Beck-deniers trying to Hijack the DailyPaul?
There seems to be an ongoing effort to convince DailyPauler's that the liberty movement is composed of mindless lemmings willing to follow any smooth-talking journalist off the nearest ideological cliff.
Very interesting.
Especially since it seems to ignore slime balls like Sean Hannity who did a whole lot more to actively sabotage Dr. Paul's campaign. Or Rush Limbaugh who has been leading American conservatives astray for years (and coincidentally gets MSM mention as a potential "leader" for the new Republican strategy).
And for some reason it relentlessly targets the only popular mainstream journalist who is giving Ron Paul, Judge Napolitano, Peter Schiff, etc. and (more importantly) their IDEAS, a national forum.
If nothing else, don't you think that Ron Paul would be smart enough to figure it out if he were being used by Glenn Beck to sidetrack our movement?
Makes you wonder who is REALLY trying to lead this movement astray.
Beckkkkkkkkkuuuugggghhhhhh!
is a NeoCon. Beck Is a False Prophet. When it comes time to endorse candidates in 2010 and 2012....this leopard will show his spots by endorsing NeoCons and selling them as Libertarians and Constitutionalist. Beck will then diss ANY true conservative that poses a threat to a NeoCon getting selected. Right now, Beckkkkkkuuuuggghhhhhh! is crying all the way to the bank.
SUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry to degrade to the neocons level
but Beck is a slime-ball, not consistent on any of his stances. I suspect he got the 50 mil because he does a really good job of discrediting facts by acting bi-polar.
straw man
everyone knows beck and fox are disingenuous at best, and criminals at worst.
by co-opting the movement and alienating themselves, they will be able to convince people that we are like them. bigoted, hateful, spiteful, racist, conspiracy-minded
i was listening to npr on the way home today. some nut was on the radio saying that the anti federal reserve board movement was a result of glen beck populists merely grasping for whatever straw was available. that it wasn't a genuine problem -- that it was a robotic behavior that would happen in any happenstance.
it's utterly shocking to me how much control the string-pullers have.
everything from fox co-opting the tea parties, to jones convincing everyone that using the obama-as-joker picture was a good idea, to Jimmy Carter, to You Lie, to Kayne, to npr just a few hours ago.
Beck using Ron because w/o Ron Beck & Rupert have no credibility
Ron Paul is going along with it because Ron Paul is the real deal and he knows that we all know that; and that most of us remember well Beck's crap and undermining during the campaign.
Beck has one thing Ron does not have.... National air time. What we see is a trade off and give and take. Ron Paul gets air time in exchange for what Beck (Rupert) perceives he is gaining... Credibility.
Funny thing is... Beck is not gaining as much credibility as Ron Paul is gaining in air time. When you mix good milk with bad milk you get all bad milk. Beck is bad milk and everything he is assocaited with is bad milk. Ron Paul will not get that close to him or endorse Beck for this reason.
Ron Paul is a leader, whereas Beck is a two-faced scum sucker... Most of usl know it and eventually Beck (and Rupert) will give up on their scam to take over a Liberty movement they can not control as they can with the Pharisee/Church lead anti-Christ NEO-CONs.
In the mean time Ron Paul and Rand Paul and Peter Schiff and other credible freedom lovers will use Beck and take advantage of this Rupert azz kizzer.
Us Christians in the pursuit of Liberty tend to realize that God alone is our Father, and no fake father/dad (guy with a funny looking collier), pope man, tv preacher or local minister stands between us and our Creator. We are all children of God and can cry out to God without asking permission of some corrupt guy in a robe.
Only Jesus Christ is our Brother and intercessor. He is God created as man and the same self-serving Pharisee cabals that crucified Him (Jesus Christ, God, Truth, Hope, Love, Brother) 2000 years ago are leading NEO-CONs astray today into mindless wars against truth and against the truth from men like Ron Paul who refuse to serve their special interests and the associated lies and corruption.
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Great Salon Article about Beck THE LEADER of the rEVOLution
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/16/beck_skousen/
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Who's being divisive?
Those who see encouraging signs of philosophical progress in Glenn Beck are not the ones being divisive.
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because they turn the other cheek
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Beck
I don't trust Beck either.
Once he starts admitting that Bush's war of terror should be a law enforcement issue and nothing beyond that then maybe I will start to take him more seriously. Hmmm yes...a law enforcement issue.
Get Bush into a jail cell!
Right now he's too neoconish for me.
i hate beck
with a passion
Ok...For the final time...
Beck is a false prophet. Beck IS NOT our friend. Beck is a NeoCon.
This is the Daily Paul...not the Daily Beck.
Those fools that think Beck is so great need to go to Beck's crummy website and hang out there...with the War-mongering, fiat money loving, corporate welfare / warfare lovers. You will find friends there. I am sick of hearing about Beck....He is a PHONEY! Got it!
Relax
No one is saying beck is great or is our new leader. All we are merely saying is that that moron beck has access to millions of people. So while the republicans are in the minority and therefore need us, we will use their platform to get our message out. The time of collapse draws near my friend in liberty.
Cmon this is divisive Space habitats
Don't make a divisive issue about this. The last thing we need here is another division, "Beckers" and "anti-Becks", makes me sick. We need to stick together more than ever, we have big fish to fry.
What we have with Beck right now is an abusive yet mutually beneficial relationship , nothing more. Apologizing for Beck is like a battered wife apologizing for an abusive husband because he happens to be supporting her. We hold the power in this relationship. We started this movement. We know how we got here and we know where were headed. Beck jumping out in front of the parade waving a freedom baton doesn't make him a good guy or a friend. It makes him a fair weather patriot at best, an opportunist and controlled opposition at worst. He should be eyed with a generous amount of distrust and caution until he's sufficiently proven himself. That doesn't mean we can't work with him in the mean time, support his good points and call out his BS and buffoonery. He's not an ally, but he is useful. Time and actions will tell if he is sincere.
good point
in taking my stance I did not mean to divide us - if that's what I did then I apologize for that
ultimately I'm a team player in this and I meant more to show where I am headed and what I stand for than creating a rift.
I despise being undermined and try to hit where it counts and I simply really dislike all of the majors on MSM
(except Judge Napolitano but he's not a major talking head just yet)
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"The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin" - Mark Twain
I trust most people here aren't trying to be divisive
We just don't want to see others betrayed or the ideas of liberty marginalized. Beck has a history of that. Pretty much the entire MSM does. What makes Beck particularly dangerous or harmful is that he proclaims to represent us small government libertarian and constitutionally minded people. Everything Beck does or says either credits or discredits us.
Here in lies the dilemma.
Whether he's still waking up or controlled opposition, he is in essence a loose cannon, capable of sinking enemy and friendly ships alike. Is it better to ditch said cannon altogether? Is it worth the risk of getting hit ourselves in hopes the enemy will go down too in the process? Or should we move to keep our wits about us, keep ourselves out of position to be hit and work to secure Beck's aim? I lean towards more towards the 3rd course of action, but its for each to decide. Ultimately we don't need to be divided over it. If we do our part it doesn't matter what Beck does, freedom will win out in the end.
yes, there is always a dilemma
and it's always about where you draw the line
Here is my take on it.
With Beck and his flip flopping undermining self, I am more than wary as it's the same political principle that Obama did during the campaigns.
I also know that if there was 1...
just ONE non flip flopping major libertarian talking head that was being corporately funded by the networks like all the other primetime "pinheads", and this person had total control over his own show to speak his view in depth to mass America, then I wouldn't give two flips about Glenn Beck. Because as you say, Beck would be a cannon. I'd actually wager a bet that he would become full time libertarian or once again become nothing.
However, when you look at the whole MSM picture and see the powers at play here, the reality is that this deck is more than rigged. Yes, true, it is wise to be like water, to roll with the punches.. yet it is also important to know when and where to draw the line and strike back. We must learn to mold both together, to adapt and overcome. Glenn Beck is not the best we've got, I will not accept this. No way. When someone insinuates this, that is where I draw the line in adapting and strike back to overcome.
If we libertarians keep settling and ultimately do nothing we will be so outnumbered that in the end we shall be dissolved with a hat trick.
Today in America MSM is in NO way a friend to liberty and what we libertarians better realize is that there is a bus coming, and we better get organized and "with it" in more real ways than just debating the philosophies or we will get overrun.
Education is the key and sadly most people in America get that through the TV. It is to me absolutely wrong to accept Glenn Beck as the being the best we've got. I'm not into playing their games or accepting what they give me as it's next to nothing. Hence why I am vocal for America putting the MSM in check and boycotting cable for one month. That simple peaceful counter would get many things done much more than allowing ourselves to be utterly and completely marginalized by watching Glenn Becks every move. We deserve and should want better on our TV sets.
Again, it's all about where you draw the line
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I'm sorry
but I do not like being undermined or taken advantage of and on a much bigger scale than Hannity or Limbaugh, that is ultimately what Glenn Beck does. If you can not see that then look harder.
I do not like someone who takes my ideas or thought process, charges people to listen or see them, props them up all pretty, only in the end to marginalize those views for some different agenda. Using my first amendment here... fuck that.
Saying "ohh we should be thankful for the scraps he gives us" is to me selling myself short and I will have none of that either.
"Oh he busted Acorn long after their main goal was accomplished. Praise Beck!"
When I can see the end result and I disagree with it, then it is not something I will support. Period.
Instead I will spread my thoughts or beliefs on the matter in opposition as I see this thread does. That is my right and your right, and the third party involved can come to their own conclusion. That is the beauty of the first amendment and freedom. People can think for themselves.
I'm sorry but I will not buy into this "give Beck a chance" thinking. To me he has already had plenty of chances already. Beck didn't just undermine me, our ideas and Ron Paul's ideology once, not twice... but countless times. In big fashion or small, he does it almost everyday. .
But by this same type of logic perhaps I should change my mind and become supportive on the War on Terror. Afterall it makes America safer right? We haven't had another 9/11 happen since we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Just give the neo cons a chance.
Wrong
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100% Agree
I 100% agree with your analysis. Way too many haters. Let's be lovers of Freedom first and foremost.
Anyone who is against us on
Anyone who is against us on our #1 issue, the war/police state, cant be trusted. This is not to mention that he is supporting people like Palin. That doesn't mean that Beck hasn't done any good, because he has. We will have to see in 2012 whether the good will outweigh the harm should he endorse another national socialist Republican.
If you're in a forgiving mood, forgive George Will. He came out on the right side of that issue, as well as actually saying good things about Ron Paul when it counted.
I, like Ron Paul, will support people like Kucinich, Nader, and McKinney who are 90-99% opposite of Dr. Paul. I, like Ron Paul, will not support someone who is 99% like Ron Paul but wrong on the war issue.
Being wrong on that issue shows either unbelievable stupidity, or unbelievable evil.
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A little history of the DP and Beck...
For those who weren't around for it...
Beck was hateful to RP and RP supporters. Ron Paul REFUSED to do an interview for Beck. Me and a few others were very passionate about getting RP's voice heard in any way, and any where possible so we bombarded the campaign staff with phone calls requesting him to do the interview with Beck (this was following Beck issuing a personal request to supporters for an interview).
After the first interview, Beck lightened up and was decent. But he was and is still a schmuck. He uses us, which is fine because we use him. But do not confuse a mutually beneficial relationship with a positive one. It is not a positive relationship and Beck has proven he is as much a liability to getting the word out as he is in any way beneficial.
Take him or leave him, but once again, don't confuse an alliance with a friendship, they are two different things.
p.s. And at the time, there was a huge debate over whether the interview would be good or bad for the presidential run. I think ultimately it turned out to be a good thing, but who knows, the naysayers may have been correct given the fact that this barely functioning human being is now associated with us.
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Its nice to agree with you on something.
Great post!
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I'll take being called a "Kook" as a compliment! You can find the target on my back still clean as well. Thanks everyone :>)
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WOW truthers bad,Beck good???
trolls!
One day we will cross paths ,I am sure!
I am amazed that you trolls can even type being as you are a bunch of SNAKES IN THE GRASS!
Wedgers:
those intent on keeping Glenn Beck outside the libertarian movement. Just how can they be distinguished from NWO types who want to keep libertarians from uniting and accomplishing something?
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Beck is NWO
He's entertainment... no soul
He's a corporate mouthpiece... a "body snatcher" and now he's after the rEVOLution. He didn't support it. When we needed Beck he ignored us. Now, he's profitting off some of us who are charmed by him. I'm not.
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Why?
Why is this becoming the "Daily Beck!" The guy got paid 50 million to cover up FEMA camps, marginalize Dr. Paul, then switch networks, co opt some of our agenda, and be SO bipolar and insane that only similar bipolar statist enemies of freedom can find him appealing. And this "supports" Ron Paul's cause? What!?!
Look when Beck takes on the Fed, speaks out against the bipartisan police state, and uses words other than "crazy, kooky" every five minutes to mischaracterize anybody who doesn't drink his Kool-aid, I will stop and listen. Til then, he can cry in his mansion for all I care, while we the impoverish masses are left on the street or in the camps!!! Enough!!!
Ron Paul has the courage to speak out against all of this, Beck has enough courage to slander, marginalize and ignore glaring issues... for admittedly 50 million a year... At least he didn't come CHEAP!!!
I don't trust Beck. He was
I don't trust Beck. He was in league with the Limbaugh's and Hannity's that wouldn't give Paul the time of day during the campaign and now he's had a change of heart? Ron Paul is a fool if he thinks Beck is sincere.
Beck is a clown. He admits to using chap stick or whatever under his eyes to help them water for his fake crying that he admits is fake to GQ I think it was, when he did an interview and photo for the cover.
Now, Beck is supposedly on our side, but he seems like Operation Mockingbird controlled opposition to me.
I don't trust any of those talking heads on tv. The ONLY one I like is Napolitano.
Beck is a charlatan IMO. The only thing I like about him is his guests.
Beck is an unfortunate misinformation campaign
But who cares really. Liberty is stronger than that. I trash Beck at every opportunity. But, I stop when I really catch myself wringing my hands.
You can't control the liberty message. The whole point is for individual enlightenment.
(Do take slight offense at lumping "chemtrailers" in with whatever ideologues and conspiracy theorists. Once you see them in your area, if you are a thinking person, you will find yourself a "chemtrailer."
Beck just had Woodrow Wilson, the crook
who signed the Federal Reserve Act in 1913, on his board - AND he didn't even mention the connection to the FED - What a crock of crap he is spitting out tonight. He is trying to build credibility by making people think he is unvieling the big conspiracy. This is just a bunch of smoke screen diversion crap!