Question about the Federal Reserve

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I have a relatively simple question for everyone that I'm having trouble with.

Today while driving around I was listening to Edward Griffin's audio recording of "The Creature from Jekyll Island". For those that don't know about the book, it's about the Federal Reserve.

Here's my question(s):

If the FED loans the government money, it only makes sense that they would charge them interest (even though the money technically came from nowhere). Well hypothetically speaking, even if the FED DIDN'T charge interest, can't they simply print out all the money they want to obtain that same wealth? They're the only organization that can print our money right? While I understand that there needs to be an INCENTIVE for them to loan out billions of dollars. If they're given the charter to print our money, isn't that all they need? Why do they need our interest payments? Is it to put us in the poor-house at the same time?

Sorry if I'm over thinking it, that little bit just doesn't make sense to me

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The Compund Interest Paradox

The Compound Interest Paradox is the answer to your question. There's a lot of good bits on the Federal Reserve on my blog.
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It's a bank

The Fed operates more or less like any other bank. Just like B of A or Citi, they can only lend money into existence. The big differences are that the Fed makes its own rules for leverage and the valuation of collateral, and has a mandate for manipulating the money market and economy. Market manipulation is a crime when others do it.

Right now, the Federal Funds rate is absurdly low. But the money, in theory, has to be paid back when the bonds mature. In practice, the federal debt is just rolled over and added to.

Interest

provides the control mechanism. If they were motivated only by material purchases, yes, they could simply print the money. They already assume ownership of all the material wealth... it's the complete control over human society that they seek.

Some scam, huh?

IF the Fed can just print what it needs

Why in heck are we paying income taxes?

The usury (interest) charged by the Fed is applied to every 'note' that they print. Each time that it is spent it pays the Fed. Kennedy signed EO 11110 which authorized the "United States Note" which was an identical fiat note except that id did not carry the usury. It, BTW, is still authorized today.

Look where Kennedy has been for the last nearly 50 years!

"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." -Mark Twain

The purpose of income tax is

The purpose of income tax is control. It's used to influence what people do and to affect wealth re-distribution. It also is a puny diversion. If there were no other taxes, everyone would understand that inflation is a tax, rather than just some imponderable force of nature.

The Real Question.....

..... is, where does the Fed get the money to "lend" to the Treasury? The Fed prints it. Why is it so hard to understand that for every dollar of government paper the Treasury cannot dupe the rubes (foreigners, fixed income investors, etc.) into buying, a dollar of inflation is created.

The interest is charged on money that doesn't exist. What does that make the rate of return? The result of anything divided by zero is infinite.

I think the Federal Reserve

I think the Federal Reserve System is unethical because:

- It gives the banks a government sanctioned monopoly on credit creation and lending.

- It allows banks to counterfeit currency when making loans.

- The banks charge interest on the counterfeited currency (usury).

- It allows banks to loan out more currency than would otherwise be prudent, since the Federal Reserve can counterfeit currency to lend to its member banks (at discount rates) when the Fed acts as "lender of last resort".

- The entities that have first access to newly counterfeited currency (loans) -- usually banks, government, "well connected" businesses -- have an unfair purchasing power advantage, since that counterfeited currency inflates the money supply, which can cause an increase in the price of certain goods/services (theft of purchasing power).

- These inequities force many people and businesses to become dependent upon the system itself (a form of slavery).

There is a pretty good explanation of how our banking system works in "The Real Story of Money, Health, and Religion ( http://www.lulu.com/content/592768" )

they do not keep all of the profit

The structure of the fed is such that the shareholders of the fed only get a 6% dividend of all of the profits (after expenses). The rest is recycled back to the treasury. So now you see the problem, the treasury sells bonds to the fed at interest, but only pays it back at an interest rate of 6% of the rate it has to pay everyone else since it just keeps the remainder of the profit. Not a bad deal considering you can borrow money for practically nothing, and when you can't pay it back, you just borrow more.

That 6% maximum is a

That 6% maximum is a fraction of the money the member bank has invested in shares.

I believe the main goal of

I believe the main goal of the Fed is not to maximize profits for itself, per se, but rather to control the currency, keep government as their ally, and keep its member banks profitable (the owners of the Federal Reserve are likely also the owners of its member banks). Below are a few relevant paragraphs from "The Real Story of Money, Health, and Religion" ( http://www.lulu.com/content/592768 ) that help explain my opinion above:

"Here’s the key point to remember. The banks with access to Federal Reserve/Central Bank funding have a continual stream of profit by skimming the difference in the Federal Reserve’s loan rate and the loan rate to their borrowers as the currency inflates. Bank owners also take no risk and are not hurt by inflation because they are not loaning their own money...

Before analyzing who gives up this flow of wealth to the banks, let’s look at the Central Banking system’s second beneficiary. Part of the genius of the Federal Reserve Act was that it didn’t simply give all benefits to the banking industry. It aided the Federal Government as well, thus assuring that the government would become dependent on the system and slow to change it.

First, the government takes “loans” directly from the Federal Reserve Central Bank but with one critical difference. The Central Bank gives back the interest “paid” on the loan. This is a convoluted way for the government to obtain perpetual zero interest loans – more correctly called free money. As if that were not enough, the US Treasury is also given the Federal Reserve’s interest charged to commercial banks on the money created out of thin air. This practice of giving the Federal Reserve’s interest to the government basically insures that all inflation on all money in existence is split as profit between both the government and the commercial banks. These benefits alone transfer a vast and well-hidden source of income to the government. A simpler way for the government to achieve exactly the same result would be for the Treasury Department to print itself free money every year. However, this method would be more straightforward and citizens would intuitively realize that the resultant inflation robbed them of their savings and earning power. Secondly, this method of printing free government income would not allow commercial banks to also skim their percentage of the inflating money supply.

The government’s free benefits don’t end there, however. Next, as the currency inflates, the government’s zero interest debt obligation is gradually erased. This debt is continually rolled over and eventually inflates away to nothing.

Lastly, the government gains enormously in one more hidden way. Taxes on the public's savings are based on the imaginary “gain” from inflation. If a person owned a home or gold under a stable currency, the value would remain relatively constant. Under an inflating currency, however, the government is able to tax the “gain” on savings as their cost in dollars rises every year. Basically this amounts to a well-hidden tax on only those Americans who save money. The more you save, the more you are taxed. Is it any wonder our savings rate is now negative and the general population looks to the government rather than savings in difficult times?"

Thanks! For the first time, I understand it!

So actually the U.S. can loan money to itself, not at the going rate of interest, but basically at 6% of the going rate of interest.

So the U.S. is happy - they can get money for free, basically, and the Fed is happy. Say the interest is 5%. Well, 5 x 0.06 is only 0.3%.

So 0.3% is not a high rate of return, but it's on billions and billions of dollars, for basically no work.

What a great scam!

wow, i guess he called this one too

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson

It costs the fed the same to print $1 bills

as it does $100 bills...nice profit margin ..eh? And yes, they charge interest to loan the money to the treasury!

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Softball...

It's not about money, it's about power and slavery and deception. If they just printed it, it would be too obvious. In addition, what good would that money do people that already have all the money in the world? They want the power to control the country and the world. In this they can maintain their power base.

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It's inflation and debasement thats why

If you flood the economy it is more worthless

For Freedom!

For Freedom!
STUGOTS! To the high and felutent establishment!
Paultian Powerhouse!

Control and the appearance of legitimacy.

Nobody would mess with FRNs if they knew the deal. They have to keep up the illusion of them being money.

Not Sure, But I Think...

The Treasury prints bonds which it sells to the Fed for cash. The Treasury then pays interest on the bonds.