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Analysis: 'You lie!' further erodes discourse

WASHINGTON – Screams of "Socialism!" Conservative talk show hosts peddling debunked "death panels." Placards likening Barack Obama to Hitler. And now, to the president's face: "You lie!" A breach of civility? Absolutely. A strategic political mistake? Maybe.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090911/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health...



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Civility , when have you

Civility , when have you seen that out of Washington lately ? They haven't been civil for years, to We the People...If you want respect, start by having some self respect.
Good people do Good deeds
and are no respecter of person

He is a representative of his district he should speak the truth

when confronted with a lie. There`s to much back slapping and consoling going on in our Congress. It should be a place where the representatives confront each other and the President with the views of their constituents.

"We have to spend money to keep from going bankrupt"
Joseph Biden VP , USA

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell

A Strategic Political Mistake? No The DNC Made A Whopper

and they are in deep s**t right now...

Pelosi and the DNC screwed up so bad and here's the documents proving the fraud when they certified Obama 2 documents that don't quite match up...

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/14583

Federal District Judge David. O. Carter, of the Southern Division CA. SAYS REPEATEDLY THE CASE WILL GO FORWARD REGARDING OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE/ELIGIBILITY

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/orly-before-ju...
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http://www.ronpaulsingles.com/

Paper Ballots Hand Counted At The Precinct Or Bust
Support WTP Federal Supreme Court Case To Ban All Electronic Voting Or Forget 2010 or 2012
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/Update2009-05-11...

Re: Death Panels

* Please read up on Ezkeil Emmanuel..he is the architect advisor for Obamacare!

In his own words...
"Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change"

"Emanuel believes doctors try too hard to apply the Hippocratic Oath to everyone as equally as possible, which is what drives up costs. Instead Emanuel thinks we need to ration basic, guaranteed care to only those who can fully participate in society."

Ezekiel Emanuel, architect of ObamaCare
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/101264
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"I truly wish that real life would no longer surpass the worst excesses of my nightmarish imaginings... Arthur Silber **

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

But "You lie!" was such a great moment of truth.

Obama does, after all, lie.

Speaking of discourse, when are they going to hear US? When are they going to really HEAR that we are sick of their lies, corruption, wars, catering to the Rockefellers and CFR, spying, oppressing, taxing, imprisoning innocent people on minor drug charges, tasering, stealing personal information, heavy-handedness??

Then we might have a little discourse. Until then, two syllables may be all we can get in edgewise, and they might as well be "you lie."

I've Said It Before, I'll Say It Again: Death Panels are Real

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, health adviser to President Barack Obama, is under scrutiny. As a bioethicist, he has written extensively about who should get medical care, who should decide, and whose life is worth saving. Dr. Emanuel is part of a school of thought that redefines a physician’s duty, insisting that it includes working for the greater good of society instead of focusing only on a patient’s needs. Many physicians find that view dangerous, and most Americans are likely to agree.

The health bills being pushed through Congress put important decisions in the hands of presidential appointees like Dr. Emanuel. They will decide what insurance plans cover, how much leeway your doctor will have, and what seniors get under Medicare. Dr. Emanuel, brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of the Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research. He clearly will play a role guiding the White House's health initiative. True reform, he argues, must include redefining doctors' ethical obligations. In the June 18, 2008, issue of JAMA, Dr. Emanuel blames the Hippocratic Oath for the "overuse" of medical care: "Medical school education and post graduate education emphasize thoroughness," he writes.

"This culture is further reinforced by a unique understanding of
professional obligations, specifically the Hippocratic Oath's admonition to 'use my power to help the sick to the best of my ability and judgment' as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of cost or effect on
others."

In numerous writings, Dr. Emanuel chastises physicians for thinking only about their own patient's needs. He describes it as an intractable problem: "Patients were to receive whatever services they needed, regardless of its cost. Reasoning based on cost has been strenuously resisted; it violated the Hippocratic Oath, was associated with rationing, and derided as putting a price on life. . . . Indeed, many physicians were willing to lie to get patients what they needed from insurance companies that were trying to hold down costs." (JAMA, May 16, 2007).

Of course, patients hope their doctors will have that single-minded
devotion. But Dr. Emanuel believes doctors should serve two masters, the patient and society, and that medical students should be trained "to provide socially sustainable, cost-effective care." One sign of progress he sees: "the progression in end-of-life care mentality from 'do everything' to more palliative care shows that change in physician norms and practices is possible." (JAMA, June 18, 2008).

"However, other things are rarely equal—whether to save one 20-year-old, who might live another 60 years, if saved, or three 70-year-olds, who could only live for another 10 years each—is unclear." In fact, Dr. Emanuel makes a clear choice: "When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020370660457437...

The article makes a good point

If Republicans want Democrat's ear, they need to stop with the fearmongering and take another approach to issues such as healthcare.

"Death panels" is what backfired, and unfortunately, they are NOT debunked as the article states.