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Gerald Celente Predicts Rise of "Progressive Libertarian" Third Party



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Don't see it happening


I usually agree with Gerry, but not this time. The third party always ends up in a cul-de-sac. Ross Perot was the only one talking sense in 1988 and he was dispatched quick. Same with Ralph Nader. Same with Anderson. You're trying to fight the mafia. (And yes, I know RP ran also, but the libertarians never seem to get to first base).

However, if the USA is still together.. there might be a chance in 2016, but I wouldn't bet money on it. Frankly I think this country is finished. Once the dollar goes belly-up, the nation will disintegrate. Too bad.

as a poster already mentioned below

1. The Democratic Party
2. The Republican Party
3. The American Patriot Party,
4. The American Reform Party,
5. The American Synthesis Party,
6. The Communist Party,
7. The Constitution Party,
8. The Democratic Socialists,
9. The Founders Party,
10. The Green Party,
11. The Labor Party,
12. The Libertarian Party,
13. The Light Party,
14. The National Socialist Movement,
15. The Natural Law Party,
16. The New American Independent Party,
17. The New Party,
18. The Progressive Labor Party,
19. The Prohibition Party,
20. The Reform Party,
21. The Social Democrats,
22. The Socialist Labor Party,
23. The Unity Party,
24. The Veterans Party, and
25. The Workers World Party

yep. go ahead and add one more to the meaningless list. spin your wheels and destroy everything that paul has built up. until the playing field is evened out with an Instant-Runoff Voting system (see www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqblOq8BmgM ), then this is exactly how they would want us to implode.

why do you think during the debates they kept asking Paul if he would run third-party, and why he was running as a Republican. Because they needed to create the illusion that he wasn't one. So the masses would remain convinced that he didn't embody one of them. They were running scared. and the only reason anybody should be talking 3rd party, or 28th party, is because they are running scared.

28th party... you forgot the American Heritage Party!

Well stated!
But, do not forgot the American Heritage Party...

"Suspicion is a Virtue, if in the interests of the good of the people." Patrick Henry

Age old fraud... 3rd parties!?!

An age-old fraud and great trick on the sheeple... third parties are how 'tweedle dee and tweedle dum' stay in power and continue the ship of state and power down the same road to globalism!! Pero, one of the recent and greatest of classic bait and switch frauds, was a fishing buddy of Bush's, nominated by George the first to membership in the CFR... an old crony who made his billions not as a self made entrepreneur, but by feeding at the public trough, questionably 'winning' bid after bid from good 'ol Nelson Rockefeller, governor of NY.

True changes in party, or the creation of a true party, came about as a result of values and passion, not as a result of someone starting a third party. Parties BECOME, they are not started per se! When enough people think and believe the same they can chose to change their party name, or start calling themselves by a party name... that is the sound genesis of a party!

As such, any talk by ANYONE connected to FOX, or any other mainstream news media, the GOP, the Dems, or any former candidate for one of these globalist ideologies, or by any think tank making their million dollar predictions in order to influence public debate, is just that... disinformation to carve up the grassroots, to split the forces for freedom and liberty, and ultimately to facilitate the continuation of Quigley's exposed method used by the neocon and globalist fanatics to control people, their wealth, and their labor, world wide!

Beware of all third party talk... it flies in the face of all historical wisdom by which elections are won... there are still the masses of millions to account for, which are glued to the two main parties. If you like talking about dreams, and playing with them with a few or a couple million votes, create more 'third' parties, but if you have real intent on winning an election with tens of millions, then pick the party where, in spite of the grassroots surge in knowledge and involvement, most of the voters still recline on their couches... Dem or GOP!

As much as I would love a new party, why bother, when we can control much easier and with only a handful of grassroots patriots, one of the main two, and in so doing, place good candidates on the ballot for the masses to vote for... this is the crux of the issue for the globalist core of the GOP and Dems, the control of the ballot nominations. When you control the ballot nominations you control the government, and you know the rest of the story already!

Thus is defined our duty and chief strategy, the control of the major party nomination process, for as much as you try, you can never influence sufficiently, except by the ballot, the vast millions of voters who simply await the name to check off on their ballots... C'est la vis!

May the Lord of our Fathers and Founders keep us all in these dark and tumultuous days!

"Suspicion is a Virtue, if in the interests of the good of the people." Patrick Henry

"We are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of Nature has placed in our power... the battle, sir, is not to the strong alone - it is to the

Blah blah holy crap blah.

Sorry.. you lost me on paragraph two of your ~history did not happen~ rant.

The Republican Party was at one time the third party, remember?

It was cobbled together because the two existing parties were in bed together so nothing was really being done... but corruption was rampant. So the People made an alternative, or independent party, to fix that. The people at the time fought the same fight using the same language you are now... take over one of the existing parties instead of launching a new one. Because a third party does not work, they insisted. Sound familiar?

Independent voters, for the first time in a VERY long time, outnumber either other party right now.

This would be the time to do it. Or we can go with what you are preaching... use the system to fix the system. Call me when that works out, ok?

By the way, stop calling it a third party. It would technically just be the ~Other~ party.... not the established Repubricrat party.

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

Historic Fiction?

Devon said FOUR THINGS:
I. "...the two existing parties were in bed together so nothing was really being done... but corruption was rampant. So the People made an alternative, or independent party, to fix that. The people at the time fought the same fight using the same language you are now..."

Do you have some historical evidence for that or are you using your imagination?

II. "Independent voters, for the first time in a VERY long time, outnumber either other party right now."

Self-identified "independents" have frequently been the largest body in American Politics since 1988. They have been permanently so in Washington State since 1980. They end up voting Republican or Democrat. See: 1992, 1996, 2000, 2008.

III. "use the system to fix the system. Call me when that works out, ok?"

Devon_Saunders, this is history calling: 1964. 1980. Read Schlafly's book, "A Choice not an echo"

IV. "By the way, stop calling it a third party."

I will. It would be the TWENTY SIXTH Party behind (alpahbetically):

1. The Democratic Party
2. The Republican Party
3. The American Patriot Party,
4. The American Reform Party,
5. The American Synthesis Party,
6. The Communist Party,
7. The Constitution Party,
8. The Democratic Socialists,
9. The Founders Party,
10. The Green Party,
11. The Labor Party,
12. The Libertarian Party,
13. The Light Party,
14. The National Socialist Movement,
15. The Natural Law Party,
16. The New American Independent Party,
17. The New Party,
18. The Progressive Labor Party,
19. The Prohibition Party,
20. The Reform Party,
21. The Social Democrats,
22. The Socialist Labor Party,
23. The Unity Party,
24. The Veterans Party, and
25. The Workers World Party

Where to join the New Political Party: http://wp.me/p3Rqg-1jF

28th party... you forgot the American Heritage Party!

Well stated!

But, do not forgot the American Heritage Party...

"Suspicion is a Virtue, if in the interests of the good of the people." Patrick Henry

It was also a regional party at one time..

And that is the only way a third party can succeed imo, Start locally, state-wide then regionally, finally nationally!

Jeremy

You help make my point...

The GOP became the GOP when there were enough people who were GOP! We are growing but have a long way to go.

Actually, any so-called third party would be about the 203rd party.. there are many, and they all account for a minute percentage when the ballot boxes are checked off.

If indeed you can number all the people who are really and truly independent and willing to vote such, and they outnumber the other two parties, then you can give it a name... it will work perfectly and become another party. Possibly even the largest party, which when combined with other disaffected voters, could win... do you really think that is the case? The greatest statesman candidate in US history garnered 1.5 million, more or less? Was that illustrative of a powerful party, worthy to be named and run as such?

Do we have such luxury of time? Or do we need to take desperate steps in a desperate day in age, when liberty hangs in the balance! The latter is reality. Strategy within the system providing the shortest means to a sound end, is the desperate means needed right now, regardless of party!

Recent history has seen many attempts to create such a new party... they have yet to corral sufficient voters to make it out of the myriad of 'third' parties class. I hope we can soon name a new party soon... using the grassroots, and a majority of the voters... that is a hope but not yet reality.

It is still the better part of strategy and valor to work with the greatest number of voters, but by using the brush fire of liberty to control the nomination process... that is where the battle is really won. After controlling the nomination, the people will have a true choice and we shall see the real mind of voters disgusted with traitors and in love with liberty!

"Suspicion is a Virtue, if in the interests of the good of the people." Patrick Henry

"We are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of Nature has placed in our power... the battle, sir, is not to the strong alone - it is to the brave..."

Celente doesn't impress me

Celente doesn't impress me at all and I wish Lew Rockwell and other respectable libertarians would distance themselves from this guy. Using the word "Progressive" anywhere near our movement is ridiculous considering it's horribly tainted history. When you hear "progressive," think Woodrow Wilson, the father of the "progressive" movement at the turn of the century.

Celente is so deluded he claims Lincoln was assassinated by "banking interests" for his "righteous" attempt to nationalize the banking system and issue fiat paper currency to finance his genocide of the South. I know this is Alex Jones' view as well.

Sorry, I just don't buy the "progressive" Gerald Celente.

You'd better listen to what the far left is saying

It may sound strangely familiar. I see exactly what he's saying.

the definition of progressive...

is favoring or promoting change or innovation. That is exactly what the frigid Libertarian Party needs to do. Not in ideas, such as becoming more left-wing or mainstream, but in promoting and selling their ideas in ways that appeal to everybody rather than perpetuating their clique of several thousand Randian/Objectivist diehards or continually attempting to fruitlessly reach out to Republicans exclusively when half of the true platform would appeal just as much or more to the Left.

There was a chance for the Libertarian Party to finally break that cycle back in 2004 when Aaron Russo was running for the nomination but the "wise men" of the party found him too much of a "loose cannon" and "conspiratorial". He pissed off some of Anarcho-Capitalists when he made some negative comments about oil companies drilling off the coast of California so oh god he's some kind of socialist! Then some others didn't like it when he said that the U.S./Mexican border needed to be better defended and acted like he was being fascistic or something! Oh, and in the convention debate he dared to say that the party's enviromental platform had been insufficiently fleshed out and needed to be better explained! So who did we get instead? Another "town dog catcher" type who was likeable but completely lacking money, notoriety, or charisma (nothing personal Michael Badnarick, your still cool).

Ok, so where am I going with this? The only way the LP will EVER grow is if it gets just as many recruits from the right, left and independents. It also needs to purge itself of two other poisonous groups. One of those groups is the formerly mentioned Objectivists/Randian/Anarcho-Capitalist crowd that is so purist in their approach that they relegate the party to nothing more than a debating society. The other is the amorphous Kochtopus/D.C./Cato crowd that always seems to be occupying leadership positions and eating up large salaries while producing lackluster results that would get them canned in the free-market with a real world job.

It just goes to show that all it took to surpass the notoriety (or lack of it you might say) of the LP over 30 years was a grassroots movement around Ron Paul's campaign. I'd love to see the kind of third-party Celente is talking about and the LP should jump on it with a candidate like Jesse Ventura who would appeal to the whole spectrum.

jesse Venture

wouldn't attract 5% of the liberty movement; other than being a populist he's a far-leftist (who is agains the Democratic Party), and Republican Party..

No, only Ron Paul or someone like him could bridge the gap..

Jeremy

dude

did you even read the rest of my post? That was the major point of it at all? I spent thirty minutes writing and thinking all that out and how to best get the point across to everybody and that all I get?! Geez!!!

I don't care what the name

I don't care what the name is... I only care about the party's platform.

You know...sometimes anarchy doesn't seem so bad after all !!!

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I respect Gerald...however

I don't think many Tea Partiers will join anything labeled (or infact "progressive")- we know progressives (the same old leftist (communist), socialist, liberalism), and we do not want it. I predict a third party at worst in the Constitutionalism-Libertarianism bent, and at best the "real conservatives", libertarians, constitutionalists, and disaffected democrats and indepdents take over the Republican Party (and later to a degree the Democratic Party)..

Jeremy

The name is the same...

It won't matter what the movement is "coined" in the end. Both democrats and republicans have lost their parties. 2012 is only 3 years away and kids in school will be voters be then.

celente is right. This isn't woodstock and anyone with half a brain can figure out the recession is really a depression that has been upon us since 1970.

What will the future hold? I'm not sure but I can tell you what it won't hold:

there won't be manufacturing jobs
college will cost too much to afford and give too little of an advantage
the service industry will shrink
banks will be gobbled up into giant monoplies
the web will replace print
gift giving will shrink along with donations
food prices will rise
home owners will choose between paying taxes or buying food.
people will go without...because they have to.

and ya know what. 2012 revolution cannot come soon enough.

I do not have enough cash in my wallet to buy a loaf of bread today. I did have some flour and yeast on hand and I ended up making my own bread from scratch. Something I have not done in some time.

I didn't make 2 loaves of bread today becuase I was craving fresh, hot buttered bread but rather becuase if I didn't there would be none in the house.

I'm tapped out becuase I had to pay school taxes. Which means...no money left for food. Luckily payday is friday and I have cooking skills.

I don't know what the families who never opened a cookbook in thier life will do when they have no money to buy a simple loaf of bread.

Return our Republic to its roots.

Return our Republic to its roots.

Is it just me

or does the way sexy/stupid Fox presents the news insult your intelligence.
Don't get me wrong I like a pretty girl as much as the next guy but CMON!!
According to Leonard Horowitz it seems Rupert's up to his eyeballs in this
H1N1 Swine flu scam, drug ring NYC with David Rockefeller, fingers crossed hoping for any kind of indictment.

Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow

Liberaltarian

is an oxymoron if I've ever heard one.

Not really

There are many similarities between paleoconservatism, libertarianism, classic liberalism, and the civil liberties/anti-war wing of the progressive movement.

I am a free-market advocate, but I would put that agenda on hold to build a coalition to stop our immoral wars.

You should

rename this thread "The Herding Cats Thread". That is what threads resemble when someone mentions 3rd party.

Herding Cats

Amen. There are at least three Parties, right now, attempting to be the Liberty-minded "Third Party," and you just saw one of the Paul posters express his willingness to abandon the Liberty issue, itself, in favor of opposing War. In 2008 We/They ran Barr and Baldwin and wrote in Ron Paul and didn't get 3% of the vote adding them all together, running against a terrible, bumbling Republican his own Party base disliked and a Marxist who couldn't function without a teleprompter.

"Third Party" is already here. Go join them. Why are you waiting? Oh, yeah, which one are they?

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The Constitution Party (CP) is growing big time

Its getting a lot of hard core Republicans coming to the CP, as well as people tired of the two party system.

http://www.constitutionparty.com/

If the CP and the LP found a

If the CP and the LP found a way to work together they could probably give the establishment some serious competition.

...

Hummm...would that make it a "Constitutional Libertarian" party?

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celente should stick to what he knows best

and he clearly doesn't understand the two-party duopoly.

in football, there are two endzones. there are two teams. there are rules.

now imagine a football field with three sets of teams on the field.

how do they start the play? where is the third endzone? why isn't this working?

think about it.

in order for three teams to play on the same field, they would have to change the rules, and redesign the field. they would have to adopt an instant-voter- runoff system

so UNTIL the system changes, then we are just spinning our wheels talking about third-parties.

by the way, Instant-Runoff Voting is the system they use in spain's parliament, state and county local party elections, etc, etc, etc... so it's not like it's radically new.

Voting fort the lesser of

Voting fort the lesser of two eveils is still voting for evil. I am done with the GOP.

"The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance"- Thomas Jefferson

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

"... done with the GOP"

Tell me that when Ron Paul is the nominee.

false analogy

there are no restrictions in law that only two candidates can be in a race.

There are no "teams" running for office.

There are not two "endzones" in politics.

You either win or lose, but any number can try.

Some elections also result in more than one winner, such as small townships and councils that elect multiple at large members all at once.

Politics is not a football game, nor is it a horse race. It is what it is.