Six Senators Support ISPs In Net Neutrality Battle
That would be 6 sell-outs to the telecoms, you know the same ones that allowed the government to spy on us without warrants. And surprise they are all republicans.
ISPs opposing Net neutrality proposals made by the Federal Communications Commission chairman Monday now have the support of six members of Congress.
While it's no surprise that the big three carriers -- AT&T (NYSE:T), Verizon (NYSE:VZ) and Comcast (NSDQ:CMCSA) -- oppose government oversight of broadband policies, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas ), ranking member on the Senate Commerce Science, and Transportation Committee, also voiced concerns.
Following Net neutrality proposals made by FCC Chairman Julius Genachowsk Monday, Sen. Hutchison introduced an amendment to the Interior Appropriations bill that would prohibit the FCC from expending funds to develop and implement new regulatory mandates. The amendment is co-sponsored by Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.), Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kansas), Sen. David Vitter (R-La.), Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) and Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.).
http://www.crn.com/networking/220100506;jsessionid=ANI2IRHJ4...





















Doesn't anyone remember
that Ron Paul OPPOSES Net Neutrality because it is interference in free enterprise and markets. If some ISPs will limit their consumers, they will suffer from loss of subscribers who will migrate to the best deal, as has always been the case with the internet.
Look at the cell-phone industry as a relative example. Sprint has been bleeding subscribers so they are forced to introduce new programs such as free calls to anyone on any network with a mobile phone, anytime. Do you think they would do this if all providers were forced to be on the same ground? The free market provides for itself eventually. Government interference is a protection racket no matter how you look at it and even if the precedent established here is not used against subscribers today, someone eventually will.
Dr. Paul makes a similar comparison in his BookTV discussion of End the Fed when he tells the story of sitting down with then-Fed chief Paul Volker, who insisted legislative powers he was asking for would only be used to control inflation and restrict expansion. Paul correctly predicted that someone else down the line would use them to create it, i.e. Greenspan and Bernanke. All of this support for reactionary legislation is to be expected from the government statists, but from the DailyPaul? Come on.
See here:
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/29/ron-paul-softens-stance...
sounds good on the surface
does anyone know under what Constitutional Authority they have in doing this?
Perhaps, the commerce clause which was designed to keep states from unfairly regulating other states' imports?
if not, then it seems packet preference filtering is just another example of how to circumvent the Constitution. If you can't achieve something through government, then just do it through a corporation.
I am for this. I see this as
I am for this.
I see this as in the constitution, Keeping trade regular.
Many ISPs don't like Skype, a very low cost voip phone carrier. too much competition for them and they block them.
Comcast installed barriers so now I cannot send email to accounts on my works earthlink servers.
They attempted to keep Peer to Peer software from working by actively seeking and blocking the protocol. (bit torrent)
The only regulation required is to allow freedom. The ISPs are the gateway to the public internet and if they don't want some political or other content going across the network, then there has been nothing to stop them.
It's like a state border and if you drive a particular type of vehicle they wont let you pass.
That's the regulation we need. To keep commerce free and regular.
Watch the announcement and panel afterwords
http://www.openinternet.gov/join-discussion.html
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The plotters
behind the Fed Res Act deliberately did not go for their full wish list in the initial Act. They knew once something was passed they could refine it over time to their complete wishes easier than passing all they wanted in one go.
Be careful what you wish for with this, initially it may be benign but once the all powerful state sets a precedent for regulating the net you may not like the way that evolves over time.
To me that is what they will try to do with HC "REFORM" get something passed then refine it to a far more HC control scheme over time than initially.
On this matter and generally, RP has consistently been for REDUCING GOV/GOV INTERVENTION with essentially zero success thus far. In fact, GOV reach expands at an increasing rate. Do we as supporters of RP want to assist the growth of gov reach? I think, given what RP and in theory his supporters stand for, we should be absolutely certain what any new GOV power will be now and in the future w/ new authority before symbolically providing the Dr. NO Stamp of approval. Should we, as DPers/RP supporters be more focused on assisting Dr Paul in slowing gov growth, reducing Gov authority over our lives before assisting more growth. Seems to me the growth of gov is doing just fine without our help, reducing gov is essentially DOA.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
I hear ya and I agree with
I hear ya and I agree with what you say as well. (to a point)
But there is something to the commerce clause and it seems a good fit for applying to the internet. They put it there for a reason.
If there was more true competition among isp's and you really had a choice to leave isp's that do asinine things and there were other ones that didn't..
The regulation has to be what the can't do not what they must do.
I know any regulation is looked at very lowly around here.
"Don't tell me what i have to do! I'm a free man!"
Well sir, you have to let go of that man's arm from behind his back and allow him to walk freely.
But Yes, first we need to have a government we can control as a people first.. otherwise yes regulations are likely to be perverted and used against us.
But the problem still exists... the ISPs can shut us down at their whim and the internet warrants open access to all of it.
quite a conundrum..
I read your earlier comment regarding your specific issue
and was going to comment. I understand your frustration, I have similar issues in my area that box me in. The question is how did those situations develop? In my case and likely yours, the available choices to vote w/ my feet-allowing free market corrections to work-are non-existent because some gov intervention has already occurred to create monopolies, near monopolies and gov blessed colluding fronts. I think the RP view on this is a better way to go-get back to truly free markets and sue as appropriate. Seems to me a powerful argument can be made with existing law that these situations violate the First Amendment. I know the Constitution does not apply to private entities, limits gov, but since gov is involved in who plays licenses, etc. then in effect they are gov proxies.
There was a thread not long ago about only politicos get to "FIX" the problems they themselves created. So true it is almost comical. If there were no issues/problems what would they campaign on? Politicos need problems so they are incentivized to create and perpetuate them A big thing(scam) here, and around the country, is roads. The problems are obvious, the solutions are simple, the tax payers already provide ample funds for the solutions but ROADS/Traffic are a perpetual issue on which to stump. Both sides raid the monies set aside for roads to other programs, then beg for more money for roads, give contracts to Big contributors to FIX roads(maintenance fixes fall apart before the project is complete and capacity improvements are far too little far too late). Repeat cycle.
P.S. There is nothing so Permanent as a Temporary Gov Program/Agency
ex: See TVA
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I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
Gasoline neutrality
I want gasoline neutrality. I have a car that runs best on 91 octane gasoline. Currently, every gasoline carrier charges less for 87 octane. I will not rest until they charge just as much for 87 octane as I pay for 91 octane. The government must regulate regular!
The government already regulates gas
Thomas Jefferson once said, "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground."
Well, I guess he called that one.
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My Senator Is One of these
I just called my sentors office and let them have it. I mean I was barely civil.
My point was that there are technical issues here and that the lack of new regulation may actually produce the opposite effect and that I thought the senator may not understand the technicalities involved.
Any Proponents of this Gov Intervention please cite:
1. What current, SPECIFIC, problems/issues it would supposedly correct.
2. One example related to TELECOM where GOV intervention did not result, rapidly, in protection for the BIG Telecoms/Anti-competition.
Thanks
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
Just wondering if this NN gives the Administration any rights to
"control - limit" the Internet? I, too, am confused.
Post Roads?
Do you think the founders would have equated the internet (the backbone of the internet anyway) to a post road?
I'm sure I'm not the first one who has thought of this, anyone have any articles expounding on this idea?
How about private toll roads
How about private toll roads that regulate what vehicles can travel and the rate charged?
Networks are expensive to deploy and maintain. They are private property. Is regulation of how private property can be used/rented/sold a form of socialism?
http://FlipFlopRomney.blogspot.com
not all of the internet's roads are private
some go through state "roads," (if there is such a thing?)
Deregulation or privatization is a tool of companies like
Corrections Corporation of America. It is a scam and a huge threat to liberty. We need regulation with things that belong to the People like the internet and utilities. The sad thing is the regulation we get serves the corporations not the people so either way we are gonna get f*cked as usual.
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I think you have it backwards
"Net neutrality" is bad. It's not free-market.
http://news.cnet.com/Technology-Voters-Guide-Ron-Paul/2100-1...
We cannot let the telecoms dictate what happens on the web
In some situations free market won't cut it. In this case the government is telling the telecoms to keep their grimy hands off the net. That means no throttling or favoring one site over another. If the telecoms get their way the little Mom and Pop sites are doomed.
Thomas Jefferson once said, "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground."
Well, I guess he called that one.
A Republic, If You Can Keep It
WARNING...
Be very careful with this subject. Just remember what the Gubment does: labels a bill the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the the bill really does. So, while this "Net Neutrality" may be a good thing (I've not studied it enough), but it could also be a huge threat to Freedom.
The Internet is the biggest threat to the NWO, and they will do whatever is necessary to kill free internet speech. I've heard arguments on both sides that say NN is bad, and no NN is bad. Why must we do anything? Why should I trust the Chairman of the FCC?? (I don't) Be suspicious.
Just sayin...
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Found this on Reddit
The kids there seem to like it:
www.openinternet.gov
Um.. Mr. Nystrom
That's part of the FCC. It's a cute name for a site that wants ultimately one thing..
Control over the Internet.
FCC did the same thing with broadcasting.
I mean hey.. if you want controls put over your website eventually go ahead and think this is a good thing. No sweat off my back.
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If the gov wanted control they would just take it
We have 2 choices
1. No new rules, and the telecoms do whatever they like.
2. New rules that tell the telecoms they cannot discriminate.
I do not like gov. involvement in anything but I like the net the way it is, so I'll take #2..
Thomas Jefferson once said, "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground."
Well, I guess he called that one.
A Republic, If You Can Keep It
Jim I do not understand your reasoning here:
"1. No new rules, and the telecoms do whatever they like.
2. New rules that tell the telecoms they cannot discriminate.
I do not like gov. involvement in anything but I LIKE THE NET THE WAY IT IS, SO I'LL TAKE NUMBER #2..."
(caps added for emphasis)
You like things the way they are so you want gov intervention??
It ain't BROKE in your view but you want it FIXED? Please explain.
P.S. Please look at the results of the 1996 Telecommunications "REFORM" Bill.
Further, I have been, for work reasons to both the D and R National Conventions with all access credentials, including the "SUITES". The telecoms do not fear the Gov. Why? The GOV currently is the Telecom division of competition control.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
Comcast had already start throttling P2P b4 they got caught
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10004508-38.html
Thomas Jefferson once said, "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground."
Well, I guess he called that one.
A Republic, If You Can Keep It
bump.
bump.