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"Bringing a weapon to a rally isn't about exercising your own rights -- it's about threatening other people's rights"
Submitted by Briefcase on Sun, 08/23/2009 - 18:00
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/08/22/sirota_guns/ This ignorant article is proof these 2nd amendment activists are needed. » |
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Mr. Sirota was a member of Obama's campaign staff
so the article is not exactly an "independent viewpoint."
maybe someone should limit their 1st ammendment rights... LOL
The Liberty a society retains is inversely proportional to the number of Lawyers in the Government.
The Liberty a society retains is inversely proportional to the number of Lawyers in the Government.
The biggest threat to our
The biggest threat to our rights is the illegitimate growth of government and the corresponding loss our our Rights, specifically those enumerated in the Bill of Rights.
American citizens have a RIght to Keep and Bear Arms, and if some politicians, or some journalists or any other criminals don't like it, they can consider moving to a more "civilized" nation like Cuba or China or maybe North Korea. Americans don't feel threatened when they see police carrying firearms. Why would they feel threatened by the sight of themselves being armed? The only people who would justifiably feel threatened by the sight of armed citizens are tyrants or potential tyrants.
The idea that we should submit to "gun control" by our Criminal Class, the very people most likely to abuse our freedoms is insane. The Founders gave us the Right to Keep and Bear Arms to protect us against tyranny. Honest, law abiding public servants are in favor of an armed citizenry. Any politician who is offended or feels threatened by the people being armed is suspect.
Politicians who are opposed to the concept of the people keeping and bearing arms are just plain un-American.
I can't truly describe how hard I laughed...
at this assinine assertion. I am going to assume that we can all agree that exercise of one's rights is required in a free society and that if one is with in their rights, they are by definition, not impinging the rights of another. So, just on a base level, if there were no guns, don't you think we'd be bringing sticks and rocks, pitchforks and axes to these town hall meetings as an exercise of our rights? I know my axe is sharp, just so I DON'T have to use it.
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First of all it was OK'd
First of all it was OK'd .That means it is a ploy to get gun owner votes for healthcare or just trying to make gun owners look foolish PERIOD , you decide..
At least they can't label the guy a right wing , white, supremesist..
.Good people do Good deeds
and are no respecter of person
You make some of the most moronic statements I've ever read
*** "First of all it was OK'd" *** Really? How do you know?
I'm positive you don't know William, and I'm equally certain that you have no clue as to why he carries his weapon with him.
Another reason I'm not a liberal Democrat
If I were running as a politician in an open carry state I'd invite people to take their guns to my rallies. First, there'd just be the fun of upsetting the gun grabbers so. Second, I'd be the best protected politician ever.
Every time these people give
Every time these people give these trite, emotional responses, I wonder if they feel the same way about law enforcement and why not.
Unbelievable! How dense can
Unbelievable! How dense can one possibly be and still pass oneself off as a "best selling author"? In America today, which group of people does this guy think are most likely to find themselves at the receiving end of a gun barrel for acting in opposition to the other side; those making speeches behind a wall of armed security at "political meetings", or those relegated to merely listening in and paying for the circus? 17 years ago yesterday, Vicki Weaver found that out the hard way. Wonder if our concerned author were equally concerned about the guns being carried, and even used, during that incidence.
One can also wonder if this clown really thinks Hitler would have gotten as far as he did with his idiocy if every German, especially those opposed to his great "plan" for Germany, showed up at his rallies properly armed. If there is a problem with armaments at these meetings, it is that the regular citizens in attendance, are in no way armed to the point where they actually do put healthy fear into the hearts of those supposed to be their "servants."
If everybody would exercise ALL of their rights
nobodys rights would be threaten
You hit the nail on the head.
The sovereign rights muscles have atrophied from lack of use. These must be exercised daily for ultimate performance.
Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow
blountruth makes a good point below.
Also I was very impressed by comments Salon.com following the article.
That is not the usual Leftish knee-jerk, unthinking forum. A lot of people are independent thinkers there.
Would you or somebody
else direct me as to where I can find those comments??? I just wasted several minutes there looking for the comment section....and cannot locate it...
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What is the big deal...
The gentleman has an open carry permit. Doesn't matter what the event was...he broke no law. A gun doesn't do anything as it is just a tool that can be used for good or bad. Generally, when someone is going to use a gun to commit a crime, they don't reveal the gun prior to the act and they sure do not hang around displaying the gun. Those that feel threatened or intimidated by the public display of a firearm are people that are ignorant and have never been around guns. And don't police carry guns and tazers? There are many dysfunctional and crooked cops that are armed to the teeth. I worry much more about a rogue cop or government spook with a gun than I do a liberty loving patriot exercising his Constitutional rights. I hope to see many more good guys with guns in the future and I hope we can get more states to adopt open carry laws. Never mind the whining libs and lovers of gubberment force, they have no logical argument...just fear and ignorance. I believe Mr. Kostric has set a wonderful example...Let's see more of it!
ditto!
my sentiments, exactly...
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Well of course a gun at a
Well of course a gun at a rally could be considered intimidating ,depending on which side the gun is on ..But this deal was a pre planned gun carry event..This pre planned gun carry event, in my opinion, may have been attempted to gain Obama healthcare plan sympothy, from the right.. ?????
It is definatly being made into a tool for someone.
Good people do Good deeds
and are no respecter of person
Say what?
A gun could be considered intimidating depending upon which side the gun was on?
I'd think the people toting loaded weapons at the event that had those weapons aimed at people with the safety off, trigger finger at the ready, 'just in case' would be the dangerous ones.
I agree to a point.
Just leave off the " 's rights" and I'm down with it:
Bringing [an open-carry] weapon to a rally isn't about exercising your own rights -- it's about threatening other people, namely politicians. We're just reminding them of the purpose behind the second amendment, tyrannicide. We're offering them some non-verbal advice, "You work for us so quit messing with our liberty, or else!"
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Many pro-Liberty comments
Many pro-Liberty comments are being posted to that article. Seems as though the readers do not agree with the author.
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That is some of the most....
Ignorant bullshit i have had the displeasure of reading....and the insidious word "Democracy" Ugh!!! No wonder this country is going all to helll...
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What is really funny is...
The author of the salon article is using his/her first amendment right to do the very thing he is afraid of someone exercising their second amendment will do.... Kind of ironic.
The Left, They love their rights so long as they get to use them against their political opponentes while suppressing others. Socialist much?
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
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Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, and set those BRUSH FIRES everywhere you go and in all you do!
Back in 2004, Republicans
Back in 2004, Republicans considered it perfectly OK to exclude from the President's presence, even at supposedly open town meetings, anyone with a T-shirt criticizing the war or supporting Kerry or even anyone with a Democratic sticker on their car. Not merely banished from Bush's immediate presence, but from a "zone" of at least a block in all directions.
Now Republicans are encouraging people to bring firearms to Obama's public appearances. And this at the same time that some of them are calling Obama a "traitor" and/or "usuerper". You don't have to be Nostradamus to see where this could lead.
The end result, very likely, is new legislation that would trim back the open carry laws and probably even impose new restrictions.
Shoonra
You must have missed, back in 2004, the commuter buses up in Londonderry, Concord, Manchester... NH being subject to surprise "bomb-sniffing" dogs along their route to Boston. Starting about two weeks BEFORE the DNC! You must have missed the commuter revolts, because the news never reported on it.
You must have missed the angry North End restaurant owners, complaining that they had to shut down for several days. Tens of thousands of pounds of food they had in stock- wasted.
But the MSM never reported on that DNC fiasco, did they?
or the dozens of CCTV cameras set up for that event, which still remain around Boston.
You missed a lot, because this is not about Republicans Vs. Democrats.
"Repubilicans are encouraging people to bring firearms" ?
I must have missed that. I would say unConstitutional tryanical politicians are encouraging liberty minded folks to exercise their Constitional rights.
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I agree that it could be a powder keg!
Bussing in out of state union members to be aggressive could do the same thing. I can see small riots break out, but with the knowledge that the crowd might be armed, it might just keep the thugs in line. If you watch YouTube instead of the MSM you can see that they have been instructed to start trouble with those that oppose Obama care. It is a dangerous situation, but even the individual in N.H. that carried was nearly assaulted until the guy saw the gun on his hip. So to take away the ability to exercise the second while promoting interrupting the 1st (peacefully assemble) I do not know who is the most dangerous. I do know that many that CCW's will not brandish their firearm unless they fear for their life, so I do not think that the majority if any trouble will start from these people, but it has shown useful to stop assaults by the union members bused in from out of state as in the video.
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
~Mark Twain
Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, and set those BRUSH FIRES everywhere you go and in all you do!
These gun-toting geniuses
These gun-toting geniuses have already planned a Million Armed Man March on Washington. Very cute. That just might spell the end of open carry laws in most places.
Nearly every public building in downtown DC. including the museums, have the airport-type X-rays and arches to make sure nobody is packing.
Even those Congressmen who have the NRA logo branded on their buttocks have enacted strict laws against any sort of weapon inside the Capitol or any of the Congressional office buildings.
The security guards enforcing these rules have a sharp memory of what happened to the door guard at the Holocaust Museum only two months ago. All it takes is one guy - drunk, crazy, or excited - with a gun for a disaster to happen, and now someone wants a million guys with guns all clustered together to hear provocative speeches.
If this Million Armed Man March took place, instead, in NYC, they'd have similar inconveniences -- but NYC isn't the home of the Congress. Doing it in DC means the Congressmen will be panicked enough to pass new restrictions on carrying firearms, and some may even try sandpapering off their NRA tattoos.
I am sure that the Secret Service, and others, have figured that getting some guy(s) to openly carry a weapon somewhere near the Prez or his route in or out of a event will attract enough official attention that someone else with a weapon (possibly concealed and possibly with a better view of the Prez) will be overlooked.
Obama has been extraordinarily gutsy going to town meetings when it meant being in the line of fire of some protesters carrying guns. Good for him. Back in 2004, Dubya wouldn't go to any such gathering unless it were completely weeded of anyone with an anti-war teeshirt or even a bumper sticker on their car, and any excluded had to stay at least a block away and out of Bush's sight.
So you believe that if people excercise their 'rights'...
...that'll be cause for the government to take that 'right' away'?