Requesting arguments in support of a couple marrying, rather than living together

5 Reasons Why Christians Should Not Obtain a State Marriage License

http://mercyseat.net/BROCHURES/marriagelicense.htm

1. The definition of a "license" demands that we not obtain one to marry. Black’s Law Dictionary defines "license" as, "The permission by competent authority to do an act which without such permission, would be illegal."

2. When you marry with a marriage license, you grant the State jurisdiction over your marriage. When you marry with a marriage license, your marriage is a creature of the State. It is a corporation of the State! Therefore, they have jurisdiction over your marriage including the fruit of your marriage.

3. When you marry with a marriage license, you place yourself under a body of law which is immoral.

4. The marriage license invades and removes God-given parental authority.

5. When you marry with a marriage license, you are like a polygamist. From the State’s point of view, when you marry with a marriage license, you are not just marrying your spouse, but you are also marrying the State.

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Could you have made your question any longer? Didn't get through it, but got the jist in the 1st paragraph.

You DON'T need the state to be 'married'. You and your other half agree that you have a commitment and that you will go by the same rules that other 'married' couples do. You know what they are. Leave the state out of it.

I've been with my 'wife' for 16 years, and have 4 awesome children together. We have no marriage license with the state, but believe me, we are as spiritually married as anybody here. We wear rings. She has my last name, as do our kids of course.

LEAVE UNCLE SAM OUT OF IT!

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Fossils Rock!

1) Women have the goodies.
2) Men want the goodies.
3) This gives women the power to demand men behave responsibly.
(Get a job, stay out of prison)
4) Intelligent women don't give the goodies away without getting a good return on their investment, like marriage, commitment. If a man can just walk away, there's no commitment.
5) It should be remembered adult males and females do not live together in the chimpanzee and gorilla world. Adult males only come around when it's time to multiply.
6) Do we want to revert to their way of life?
7) Stable marriages are the rock of civilization. Our society doesn't believe this, but the most important roles are mother and father. They are raising the future. every child needs a mother and father who are married with all living under the same roof.
This was not a religious argument.

First, I don't believe anyone should get married unless they truly believe it is a God-given expectation and blessing. In the beginning God saw that man alone was not good so Eve was created for Adam and Adam for Eve. They complemented each other. If you believe this, then you believe that marriage is a blessing, not a curse. Also, marriage is an announcement and pledge to your partner, in front of witnesses, that you will do all that your vows say you will do. It is a public ceremony to announce a contract that you have made, which binds you to that contract. It doesn't sound very romantic but it is supposed to be an assurance to the other person that they are that important to you that you would never forsake them and you hold them above all others. Marriage, in the ideal sense, is wonderful. Who wouldn't want the security of knowing there is some very special person who loves you that much?

Second, marriages lasted in the past because they had to. Partners relied upon one another. They didn't have the State willing to step in and pay their bills, if they chose to bail out. The had a farm and responsibilities that could not be done alone. They needed each other to survive. So, even if they didn't get along perfectly, they stuck together. Was it ideal? Probably not in a lot of cases. But our grandparents are evident that it can be very special.

Third, I believe modern-day media in the form of TV, movies, music and books have done a great job of giving people the impression that marriage is one long honeymoon. When the girl wakes up to find that it is not, then she becomes disillusioned. The young man wakes up to find that she doesn't always have nice breath and has mood swings. Off they go to find another because the media tells them they have a right to and romance is the ultimate pursuit.

People don't get married for the right reasons anymore. They don't marry wisely but their hormones more often drive them to. As long as this keeps happening, divorce will keep happening. Also, the State stepping in and taking care of your responsibilities and also imposing their rules on you can make it easier. People are basically very selfish and agape love is a very rare thing.

I love being married because it says we are family. I married my husband and his children. You see, I have done this more than once and know from whence I speak. When I married for the right reasons, it became a tremendous blessing. Not always easy, as others have mentioned, but definitely worth it.

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"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

much easier. I do not believe most males would like it if the mother decided to give the child her maiden name now would they. If she is not married to him, she has every right to do so from what I understand.

I have seen many couples who could not stay married to each other, but end up living together unmarried and happy. Also, couples who have been together for decades unmarried and happy. There are also people who first lived together for 1-2 years, got married, and then divorced after just a few months.

Two independent computers (people), should agree on what they want or don't want. I'm making it sound too easy, it sometimes isn't.

Another consideration that no one discusses is a marriage with a mutually agreed upon expiration date. It would take both people to renew.

In Biblical times, people did not live very long. Now a days, our life span is far greater and so are the life experiences. People have decades to change and that change may either be in the same or vastly different directions.

I have heard statistics that say that people that shack up and then get married just to be married or just to make thier grandmas happy usually leads to divorce and everyone ends up unhappy.

Worse it provides a excuse to stick with each other and have kids with the thinking being that you will eventlually learn to love each other when it fact the relationship only has one meaningful aspect - in the bedroom - but no other shared interests. So getting married only prolongs the agony until both eventually figure out that they were not meant for each other.

I would think this problem would be worse during an economic downturn since there is even more incentive to live together.

from our Lord

I would marry my husband again every day.

But for others it is better to stay single or just live together.

Very individual.

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"God is at home, it's we who have gone out for a walk."
Meister Eckhart

To me, that is the real issue. Once you marry, you and your spouse's property (if enough time passes) falls into community property. All new property bought during marriage also falls inot community property. Children also fall under a quasi community property status. Divorce then becomes the process of becoming an individual again with individual property. She gets half or more, he gets a third, and the attorneys take a third... or at least that is how I see the real world working. Next, children go with the mom (for better or worse). Even in "equal" sharing of the parenting, there is such a thing as the primary residence of the children, the primary caretaker, the person who says, "I want them to get the flue shot" and if you don't, then you'll find the courts have ruled its not so equal cause the primary caretaker parent gets to have the last say -- even if that primary caretaker parent is only having the kids over their house 4 months out of the year....

So for me, marriage a bad bargin.

A better bargin would be to stay NOT MARRIED, yet married in everyother way. When children come, be sure to be the LEGAL parent at birth.

The problem with Marriage is that it is a ONE SIZE CONTRACT that FITS ALL kind of deal. Which is terrible in the sense that as in all relationships different things are agreed to and worked out. Contracts in all other areas of life are UNIQUELY made and worked out to FIT those two (or three or more) parties needs. Yet Government's marriage contract is a one size fits all deal. And it is the only one "Legally Recognized" --- effectively saying that any and all other privately negotiated marriage contracts are null and void. Effectively forcing everyone into the COMMUNITY PROPERTY Law system.

So the only way to avoid that, is to NOT get married and instead do what the gays have been doing for a long time: Make your own private Marriage Cerimony and Private Contract and have that witness among good Friends. Decide on a private Marriage Contract Decider should anything go south (a private judge really).

Gays have had lots of success with this.

Now all other issues such as hospital visitation and so forth can be handled by one page specific private Power of Attoney agreements. Hence, if I go to the hospital I designate Jim Peters to manage all my affairs and I specifically give him permission to visit me in the hospital for any and support, even 'spousal-like' support.

Just a thought....

Now the hard part....

Finding a libertarian female who will think the same way, and FEEL the same way.

The hardest part is the psychological part -- FEELING MARRIED when everything in society works against you to tell you you two are not married. Same with those who choose to have two wives and husband. How the 3 of them must work hard to FEEL married in a world that works against them.

Christianity VS ISLAM is in my view.... a battle over this area -- societal sanction of plural marriage as acceptable. Mankind has solved the problem of human sexuality in two ways, Legalized Monogomy via Marriage and Legalized Polygamy via Marriage. Culturally speaking these two legal systems cannot live side by side, and have not lived side by side historically. What happens in the West, that is if the West starts to LEGALIZE polygamy, then Islam will be in real trouble as it finds itself slowly absorbed culturally into the West. But the West has been active in stamping out polygamy (see the history of the Mormon faith in America) and recall recently Texas and its treatment of thousands of Texas citizens, bording them on busses with Children taken and men and woman separated out....... only based on an unsupstanitated acusation of child molestation (gee does that happen to whole nonmormon towns?) .

In peace & liberty,
Treg