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An interesting tour of Independence Hall Today; A rewriting of history?

Has anyone been to Philadelphia lately and taken a tour of Independence Hall? It has been about eight or nine years for me and my how things change. Jefferson being dismissed as an unimportant voice in our country's development. Focusing on those who caused descent, tea party, and others, as trouble makers and asking if we would have been better off without those voices. There was a negative slant towards the defenders of liberty. I was shocked. There was talk of the ninth, tenth ammendments being nullified by the 14th amendment and terms like globalizaition and coming together as one world community will be our new focus and it is was impossible for our constitution to see this when it was crafted. Is this an attempt to rewrite history? Influence younger generations? The guide hardly talked about the building and focused more on his own slanted version of history. Maybe I'm hypersensitive but this seemed very odd and I can't remember our last tour being like this. Anyone else experience this at a national park?



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I went on a tour there late

I went on a tour there late last month and am happy to say I didn't quite have that experience. My tour guide seemed to give a pretty fair review of the history

I will try to ID that tour guide Mon. afternoon, Aug. 20th

Indep. Hall is about a 20 min. or so walk for me. My guess is that the same three or four people give tours on weekdays and that it should be easy to establish this guy's name from his description. I'll get down there at 2:30 to hit the same time slot. After I figure out who he is, I will ask how a group might be able to get that person as their guide ("...because friends reported that he was so good!"). Ordinarily, people get their free tickets for assigned tour times which means that they wouldn't know which guide would be assigned to them.

I'll report back here late Mon. or early Tues. concerning what I find.

If we can set up a tour with this guy, I would encourage everyone to speak their minds but to be civil. On the other hand, we could also send letters to our U.S. Senators and Congressmen demanding that he be fired. IMO, they would be sensitive, at least publicly, to charges that a tour guide at Indep. Hall is maligning the Founders. That said, I will wait to hear it for myself.

Yours very truly,

Schvenzlerman!

Awesome!

Agent Schvenzlerman; your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to infiltrate Independence Hall and conduct reconnaissance on possible un-American activity. If you are captured, we will of course deny any knowledge of your existence, or association with the Liberty Movement.

I like the idea of a field trip with several other modern

day patriots. Imagine the Q and A section with this type of tour guide from about twenty or so libertarian minded people who were educated and a solid foundation in history. I was just shocked at his attempt to minimize everything. He used the word mythology to describe the greatness of alot of the men who fought for this country back then, but the global agenda was pretty obvious. Even some of my family members who were on the tour were disgusted with the guy and couldn't believe what he was saying. One more thing; he was speaking about holidays in regards to the 4th of July and September 17th, Constitution Day (I think I have the day right), and then he got on a rant about Christmas being a corrupt religious holiday. I know some of my friends who aren't believers may make the agrument about Christianity stealing from pagan folk lore, but what does that have to do with Independence Hall? Anyway, when in Philly take the tour and question these guides, and get a Pat's cheeseteak :)

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

i think

it's a great idea.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

Maybe they would like to

Maybe they would like to rewrite the monetary effects of our past system ..
They can gladly pay us all back what we gave, sweat & blood ..
Let's see them do that ..Then I'll be satisfied with their rehtoric.
I already paid for my SSI & Medicare, now they want me to pay AGAIN...
The correct term for NWO is COALITION.
Good people ,do Good deeds
and are no respecter of person

"Interpretive history"

Traditional=bad

How old...

was your guide, this white male with big glasses? A depression-era guide would certainly give you a different diatribe than an MTV-generation guide! Freakin' hippies!!! Oh boy...I'm starting to sound like Cartman....
Winston Smith is alive and well and living in Philadelphia!!!

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BC
Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

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BC
Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

I would say late 40's or early 50's...

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

i have not been there in years

thanks to your post, i will go soon.
looks like some re-education is in order.
it is astonishing the number of "educated" people i have met that espouse the same views.
maybe it's something in the water?

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

A mountain of lies

how can we wash them away to expose the truth?

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

What day and time was your tour?

I'd like to take the same tour. Also, what did the tour guide look like? A name would be better, but I assume that you cannot recall.

i can't get down there

during the work week, but if you'd like to make a class trip one weekend i'd be up for it. i am roughly 45 minutes from there.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

It was the 2:45pm tour on Thursday, and it was a white gentleman

with big glasses.

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

Sorry to direct you to

Sorry to direct you to another thread, but I posted something about a book on Thomas Jefferson--"The American Sphinx," by Joseph Ellis--that perfectly illustrates what you are talking about. Ellis discredits Jefferson's ideals of smaller government by labelling him as a radical, psychologically disfunctional utopian. I gave a list of quotes from the book...take a look...

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/103908

There's more than one comment I made in the thread, but it is the one closest to the top.

Sad that "educated" people prefer to write Jefferson off like this.

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson

Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.

Thanks for the book idea, I'll check it out....

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

Glad to see you checked out

Glad to see you checked out what I wrote, but don't give Joseph Ellis the pleasure of making any more money from his assertions regarding Jefferson. Borrow the book from your local library, please...

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson

Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.