If I write a better Constitution will you all call me "Father"
Submitted by OctoBox on Mon, 09/07/2009 - 15:08Hahahahaha -- Seriously!! ;-) *wink wink*
This question is for the Constitutionalists.
If I write you a Constitution that is 500 words or less (the current is is over 4,500 words) -AND- if it affords you greater freedom will you nominate me (elevate me) to the highest praiseworthy status of "Father of Liberty?"
You could call me "Octo-Pops" or "Octo-Dad" for short, hahahahahahaha.
Also, would you give me a money-bomb of $5,000,000 -- I appreciate cash over praise, but cash and praise is just gravy.
You guys love Money-Bombs so how about one that actually gives you freedom -- yeah yeah, it's only on paper, but how much freedom has any money bomb given you thus far, even on paper?
We the People afix our names and swear Oath to the following:
Central Gov't
#1 "The ZEROs"
-----ZERO Tax Authority (foreign or domestic)
-----ZERO Currency Authority (100% free-market money /credit)
-----ZERO Regulatory Authority (100% Consumer Sovereignty)
-----ZERO Judicial Authority
-----ZERO Lobbying
-----ZERO Foreign Debt Accrual
#2 Central Gov't shall be a 24-Team Naval Meritocracy
-----The 24-Team will be hired owing to resume, education, and business plan presentation. They will be hired by a revolving panel of experts who are pooled annonymously from 4,000 or more such experts -- in the fields of: weaponology, bidding analysis, contract analysis, accounting, efficiency experts, oceanography, and military strategy.
-----This team will be paid from the remainder of their budget (un-used). A very open-source (for all to view) rubric will be used and a public auditing to factor their incentives -- based on: anti-pirate record (safe-guarding our ships and ports), non-international water violations, communication improvements, weaponology improvement, search and rescue, cost accounting, contract bid analysis, efficiency improvement, etc.
-----The 24-Team Meritocracy will hire "employees" from the free-labor pool on a contractual basis (no permanent staff)
-----1% National Sales Tax (to cover budget and incentive plan)
State Gov't
#1 "The ZEROs"
-----ZERO Tax Authority (foreign or domestic)
-----ZERO Currency Authority (100% free-market money / credit)
-----ZERO Regulatory Authority (100% Consumer Sovereignty)
-----ZERO Judicial Authority
-----ZERO Lobbying
-----ZERO Foreign Debt Accrual
#2 State Gov't shall be a 24-Team Army and Air Guard Meritocracy
-----Search and Rescue (disasters only) and Border Patrol
-----Logically Similar Rubric (to assess incentive merit)
-----Logically Similar Hiring "board of experts"
-----3% State Sales Tax (for budget and incentives)
-----ONE 6-year Term
GAO (Gov't Accounting Office)
#1 "The ZEROs"
-----ZERO Tax Authority (foreign or domestic)
-----ZERO Currency Authority (100% free-market money / credit)
-----ZERO Regulatory Authority (100% Consumer Sovereignty)
-----ZERO Judicial Authority
-----ZERO Lobbying
-----ZERO Foreign Debt Accrual
#2 The GAO shall be a 24-Team Foreign Debt Meritocracy
-----One job -- "Pay off all Foreign Debt
-----Logically Similar Rubric (to assess incentive merit)
-----Logically Similar Hiring "board of experts"
-----3% Nation Sales Tax (for budget and incentives)
-----This is a temporary tax-dept until all debt is paid
-----Probably pay off all foreign debt in 6 - 12 years
ZERO Taxing Authority means they cannot add-on to what is established as the maximum (1% or 3%)
That's it: approx 500 Words
Octobox
Ps...I'm kidding about being called "The Father" -- I will take cash though (gold and silver 10 oz bars will work)
Do you even know what the Constitution is???
Do any of you??
Probably not.
The real question should be why are you all following something that you have no idea what it really is?
I reserve the right to govern myself.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
I'm sure some will call you mother :-
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#$%&^&%#%
You beat me to the PUNCHline.
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
~Mark Twain
Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, and set those BRUSH FIRES everywhere you go and in all you do!
Thanks Octo
Settling for a peasley 1% Octo? Why not try the free market? If you're going to compromise with your convictions, why have them?
Just say no.
Force is Force Octo, 1% or 100.00 percent it doesn't matter.
2bfree: Agreed!
You are right "force is force"
The last thing people will be willing to let go of is their "sense" of security.
With all our military hardware at home -- on the borders and within the states -AND- guarding our coastal waters only, they will have their security.
Also, when we move from a corporatist society into a Consumer-Minarchism -- we will have ticked off all dependent countries -- especially our neighbors.
The number 1 reason as I stated: You cannot throw all that hardware (Naval Arsenal - Army Arsenal - Air Force Arsenal) into "anarchy" (where there are no "gov't" court systems -- only voluntary ones).
In that move from Corporatism to Minarchism there are going to be a lot of really p'd off Big Bankers and Wealthy Corporatist -- who do you think will buy up all the hardware (either sell it to a foreign power -- still operating under Statism) or "control" our ports thru Gangsterism.
We must logically transition through a Minarchism before going 100% Tax and State Free.
The Model I wrote reduces you direct and indirect tax expense from 80-90% of your income to 7%.
This country has never known that level of prosperity -- You wouldn't know what to do with an ever increasing in value dollar (currency).
Just imagine if you could live at the same level you are now -- with another 93% of your "nominal" and "real" income available to you?
Consumer-Minarchism with the Meritocracies I created must (given the ZEROs) lead towards Consumer-Individualism.
Remember the "GAO" portion of my model drops off once all foreign debt is paid (what? maybe 12 years) -- so it goes from 7% to 4%.
Think about it -- I'd rather have 7% to 4% "force" than 90% -- if you had to chose between the too (today) you'd chose the 7%.
Octobox
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D@mn this is
A boat I just don't want to be on Octo.
Are you sure this isn't a computer program we are experiencing ie the matrix?
I want a new program this one sucks.
2bfree: I was just thinking that the other day
Octobox
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Did you break out the wine and vicodin tonight?
"Countless people will hate The New World Order and will die protesting against it"- H.G Wells - The New World Order (1939)
"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."
I never drink nor do I ever use drugs (of any kind)
This was an old post that someone dug up -- to throw into all othe other "octobox" posts; what can I say tonight people were in a "mood" and wanted Octo-tainment
Octobox
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Perhaps You Should Start
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I was kidding my friend... I was entertained.
"Countless people will hate The New World Order and will die protesting against it"- H.G Wells - The New World Order (1939)
"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."
I don't get all these posts
I don't get all these posts by you Octo, are you trying to prove something or just being annoying / sarcastic because you are bored? Please explain.
JonKirkpatrick: I rarely hear from you.
How many times have we chated, you and I?
Take a chance put your thoughts out there -- develop your logic.
Octobox
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Lol, It would probably take
Lol, It would probably take a 100 page essay with a 20 page glossary to flesh out all of the conjecture, cryptic language, and leaps in logic required to possibly comprehend his posts. He is actually a great poster when he is not copy/pasting this "counter-economics" stuff, though. He reminds me of "Shaka", the "axiomatic" economist.
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You and I have differed but
You and I have differed but here I agree with you. I often cannot make make sense of OctoBox's posts.
marlow
marlow
Marlow: You understand this thread -- it is simple (very simple)
too understand.
Seriously -- If you don't 'get it' what I'm saying on this thread then ask.
But to post as if you are ignorant is just trying to add weight to the post you are in "reply" to.
*starring around starry eye'd*
"What does ol' Octy mean by this -- this Misesian Consumer-Minarchism?"
*In a dreamy voice*
"Is Uncle Octy trying to spray us with his verbal Chemtrails"
*swatting in-effectually at imagined chem-mist*
"Nooooooo Fuguuuuuu"
Fugu Fish
*in fairy voice*
"We have the amulet the magical amulet -- sparkle sparkle"
Octobox
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Sure I'm adding weight to
Sure I'm adding weight to the post I responding to. In fact, despite going around and around with you on several occasions I yet again on the "Dr Thornton and the "new" DP Lunacy" thread confessed my difficulty understanding your terminology and suggested you re-phrase. Better yet, elaborate. You may know what you mean by, for example "Misesian Consumer-Minarchism" but just repeating it over and over does not explain it. For another example, you frequently refer to Propertarians being rights/law based that leads to war. Sorry, that doesn't compute without some serious fleshing out.
marlow
marlow
Marlow: I like you
Misesian Consumer-Minarchism: #1 Mises argued for Consumer-Sovereignty but believed we needed to transition from Corporatism thru a Minarchism before reaching full-on Consumer-Individualism (Anarchy with Consumer Root). #2 Minarchism (min = minimal ~ archism = authority) -- a Minarchism allows for small gov't authority.
Propertarians (Owners) seek laws / rights to protect their position
Prolitarians (Workers) seek laws / rights to re-coup what they believe is lost in wages owing to "owners" greed.
Rights / Laws are gained by Voting and Lobbying.
In a Rothbardian World who get's to vote? Everyone?
Will they vote in logic or benefit to themselves (their union)?
Did I explain it right that time?
Octobox
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~Uncle Octy~
Omg. Too funny. :)
I still don't get it.. its
I still don't get it.. its not productive at all. The slogan of the site says it all.
Jon: Am I misrepresenting Individualism?
Octobox
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I asked how is this
I asked how is this productive and a few other questions in my original post. You seem to answer questions with questions. I never said anything about individualism, my main question was:
How is this productive?
JonKirkpatrick: Well you must define your terms.
1st off -- I'm an individualist which means I do what's right by me and mine first -- I'm always looking to expand the "mine" folk, smile. This means I answer questions how I like, but never to offend. So, you get a little of what you want with a spoonful of what I want to talk about -- sometimes the dots don't "appear" to connect, you might have to stretch your mind out a little, hahaha.
What is productive?
If I'm correct (and I know that I am -- not because I'm a "genius," but because I understand genius and have read geniud and then meditated on genius and decided I'd promote genius) -- So, if I'm correct and Voting / Lobbying is Perpetual War, then arguing against that 100% Perpetual Failure Model is very productive.
If I additionally offer a solution (one that has never been tried - one that is supported by Mises - one that needed technological innovation to become possible) and a "new" constitution that is easy to follow then yes -- I'm being very productive.
However, if your goal is the Ballot-Box-Shuffle then no -- I'm not being very productive.
Ron Paul is a Minarchist and Individualist -- I have meditated on this non-stop for 4 years and have been behind Ron Paul since '88 (when I turned 18 and could vote).
I believe in self-back-slapping -- I love myself and think I'm wonderful and a truly shiny individual -- I do believe I can constantly get better and faster at submitting to truth; it's an ability really (one that I try to get better at everyday).
All Individualist have this attitude -- You must become honorable within your own mind and within all interactions; only than can you love yourself.
I look forward to alone time within my own thoughts and love to spend time with me.
If you don't love yourself how can anyone else, smile.
Octobox
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NO...I'll yell MOMMY, MOMMY,
NO...I'll yell MOMMY, MOMMY, I want to be an anarshist.
You don't need my permission.
Good people do Good deeds
Good people make it happen
Impailed: I'm an "eventual" anarchist
But I agree with RP and Mises -- we need to transition.
If for any reason to control Naval - Army - Air Force Arsenal from falling into the hands of Bounced Bankers and De-Wormed Corporatist.
Octobox
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I know , I just thought I
I know , I just thought I would kick you a little bit.
Good people do Good deeds
Good people make it happen
Impailed: Now that was funny ;-) -- I love that type of humor
Octobox
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When did Mises allow for a
When did Mises allow for a transition to anarchism? I have only read "Socialism" and a few articles, but little else. He seemed like a classical liberal to me, one who was not all that focused on politics to begin with.
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Mises advocated that individuals
have a right to secede from the State. So, in other words, he thought that people should be free to secede from archism. And thus it could be said that "allowed for a transition to anarchism."
interesting. Do you know if
interesting. Do you know if he meant the freedom to secede just like we have today(revoke citizenship, sell property and leave) or did he mean to keep your land and form your own sovereign entity?
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