Why We Can NEVER Get Out of Debt MUST READ!!!

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Have you wondered how politicians can say things like "We need to spend our way to prosperity" or "Deficits dont mean anything" or even better "the only way to get out of debt is to spend more" Im going to explain it right now.

I started getting into this on another thread with someone when he couldnt figure out why I said that we NEED to have deficits and we NEED to create more and more debt. I want to point out although we NEED big debt and deficits doesnt mean I AGREE with it. Im just pointing out a major flaw in the monetary system we have. This system is MEANT to keep us in perpetual debt. So without further adieu...

Our money is debt. Yes our money has no value and in fact is only in existence because it was borrowed into existence. So the first thing someone will say is "No money comes from taxes, its not borrowed into existence." and I say to you "Where did that money come from that was taxed?" The fact is it came from the central bank known as the FED. The money is borrowed from the banks at interest and then put into circulation.

That money that is put into circulation is then used for production, goods, and services. Then once into circulation a % of this money is then taxed and put into the coffers of the federal government. That money is used to pay the interest on the money borrowed and used for the general budget. By the way this is a simplified version of it all because it is a little more complex but sometimes its best to keep things simple.

Now that I have given a basic overview of how our system works I will now point out why it is we can NEVER pay off our national debt and why we HAVE to run deficits.

Lets say I am the FED and I have just persuaded the US government to give me a monopoly on the currency. So the first thing we need to do is get some money into circulation. Lets say we start out with $10k. So I tell the US government give me a piece of paper promising me to pay back the money I lend you with interest lets say 5%. So the government issues a bond and gives it to the FED. Then I will then have $10k created and given to the government. The government then takes that money and puts it into circulation.

Here is where it gets interesting. So now the government is in debt for not only the $10k but also the 5% interest. But if only $10k in currency exists then where is the government supposed to get the money for the 5% in interest? Simple they have to borrow more money at more interest. So do you see how this cycle of perpetual debt is started? The government can NEVER pay off the national debt because if no one was in debt there would be no dollars out there. This is why they teach you that deflation is a bad thing. In a real economy however deflation is a GOOD thing.

Now lets get into the tax aspect because the government recovers some of this money via taxes. Lets say the government has a 35% tax on the $10k into existence. First I want to point out you can never tax the whole $10k because some of the money goes underground like in the drug or prostitution trade. That being said lets say we recover taxes on $8k. That is $2800 dollars. A portion of that money is used to pay the interest and the remainder put in the "general fund" which is used for the next years budget or for other spending that is needed.

So lets say our interest payment is $500 dollars. So that leaves us with $2300 to put towards the general fund. Now however there is only $7.2k money our there because we have taken $2800 from the circulation in the form of taxes. So now if we have 35% of lets say $5k (remember the underground money you have to account for) that is $1750 in taxes you get. Take $500 for your yearly interest payment and you have $1250 left. Keep in mind the $10k in debt is still in existence for we are only paying the interest on this debt and nothing towards the principal.

The end game in this is our government is forced to keep borrowing more and more money at interest to cover previous debt with interest. There is no getting around it that is our system. The hopes of paying off the national debt is a farce and will NEVER happen because no debt=no money because money is debt. Our currency is called a Federal Reserve Note. What is a Note? Note=debt. This is an over simplified version but if you disagree please let me know why.

Henry Ford "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

I suspect Ford understood this scam.

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i think the "must read"

is a bit overstated here in the title. But maybe on a Obamabot site it would work. most of us know how it works, you getting the light bulb is good but yea we know.

Excellent synopsis, tjeffersonsghost...

Thank you for posting...

Wow Excellent Video!!!!

Wow Excellent Video!!!!

Wow!

excellent brief summary of what I like to call "the mess".
I wasted an entire evening last night on the DemocraticUnderground.com trying to get at least one person to recognize the fact that our money system is a fraud but, of course, noone would hear it. I got banned for being too disruptive even though the regulars of that site were attacking me personally, name calling, etc. What a joke! I learned that I am a racist for questioning authority!

Anyway, excellent post and keep it up! This info will make the difference if enough people wrap their heads around it.

agree, yes it's very good but would add

Fractional Reserve Banking System and how they can have only 10,000 debt dollars and loan up to ten times that much, charging interest on money that doesn't exist. So they are raking it in from the government loan and then all the bank loans to everyone else.

" Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of they day; but a series of oppresssions...pursued unalterably, through every change of ministers, too plainly proove delibrate, systematical plan of reducing us to slavery..."
Tho

" Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of they day; but a series of oppresssions...pursued unalterably, through every change of ministers, too plainly proove delibrate, systematical plan of reducing us to slavery..."
Tho

Let me ask again. Who is 'WE'?

Collectivism sucks.

Ummm, as in WE the people.

Ummm, as in WE the people. Our government backs the debt the accumulate with OUR property and labor. Read the piece then comment....

How about no.

I'm not your 'we', it's not'our' government, and MY LABOR most definitely does not belong to you just because you believe that some selected wealthy, sexist, racists wrote something down over 200 years ago.

Can I add one minor detail

to your otherwise EXCELLENT write-up?

From your essay:

So I tell the US government give me a piece of paper promising me to pay back the money I lend you with interest lets say 5%. So the government issues a bond and gives it to the FED.

All of those "pieces of paper" represent bits of the aggregate wealth of our nation. Treasury bonds (representing real, tangible, physical property) are used as collateral against these un-payable debts. Let the government default on a bond and you've just handed a piece of OUR America over to an international banker. If through wreckless spending, the government defaults on enough of 'em, they OWN YOUR COUNTRY. It was very disheartening when I finally "snapped" to the realization that my property, infact has two mortgages- the one I took out to "buy" it, the other in the form of obligations made by Washington. Government signed the nation over to Snidely Whiplash and now we're the ones tied to the tracks.

Jefferson had it right- government should have never been allowed to borrow or be a party-to counterfeiting our currency. Short of a wholesale international default (leading inevitably to more war), I don't see a way out of this mess. It's controlled financial demolition.

That is why the presidents have a tradtion of setting aside

wilderness lands (aka-collateral).

However, there is one major flaw with the whole scam, what if the American people refuse to go along and honor these clandestine deals, what if they refuse to pay the debt. I guarantee the crooks took notice of the massive protest this past weekend!

One thing about a lot of unemployment, it leaves a lot of time for thinking and protesting!

This is why they are

This is why they are building up China. China will be glad to get us to do it militarily....

Militarily, but they even have more "renta-cops" to do us in.

Get familiar with the UN's Agenda 21. The big lie.

The mental mindset of military and police and renta cops and anybody must be held accountable as well as the NWO or whatever . . . . it's time to draw the line in the sand, and doing it "for the money" is no excuse.
Especially the "for the money" is the failure to "value" something consciously.

“Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
http://www.foodincmovie.com/
http://www.dirtthemovie.org/
http://endoftheline.com

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

Excellent Point!!

Excellent Point!!

Support the underground economy and fight the money power!

"First I want to point out you can never tax the whole $10k because some of the money goes underground like in the drug or prostitution trade.."

Any cash transaction can be undetected by the taxing authorities, not just drugs or prostitution. I can pay my lawn guy in cash and I'd bet the whole amount that he's not going to report it as income.

Of course, the gov't would have to borrow more from the Fed for the "underground" dollars that are not producing taxes. Another case for honest money!

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"The consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of the ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."

- Robert E. Lee, 1866

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RON PAUL 2012

We cannot pay anything off!

We cannot pay anything off! You can't pay a debt with debt, because there is still a debt.

MODERN MONEY MECHANICS
A Workbook on Bank Reserves and Deposit Expansion
by Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago
http://www.rayservers.com/images/ModernMoneyMechanics.pdf

also from the US Treasury http://www.ustreas.gov/education/faq/currency/legal-tender.s...

Federal Reserve notes are not redeemable in gold, silver or any other commodity, and receive no backing by anything This has been the case since 1933. The notes have no value for themselves, but for what they will buy. In another sense, because they are legal tender, Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy.

Wall Street owes the American people one at this point,” he said

-Warren Buffet

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/10/warren-buffett-w...

Buffett also criticized the government’s public-private investment plan, through which private investors are supposed to buy so-called toxic assets off the balance sheets of ailing banks that received billions in government aid.

“I do not like the idea of any kind of a plan involving the government where Wall Street makes a lot of money. My plan provided that they would make no money whatsoever, and the American public would make the money. I just think that Wall Street owes the American people one at this point,” he said. (LD’s emphasis)

“Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
http://www.foodincmovie.com/
http://www.dirtthemovie.org/
http://endoftheline.com

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

All I can say is

EXCELLENT!!!

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for knowledge.

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Money as Debt movie

Here is the movie: http://tinyurl.com/qc84sy

TJ I think that is an excellent explaination!

and certainly makes a great case for why RP recommends we go to an honest money system.

Have you ever explored the relationship between the printing of money by the Fed and the fractional reserve banking system? As GE Griffin explains it, one is the left hand and one it the right, but it is the fractional reserve system that is lending money on the retail level that is the most lucrative and most coveted by the bankers. In fact it is so lucrative, the reason we are in so many foreign countries is to enforce and impose the banker's interest on others.

Thanks and yes I totally

Thanks and yes I totally understand the left and right hand notion. I didnt want to get to complicated or to long so no one would read. It is already kind of long.

People have a hard time believing it when you

first explain it, it sounds so ridiculous. Here are some other famous quotes.

Famous Quotes:
"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." — Henry Ford

"We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it." - Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations which grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their father conquered.” - Thomas Jefferson

"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States" — Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AR)

“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.” - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

“The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, and more selfish than beaurocracy. It denounces as public enemies all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe.” - Abraham Lincoln

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." - Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance." — James Madison. James Madison

"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world--no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." - President Woodrow Wilson

"This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President [Wilson} signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill." - Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr., 1913

"By this means government may secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people, and not one man in a million will detect the theft." — John Maynard Keynes (the father of 'Keynesian Economics' which our nation now endures)

"While boasting of our noble deeds were careful to conceal the ugly fact that by an iniquitous money system we have nationalized a system of oppression which, though more refined, is not less cruel than the old system of chattel slavery. — Horace Greeley

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." - Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" - Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild