Rand Paul supports Congressional term limits

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Like his father, Rand Paul supports Congressional term limits. This exchange is from an interview with the Liberty Maven blog:

LM: You’ve mentioned that you support term limits in recent interviews. Does this mean you support a Constitutional amendment to institute term limits or are you of the opinion that term limits should be a personal decision for each office holder? If you get elected, how many terms will you serve?

Rand Paul: I support both a Constitutional amendment and/or legislation if it could be done Constitutionally. Voluntary term limits have not worked because the good Congressmen kept the pledge and went home and the creeps broke their pledges and stayed. Also, only a very small percentage, maybe ten to fifteen, ever were elected with a voluntary pledge."

For full interview, see:
http://libertymaven.com/2009/08/19/rand-paul-talks-family-fo...

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I only have one concern, and not sure that the information

is factual or not. I read that Rand was pro mountain top removal mining? I realize that the people that this is killing are a minority, but it is causing cancer in the young, making their drinking water toxic, yet no one seems to care. I thought for sure that a Paul", would certainly want to take action for human preservation and the dignity of a few poor Americans who are loosing all they have in this world due to corporate influence and power. Am I missing something here or have I been misinformed?

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Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, and set those BRUSH FIRES everywhere you go and in all you do!

I love it!

He really tells it like he sees it!
I love that about him... Truth to Power.

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DeMint to help Rand Paul with term limits

Rand Paul will have help in the U.S. Senate on the issue of Congressional term limits, as Sen. Jim DeMint -- who has also been a big help on the Audit the Fed bill -- announced on Oct. 22 the imminent introduction of a new term limits bill!

With most recent polling on term limits above 80%, this should be a lead issue for all liberty candidates for the U.S. Congress. Moreover, when quizzing Congressional candidates, we should keep springing the question: "Do you support Congressional term limits?"

For the story, see:
http://pblumel.blogspot.com/2009/11/breaking-news-sen-demint...

To help Rand and Jim on this project, be sure to sign the online petition at http://www.termlimits.org/content.asp?admin=Y&contentid=28.

For more info on Rand and Ron Paul's support of term limits, see:
http://pblumel.blogspot.com/2009/08/rand-paul-like-father-li...
and
http://pblumel.blogspot.com/2008/11/ron-paul-i-support-term-...

Thanks!

Senator DeMint

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is also endorsing Chuck De Vore, running against Barbara Boxer here in CA ... speaking of needing to term limit someone. sheesh.

I don't believe in term

I don't believe in term limits. Let the free market, the people with the votes decide who stays and who goes. When reelections is all they care about, it puts the power in our hands.

A election is a government program, not a free market

We often use analogies about 'freedom of choice" regarding elections as if elections were sort a market where we all go and make our choice of who we want to be represented by. The analogy is useful to an extent, but we musn't take it too far.

In reality, unlike a market, we are not all choosing what we want for ourselves in an election. We are choosing FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. When three people go into a store to buy a cola, one may choose Pepsi, one may choose Coke and one may choose RC. But in an election, the three would vote and the majority would have its choice forced upon the loser. That is because an election is a coercive government program -- a legitimate one, like the military, the police and the courts -- but a government program nonetheless.

Limited government is an essential part of freedom. Just because the military, police, courts and elections are important and legitimate government functions, doesn't mean that soldiers, cops, judges and politicians can do whatever they want. We need rules to limit government and protect the individual freedom.

Like Washington warned, government can be both a faithful servant and a fearful master. It is limitations on it that make it more of the former than the latter.

I don't really get the

term limits thing. What we need is intelligent voters to vote the bad ones out. If you have a good one in there why would you want to limit the time he/she has. If there were term limits Dr. Paul would have never finally gotten 1207 heard and for that matter we probably wouldn't all be here today having learned so much from him. Thank God he was re elcted so many times. The message may have never gotten this far if he had not had to work at it for so many years.

We can't "just vote the bad ones out"

>>What we need is intelligent voters to vote the bad ones out.<<

What you are saying sounds good in theory, but the truth is that in practice it is not possible. The fact is that our incumbent friendly system has got to a point where the likelihood of a incumbent Congress member rewinning his or her own seat is a near certainty. Reelection in the House in 2006 and 2008 -- years of 'change' -- remained right in line with the long-term average of about 95%.

With incumbent reelection almost assured (except in cases of death or indictment) parties reserve resources for open seats, where both parties have an opportunity to win. The parties do not recruit or fund serious opponents to incumbents except in special circumstances. In 2008 there were 55 unopposed seats where elections were simply not held. Many more were challenged, but only by grossly underfunded candidates and gadflies.

Look at where most of our liberty candidates are and you'll see what I mean.

Term limits mandate open, competitive seats every 8 years, or whatever the term limit is on the seat. It gives citizens more opportunities to run, give voters more meaningful choices to vote for, reduces the importance of seniority, broadens the pool of people with intimate government experience, and improves the incentives faced by politicians.

Right now, long-term incumbents are undefeatable and run all the committees. Our Founders valued rotation in office and we got it for our first century or so. We didn't have today's certain incumbent reelection in this country until the 1950s.

The Pauls and Jim DeMint are right about term limits. We need them in Washington DC if real change is to be possible.

Term Limits are a Must, Agreed

I have been working on a way to impose Term Limits, and actual Equality of Laws, and Fiscal Responsibility within our Government. I agree that leaving the matter to the Congressperson themselves is nothing more than a joke. We need, as "We the People" to do what we know has been needed for decades now, STOP THE CORRUPTION IN CONGRESS.
I hope that you and your forum would take a look at my suggestions as I believe this is the only way Constitutionally for the People to impose Further Limits on Congress as stated in Article 5.
Check it out, http://limitsoncongressnow.org
When the Founders spoke of Redress they didn't lay out the format for the People to implement or force their will on the Government. They probably believed the Government Officials would actually pay attention to their constituents. Sorry situation they don't!

Yes, and when asked

how a liberty-minded person can support the state's stripping away of a constituent's right to repeatedly re-elect their representative, I respond that power and influence is so seniority-based in Congress that the ballot box choice is no choice at all.

The first 5 million supporters of Dr. Paul are 'early adopters.' The next 10 million will require a modified approach.

Yes, term limits reduce political power

You are so right. Here's Rand Paul speaking to that point from his campaign website:

"Some pundits like to remark that we already have term limits they’re called “elections.” This glib response ignores the fact that incumbent U.S. Senators start each election cycle with an average of $8 million dollars in the bank. The average US Representative starts with over $1 million in the bank.

"Most of this incumbent cash comes in the form of $5000 checks from special interest groups that want federal contracts or federal favors. The challenger must raise his or her contributions largely from individuals, typically averaging under $100 per check.

"Is it any wonder that incumbents win almost every election?"

For his full position on term limits, see:
http://www.randpaul2010.com/issues/q-z/term-limits/

Blog updated to include Rand Paul on term limits

I updated my blog to include the Rand Paul quotes.

"Last year another committed term limits supporter -- Florida's Rep. Tom Rooney -- snuck into Congress. With Rand, maybe we'll see another, and perhaps many others, in 2010. After all, polls show popular support for term limits at an all-time high and incumbents at a low.

"Let's pop this question to all Congressional candidates during the next election cycle: Do you support Congressional term limits?"

See "Like Father, Like Son on Term Limits":
http://pblumel.blogspot.com/2009/08/rand-paul-like-father-li...

Ron Paul on term limits

For a review of Ron's similar position on term limits, see:
http://pblumel.blogspot.com/2008/11/ron-paul-i-support-term-...

An excerpt:

Rep. Paul most recently reiterated his support for term limits publically in his Dec. 23, 2007, appearance on Meet the Press, where interviewer Tim Russert grilled the Congressman for the alleged contradiction between his tenure and his support for limits on tenure.

"I support term limits," Rep. Paul told Russert. But Rep. Paul pointed out that he does not and has never supported the idea of self-limiting, but only a term limit requirement on the entire Congress.

-pb