A funny thing happened on the way to the Moon - Were those Americans on the Moon or not ?

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Space isn't a perfect vaccum.

once you get past the van allen belts it's a chaotic nuclear storm.

Look at comet tails if you don't believe me. And when Solar Flares are strong they can push back the Van Allen magnetosphere belt and disable satellites.

http://ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm

And supposedly we subjected astronauts to this during a solar maximum year of solar flairs with nothing more than a thin aluminum hull.

Seems a bit odd to me.

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yes

I laughed.. if you do it I will.. hehehe

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8)

I went outside for a minute, and DANG!!!

I see if there are any left.

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Care to let anyone in on the secret here?

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

I just saw you and oruval having a lot of fun -- I get the

feeling that there is more to the story here.

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

September 1st

is Rhino day.. a day that will live in infamy. I'm going to be bumping all my favorite Rhino posts and suggest others do too.

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What makes today so infamous?

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

Who Built the Moon?

Check out the book "Who Built the Moon?" by Christopher Knight & Alan Butler.

Here is something interesting

H. J. P. Arnold is an astronomer and keen photographer, an expert on space and astrophotography and was the assistant to the Managing Director at Kodak during the Apollo years. He has authored many space photography books. He comments that the film that was supplied by Kodak for the missions was essentially the same as used here on Earth. it was ektachrome 64 ASA or ISO as it is called today. He has commented that you would expect to see some small dots on the films where a high velocity nuclear particle had hit the film, however no evidence of this whatsoever has come forward. The only thing that would protect the film from this damage would be a thick layer of lead around the camera casing, which according to Hasselblad was not used. Let's also remember that the films were changed whilst outside on the Moon's surface and not in a controlled environment.

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

I know for certain that outside the van allen belt of earth something like the lunar surface is bombarded with radiation from the sun. and well... it's very dangerous to living organisms without protection such as thick lead plating.

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That's POPPY COCK !!!!!

I just wanted to say that....

Film is very sensitive to light, as it is radiation.

Also, have you ever wondered why every thing is in perfect focus. things in the foreground, are in just as good a focus as the background.

Usually ( on Earth anyway ) when you focus on something close, what is behind is slightly blurred.

Food for thought.

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Glaring Internal Inconsistencies In Your Arguments

You said: "have you ever wondered why every thing is in perfect focus...Usually ( on Earth anyway ) when you focus on something close, what is behind is slightly blurred."

If you are trying to make the point that the moon landing was faked and actually filmed on Earth, then how does saying that pictures taken on Earth are usually blurry but the fake moon landing pictures (which you believe were taken on Earth) are clear advance that point?

In regard to the rover not leaving tracks -- how does that advance the argument that the moon landing was filmed on Earth? Vehicles on Earth leave tracks, don't they?

Why do you want to hurt Ron Paul ?!?

Just kidding..8)

My insinuation is that there was possibly a green screen, or that photos were merged. Most likely the latter.
The inconsistencies in the alignment crosshairs on the lense, with objects supposedly in the foreground, are covering the crosshairs, suggesting that there was some super imposing going on..
I could go into more detail, but I would rather you research it for yourself.

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Why Superimpose or Use a Green Screen When It Isn't Needed?

Follow the links below to see photos of Apollo astronauts training in a desert on Earth. Objects in the foreground and the background are as clear as in the moon landing photos. No photographic tricks were needed to produce these photos. If no trickery was needed to produce such photos which were admittedly taken on Earth then why would trickery be needed to produce clear, faked images on Earth in order to convince people that they were taken on the moon?

See: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Apollo_desert_surviva...

See: http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1190/images/coverphoto.jpg

Ron Paul Doesn't Consider Moon Voyage Impossible

SPACE - DOMESTIC POLICY
Ron Paul Presidential Campaign
Position Paper
(1988)

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Time after time NASA has developed capabilities at great expense then discarded them: a space station larger than the Soviet MIR, a heavy lift vehicle competitive with the new Soviet Energia, a nuclear engine twice as efficient as the space shuttle main engine and a well tested Earth-Moon transport.

The fate of the Saturn V heavy lift launch vehicle is one of the saddest examples of this folly. Production was intentionally halted and portions of its tooling were "lost". This bridge burning ensured support for the next aerospace welfare program: the space shuttle. Now we have a grounded government shuttle that can lift a third as much as the Saturn V for the same cost per pound. That's progress, government style.

To be fair, the Apollo

To be fair, the Apollo Program gave us ball point pens that you do not have to shake to get started. (Come to think of it, I think it was a private company that did that. But still. They answered the call.)

And Tang.

Don't forget Tang.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

good job

way to avoid the questions presented.

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That play

is called the old Ron Paul Hail Mary.

I'm surprised he didn't say "You're hurting Ron Paul".

Yep, the ole plan B fall back.

When you have nothing, you go for the RP Hail Mary.

His post didn't even address anything about the moon landing.

Weaksauce...

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Here's 33 things that need to be answered!

1) Sceptics argue that the lack of stars on Moon photographs is acceptable, despite zero atmosphere to obscure the view. Yuri Gagarin, pronounced the stars to be "astonishingly brilliant". See the official NASA pictures above that I have reproduced that show 'stars' in the sky, as viewed from the lunar surface. And why exactly do you think there are hardly any stars visible on Apollo films taken from the Moon? The answers simple - Professional astronomers would quickly calculate that the configuration and distances of star formations were incorrect and so NASA had to remove them to make sure they could keep up the scam.

2) The pure oxygen atmosphere in the module would have melted the Hasselblad's camera covering and produced poisonous gases. Why weren't the astronauts affected?

3) There should have been a substantial crater blasted out under the LM's 10,000 pound thrust rocket. Sceptics would have you believe that the engines only had the power to blow the dust from underneath the LM as it landed. If this is true, how did Armstrong create that famous boot print if all the dust had been blown away?

4) Sceptics claim that you cannot produce a flame in a vacuum because of the lack of oxygen. So how come I have footage on this page showing a flame coming from the exhaust of an Apollo lander? (Obviously the sceptics are wrong or the footage shows the lander working in an atmosphere)

5) Footprints are the result of weight displacing air or moisture from between particles of dirt, dust, or sand. The astronauts left distinct footprints all over the place.

6) The Apollo 11 TV pictures were lousy, yet the broadcast quality magically became fine on the five subsequent missions.

7) Why in most Apollo photos, is there a clear line of definition between the rough foreground and the smooth background?

8) Why did so many NASA Moonscape photos have non parallel shadows? sceptics will tell you because there is two sources of light on the Moon - the Sun and the Earth... That maybe the case, but the shadows would still fall in the same direction, not two or three different angles and Earth shine would have no effect during the bright lunar day (the time at which the Apollo was on the Moon).

9) Why did one of the stage prop rocks have a capital "C" on it and a 'C' on the ground in front of it?

10) How did the fibreglass whip antenna on the Gemini 6A capsule survive the tremendous heat of atmospheric re-entry?

11) In Ron Howard's 1995 science fiction movie, Apollo 13, the astronauts lose electrical power and begin worrying about freezing to death. In reality, of course, the relentless bombardment of the Sun's rays would rapidly have overheated the vehicle to lethal temperatures with no atmosphere into which to dump the heat build up.

12) Who would dare risk using the LM on the Moon when a simulated Moon landing was never tested?

13) Instead of being able to jump at least ten feet high in "one sixth" gravity, the highest jump was about nineteen inches.

14) Even though slow motion photography was able to give a fairly convincing appearance of very low gravity, it could not disguise the fact that the astronauts traveled no further between steps than they would have on Earth.

15) If the Rover buggy had actually been moving in one-sixth gravity, then it would have required a twenty foot width in order not to have flipped over on nearly every turn. The Rover had the same width as ordinary small cars.

More:

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

2) Pure oxygen environments

2) Pure oxygen environments were eliminated from the Apollo program after the Apollo 1 fire which killed Grissom, White and Chaffee.

Hey Meister

I think they left pure oxygen in the LM though..Due to the cost of weight (carrying another tank of something else like Nitrogen). The pressure was low, at about 5psi. as opposed to 15psi on Earth.. Not sure if that makes a difference.
I know it does to the people breathing it..it HAS to be low pressure to avoid seizures, and other problems of oxygen poisoning.

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Thanks, TC

You are correct, sir.

Your ethos is impeccable.

So that means

your cherry picking point was wrong then? Sorry, the need to be captain obvious was overwhelming.

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The Larger Point

..is that folks like Thundercloud are not so committed to an idea that they are willing to overlook facts. My mistaken argument supported Thundercloud's position yet he is intelligent and ethical enough to know that a sound argument can not rest on a foundation of misinformation. His integrity is to be applauded.

I make an effort to be right about everything. This is not a matter of pride but of performance. If one can show me where I am in error, I do not go off on all kinds of tangential issues like "look at Neil Armstrong's body language -- it proves he is a liar!" but rather I admit the error and move on.

So you're saying body language

isn't a precursor to someone hiding something..

You sir need to buy my newest castor oil. It revitalizes the labedo as well as cures the common cold and helps regrow hair.

keep trying tho I'm sure at some point you'll figure it out, and at every other point I'll be your captain obvious.

Oh and in no uncertain terms I can tell someone they are correct when they are. You seem to be stroking an ego because he called your error.

Then again I don't mind calling your bullshit by goading you, because I see you do it on a daily basis. You just hide it behind a veil of searching for impeccability. So in other words don't dish it if you cant take it sweety..

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Body language

is 70% of communication.

That is what I was taught when I was a corporate trainer, anyway...

You can tell whether people are interested in what you have to teach, or say, by their body language mostly, so there is some validity to it.

Care to take a stab, at any of the other questions there meister?
You're 0 for 1 so far.

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