Facebook: "No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick,"

I had two people post this shite on my facebook. I responded to both with the same first response. One wrote back and here is the exchange:

Them :" No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick. If you agree, please post this as your status for the rest of the day."

Me: I agree. That is why we should all contribute as much as possible to help others. If we all really believe the above statement, then our own charitable contributions will make any government intervention or use of force unnecessary. If our voluntary contributions DON'T solve the problem, then that means we don't really believe the above statement.

Using government force can't achieve social change, it can only curtail freedom and inflame hatred.

And never forget - the easiest job in the world is being generous with OTHER people's money.

Them: "Charity is at the whim of the giving individiuals. Institutionalized programs can be counted on for those who need them. Health care for every individual cannot occur depending on just those who have a social conscious."

Me: I am sure you would agree that it would be wrong to force health care workers to work for free. That is simply slavery. It is no different and equally wrong to force other people to work for free by confiscating their wages and giving those wages to the health care workers.

If we can't resolve our problems without threatening each other with violence - which is at the root of every government act - then we just have to live with our problems.

Them: "My wages are confiscated everyday for things I would not support if they were not taken from me. And this does not make me a slave. It makes me a responsible citizen of the USA."

Me:I have a problem with having our property and freedom taken under threat of violence to then have it used to enrich oil companies, drug companies, banks, military industries, unions, and other elite special interests and to finance the slaughter of innocent people - or at least people who are not a threat to us - all over the world.

The rush to "fix" the health care system (which the government broke in the first place) is just a diversion to keep people from focusing on the fact that the current administration is continuing the contemptible policies of the last administration - escalating our aggressive world empire, increasing domestic spying, borrowing money from future generations and giving it to Wall Street and the Banks, and generally running the economy into the ground.

I agree that you are not a slave, but only because you still have a choice to not work. Of course then you starve. Not much of a choice, is it?

That's it so far. Got a dialog going anyway.

Thinks no one should be forced into poverty/welfare BEFORE they get sick for having to pay for mandatory health insurance. People are uninsured because: 1) lack of money, and/or 2) not wanting it. Mandatory health insurance, even on a sliding scale, hurts the very people (above poverty line) it claims to be helping and violates health freedoms. (If you agree, please post this as your status for the rest of the day.)

In 1875, Karl Marx said "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

In 2009, Barack Obama (apparently) said "No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick"

10 minutes ago, George W. Bush said "Duhhhh, is Karl Marx related to Harpo and Groucho?"

If you agree with my lame joke, please post this as your status for the rest of the century :-)

I like my socialist-like friends.. atleast they're honest....

*I have ommitted names..

No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick. If you agree, please post this as your status for the rest of the day.

ME: If you as an individual want to help other individuals with their healthcare through charity that is very admirable but to believe that the government should use force or create wealth out of thin air to provide for 'free' healthcare is not in line with what a constitutional Republic stands for via our constitution. We've had government involved in... Read More healthcare for some 40 years with HMO's medicare/aide etc.. and people don't seem to like it (what we have) and all their programs are bankrupted aswell but anywhooo. Other than that I agree with you :D

hope i don't come off as too much of an ass :P I just really like politicking..er

FRIEND: I've got more of a socialist view, so I think people's basic needs should be provided for. Whether or not that lines up with our constitution is unimportant to me. If everyone had an equal chance at success and wealth, perhaps I would be more in support of capitalism. But when, just by birth-chance, you can be born into wealth (Paris Hilton, for... Read More example), or by race or class you're almost condemned to doing worse in life, despite your efforts... I don't think capitalism should apply fully.
I've used Badgercare, and I appreciated it. I know a lot of people in poverty who cannot afford insurance appreciate it, too.

ME: I have a lot to say but no will to type right now so at the very least i'll say I respect a person who can share there own views without getting angry at other people's views.. for that I thanks you :)

CAN ANYBODY HELP ME I POSTED ANOTHER COMMENT but i dont just want to recycle my old argument- thats not how i roll. :P
I dunno... once people start admitting they're socialist to me I lose patience as i feel my words r falling on deaf ears (or blind eyes as it may be) I love you people on this board XD

"The politics of failure have failed! We need to make them work again!" Kang
-=Sui Juris

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Would you realy want a system working on you that does NOT make a profit ? Man that is a scary thought..Who would give a crap what kind of job they do...OK just pile them over there.
Profit is the reward for a job WELL done.. Competition keeps the profits honest value. Without either you get Canada & Britain..Without personal consumer retribution you have NO competition.
Good people do Good deeds
and are no respecter of person

Why are all these people posting this particular statement at the same point in time?

Dexterszyd thinks no one should die being bombed, shot or tortured by the U.S. government, nor go broke as a result of the government's inflationary monetary and fiscal policy and the extraordinarily inefficient practices and corruption endemic to big gove...rnment. More government control over medicine will only empower the imperialists in DC. If you agree, please post this as your status for the rest of the day

For Freedom!

healthcare is a product which we buy. Healthcare one of the few services we purchase without knowing the price before we do so. If you believe this statement then you must ask yourself this simple question. SHOULD GOODS AND SERVICES BE SUPPLIED WITH FORCE OR BY THE BARREL OF A GUN? Our problem with healthcare lies in the fact that government has been involved in healthcare for some 40 years or more.. what with HMO's and medicare & medicade (all of which are BROKE!) What we need to do is get the government out of healthcare and allow for competition in a free market place. Laser eye surgery is one of the few services not covered by insurance and not subject to government intervention.. as much; and yet the price has steadily been going down over the years. We need the government out of the way of fixing/propping up prices via the federal reserve; an entity that is about as federal as federal express.... and back to what we had prior to government intervention and work from there if need There are still free clinics around the country and charitable hospitals (a famous one in L.A.) and christian/religious groups. Once again, should goods/services be supplied at the barrel of a gun?

What do you guys think? :D

"The politics of failure have failed! We need to make them work again!" Kang
-=Sui Juris

I almost wanted to scream. Wrote a bunch of stuff and then didn't send it. I know I'm weak, but I didn't want to fight it out. But then again will be complain when it's too late. In the end I think it would be a waste of my time. Too many are brainwashed at this point to change them. The Titanic will have to sink for people to realize that it's over.