ron Paul 2012
Health care is a service
not a right.This is the premises of Dr. Paul departure on this debate.
How to more efficiently & cheaply deliver quality health services to the people in need of them. That is the issue.
Dr.Paul carefully pointed out that corporate raiders along with government have monopolized this market for the past 40 years.Add to this the Obamacare initiative now and the fascist model will be complete.
It is all about control of the masses.Not the least about health care for ordinary Americans.
The trouble is -how do you dismantle a system where powerful corporate lobbyists control the laws and regulations passed in Congress?
Get rid of career politicians! Re-take Congress!
“A Government Big Enough to Give You Everything You Want is Powerful Enough to Take Everything You Have — Thomas Jefferson”
good panel
I like Larry King. He lets his guests really speak. The other two guys next to Dr. Paul are ignorant but Larry is fair and gives them all equal time. Good interview.
I also suspect that CNN is now behind Fox news and MSNBC in ratings. They need more conservative guests like Dr. Paul. This is also a sad comment on our society that people rather hear confirmation of their beliefs rather than objective news, that includes present company. The neo-con conservatives run to fox to confirm their world view and the liberals run to msnbc. This leaves cnn in a distant third place.
"If you leave it to the goodness of man..."
He says if you leave it to the goodness of man, people will not help people get healthcare... implication is that the government will.
But who makes up government? man...
If you don't trust in the goodness of man then why would you give man the power of government?
What does Ron Paul say while CNN has him muted?
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
Remember Gupta is the Surgeon General
An employee of Obama and some right wing doc is not gonna over-do Ron Paul!
Ron Rocks....
Ron is bouncing in his seat :-} My man is pumped. Two on one? YOU CAN'T TOUCH THIS..
"I don't want to be in a battle . . . but
waiting on the edge of one I can't escape
is even worse"
"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"
hahahahahaha -- If Ron Paul was an MC he'd be Underground
---- "real" hip-hop
Octobox
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
Dr. Paul missed a softball thrown right over the plate
When the charity doctor mentioned that state laws prevent doctors from crossing state lines...this would have been a good opportunity for RP to bring up medical licensing which allows the government and doctors to monopolize healthcare and deny free entry. Licensing restricts the amount of doctors available in an attempt to limit supply and push up doctors wages. Freedom would allow people to go to certified doctors if they so choose but uncertified doctors would also be allowed to practice medicine and compete.
Donte' Stallworth and Jared Field are both Ron Paul fans...xD
blog.mlive.com/its-just-sports/2009/08/todays_tweets_donte_stallworth.html
twitter.com/D_Stallworth18/status/3395840435
xD
Nothing! and I mean nothing is free
Even people have a price on their heads or whatever part including their souls. The question remains can the government do a better job fixing anything given the trend of indifference to the Constitution and the people they represent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdQKetTLXm8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2...
and then you die
So the Doctor on the left...
is for free public healthcare but when CNN demonstrates the free market and good people working to provide free health care to these American's, it's somehow undesired.
The doctor on the left support free healthcare but not free healthcare?
Was anyone else confused by this doctors comments?
um...
I thought I was the only one that heard that. Dr. Song, do you want free public health care? Yes. No. YesNo. Geeezzz.....
If they want MY vote, they need to tell me why they are better than the other guy, not why the other guy is worse than they are.
video of lying Obama
Does anybody have a video showing Obama's promises (pre-election) and all the actions which proved he lied?
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford
Song missed a major point.
He talks about what the insurance companies are doing wrong, but he doesn't notice that it's government interference that shelters them from competition.
-jcr
"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel
Exactly
I thought the same thing, good call.
"When you see the stock market come down and the real estate bubble burst, all that phony wealth is going to evaporate, and all that will be left is the debt we've accumulated to foreigners"-Peter Schiff 2006
http://theconstitutionalists1.blogspot.com
agree
I think he skipped it on purpose, it seemed he was prepared and did some reading on the other side's argument.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/103059
Dr. Paul's commentary on this health care issue pointed out...
...That underlying this whole issue is an attempt by the government to gain more control over the individual--and health care being a very private issue, the government knows how much control it could get going this route.
Also, as Dr. Paul stated, anything the government does the private sector could do better, if only allowed to do so.
BUT THE MAIN POINT MADE BY RON PAUL IS THAT THE SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW IS BROKEN --- BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE --- SO ADDING MORE FUEL TO THIS FIRE WILL ONLY MAKE IT WORSE.
Well done Dr. Paul!
"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul
I Agree
For years the federal government has controlled our money through the IRS. The IRS, through the tax code, effectively controls behavior by allowing us to keep a little more of our money if we act in certain government approved manners.
Now they are going for control of our bodies.
They can't have my mind. I won't allow them to control my mind. AAAHHHHH!!!
Typical Larry King Deck Stacking
Typical: Larry puts up 2 guests on HIS side of the issue, and 1 on the side of the issue that Larry is against, gives 'an equal 66%' of the time to his side of the issue, and interrupts repeatedly the 33% of the time devoted to the side Larry is against.
They better stop
going on TV with the good Dr. He makes both these guys look like Beck & Mr. Ed. When he states that medicaid is "broke" the knucklehead to the left interprets broke as "broken" but "not out of cash". The system is broken help! government! help! Come fix it! FEMA where are you?? Government is the problem not the solution.
9/11 was an inside job .....time to get some answers..RP 2012
9/11 was an inside job .....time to get some answers..RP 2012
Wow, what unbelievable
Wow, what unbelievable SPIN!
Volunteer Doctors and nurses charitably helping the less fortunate is BAD,
But Government taking control by steeling from people is GOOD!
Dear Lord God help us!
larry king... stop
larry king... stop interrupting Dr. Paul when he's making a point!!!!
The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.
- Calvin Coolidge
Ron Paul...refocus
I love RP. BUT...
When he goes off into tangents not specifically related to the topic, the host is right to manage the conversation. No one wants to hear about inflation, or government spending on other things, when they are trying to focus on healthcare. Not that RP is wrong of course, just seemingly off topic.
The whole problem with this circus is that Mr. King, Dr. Song and Dr. Gupta operate from a different baseline of assumptions than Dr. Paul.
Mainstream baseline:
Government is good and should do as much as possible; it has to do more about healthcare
True republican baseline:
Government is fallible and should do as little as is necessary; it should intervene less in healthcare
I think Dr. Paul would have been better off speaking more about the failures of government interventionist medicine and how that adversely affects cost, about the provider cartel instituted by the states, and about the government supported employer group insurance system which makes patients the third-party in coverage.
Support our republic and the liberty it provides - Todd
Support our republic and the liberty it provides - Todd
He (Ron) does talk about it.
He (Ron) does talk about it. they (msm) ignore him and continue with the bullshit. Most of the sheeple trust the msm and once again revert to thinking the way the msm has shaped their minds for years.. .instead of thinking for themselves.
The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.
- Calvin Coolidge
Other thoughts
Brilliant of Dr. Paul to bring up government monitoring of medical transactions. This should plant more suspicion in people’s minds. Gupta’s befuddlement added to the effect.
Song says everybody agrees that the current system is broken. Now if we could just get more of these agreeable people to understand that it was government that broke it with decades of interference in the market.
Isn’t it hilarious that statists are so out of touch with the way the real world works that they are surprised when crowds turn out for free medical treatment by Stan Brock’s RAM? Gee, you give something away and people show up to take it. Go figure.
To his credit, Brock points out how physician licensing by the state is a barrier to better care. I wouldn’t count on the do-gooders understanding that either, however.