Federal judge rules police cannot detain people for openly carrying guns
On September 8, 2009, United States District Judge Bruce D. Black of the United States District Court for New Mexico entered summary judgment in a civil case for damages against Alamogordo, NM police officers. The Judge's straight shootin' message to police: Leave open carriers alone unless you have "reason to believe that a crime [is] afoot."
The facts of the case are pretty simple. Matthew St. John entered an Alamogordo movie theater as a paying customer and sat down to enjoy the movie. He was openly carrying a holstered handgun, conduct which is legal in 42 states, and requires no license in New Mexico and twenty-five other states. Learn more here.
In response to a call from theater manager Robert Zigmond, the police entered the movie theater, physically seized Mr. St. John from his seat, took him outside, disarmed him, searched him, obtained personally identifiable information from his wallet, and only allowed him to re-enter the theater after St. John agreed to secure his gun in his vehicle. Mr. St. John was never suspected of any crime nor issued a summons for violating any law.
Importantly, no theater employee ever ordered Mr. St. John to leave. The police apparently simply decided to act as agents of the movie theater to enforce a private rule of conduct and not to enforce any rule of law.
On these facts, Judge Black concluded as a matter of law that the police violated Matthew St. John's constitutional rights under the Fourth Amendment because they seized and disarmed him even though there was not "any reason to believe that a crime was afoot." Judge Black's opinion is consistent with numerous high state and federal appellate courts, e.g., the United States Supreme Court in Florida v. J.L. (2000) (detaining man on mere report that he has a gun violates the Fourth Amendment) and the Washington Appeals Court in State v. Casad (2004) (detaining man observed by police as openly carrying rifles on a public street violates the Fourth Amendment).
Mr. St. John's attorney, Miguel Garcia, of Alamogordo, NM was pleased with the ruling and look forward to the next phase of the litigation which is a jury trial to establish the amount of damages, and possibly punitive damages. Garcia said that
"[i]t was great to see the Court carefully consider the issues presented by both sides and conclude that the U.S. Constitution prohibits the government from detaining and searching individuals solely for exercising their rights to possess a firearm as guaranteed by our state and federal constitutions."
Notably, Judge Black denied the police officers' requested "qualified immunity," a judicially created doctrine allowing government officials acting in good faith to avoid liability for violating the law where the law was not "clearly established." In this case, Judge Black concluded that
"[r]elying on well-defined Supreme Court precedent, the Tenth Circuit and its sister courts have consistently held that officers may not seize or search an individual without a specific, legitimate reason. . . . The applicable law was equally clear in this case. Nothing in New Mexico law prohibited Mr. St. John from openly carrying a firearm in the Theater. Accordingly, Mr. St. John's motion for summary judgment is granted with regard to his Fourth Amendment and New Mexico constitutional claims. Defendants' motion for summary judgment is denied with regard to the same and with regard to qualified immunity."
Judge Black's opinion and order is welcome news for the growing number of open carriers across the United States. Though police harassment of open carriers is rare, it's not yet as rare as it should be - over the last several years open carriers detained without cause by police have sued and obtained cash settlements in Pennsylvania, Louisiana, Virginia (see additional settlement here), and Georgia. More cases are still pending in Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
Judge Black's opinion and order can be read here.http://www.examiner.com/x-2782-DC-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m9d9-Federal-judge-rules-police-cannot-detain-people-for-openly-carrying-guns





















These days when someone follows the Constitution, they...
should be congratulated.
So few people are. These are strange days indeed.
believe it or not: All gun
believe it or not:
All gun laws apply to "persons" not humans...without spending too much time, here is an example:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000921----...
(1) The term “person” and the term “whoever” include any individual, corporation, company, association, firm, partnership, society, or joint stock company.
why doesnt this definition include a human???? the word human, is NOT defined, but is mentioned on this same page:
SEE 22(B)
"(B) involves violent acts or acts dangerous to human life which would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States; and "
notice it doesnt say "an individuals life", or " a persons life", this is because there is, and always has been a HUGE difference between "individual", "person", and "human" they are NOT the same. This "trick" is how they make this law constitutional.
you see the code applies to "persons"
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_4...
http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/CitesByTopic/person.htm
I'm glad that the judge
I'm glad that the judge denied the police officers qualified immunity. As far as I know, this means that the officers who violated this man's rights are unable to hide from being personally responsible for what they did.
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Question
The article says I believe 25 states don't require a license to carry. Shouldn't everyone have the right to carry constitutionally? List of the states right to carry without license link?
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good for the judge; however, the movie
theater manager was out of bounds calling the police.
If he/she doesn't want armed customers, a sign could be posted:
No open-carry guns in this theater. Take your business elsewhere, by order of the management.
that gives the property owner a choice, and the customer too.
hope he gets lots of $ A
hope he gets lots of $
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Beautiful quote man Proverbs
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Proverbs 22:3
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