Countdown to war with Iran begins
September ‘Surprise’
Iranian nuke facility revelation: countdown to war begins…
by Justin Raimondo, September 28, 2009
What did the U.S. government know about the "secret" Iranian nuclear research facility at Qom and when did it know it? That’s the question that isn’t on everyone’s lips, as the chatter about Iranian "intransigence" on nuclear issues reaches a crescendo in the run-up to Oct. 1, the date negotiations with Tehran are scheduled to start. Practically no one wants to ask let alone answer this question, because it torpedoes the American narrative that is being carefully constructed by the Obama administration and its media fan club, which runs something like this: the Iranians have been actively deceiving us all along and simply can’t be trusted – the only solution, therefore, is to initiate a series of escalating sanctions, up to and including military action.
The Obama-worshippers in the punditocracy are telling us that this is an example of the Dear Leader’s genius: unlike George W. Bush and the neocons, whose crude unilateralism and unmitigated arrogance was a turnoff to our allies and a boon to our enemies, Obama wisely held back and waited until he had the Iranians just where he wanted them, and then, as one of the more unhinged Obama maniacs put it, "Ka-pow!"
"And so you see the Obama mojo again. Look at the moves of the last month. He scraps the missile defense in Eastern Europe, pleasing Russia, and moves the focus of defense to the Mediterranean, pleasing Israel.
"He pwns [sic] Ahmadinejad at the UN by being the first president of the U.S. to preside over the resolution to enforce nuclear non-proliferation.
"He corrals the rhetorical support of the developing world, isolating Tehran still further. He hangs back a little and allows Brown and Sarkozy to do the heavy hitting on NoKo and Iran this past week, again revealing that the desire to curtail Ahmadinejad’s nukes is not only an American project.
"And then, this morning… kapow!"
This tale of heroic cunning and diplomatic derring-do is largely a product of Sullivan’s hero-worshipping imagination – the same tendency to idolatry that moved him to praise George W. Bush as little short of the second coming of Winston Churchill back in the day. It is, however, based on even less substance this time around, for it turns out that the U.S. has known about this "secret" facility for years, as CNN reports:
"The United States was aware of Iran’s unfinished uranium enrichment site for several years, senior U.S. officials told CNN on Friday. U.S. officials have known about the facility since President George W. Bush’s administration, according to the officials who declined to be identified because of the sensitive nature of the negotiations."
Yes, the Bushies knew about it, too, and said nothing – but why not? After all, George W. was not exactly known as an apologist for the Iranian regime, and he was no less eager than his successor to tag Tehran as a serial deceiver. The CIA knew about it when they issued that now inconvenient National Intelligence Estimate [.pdf] averring that Iran had abandoned all efforts to militarize its nuclear research in 2003. Were they trying to protect the Iranians, too? And, of course, Obama knew all about it – and decided to make use of it, in spite of the fact that (a) the Qom facility is not operational and (b) there is no evidence it is being used to create a nuclear weapon.
We are told the Iranians only recently discovered that we knew about Qom, which is why they chose to reveal its existence in a letter to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) – but, really, since the Iranians had a direct line to our most closely guarded secrets, via Ahmed Chalabi, in the days of the Bush administration, it’s hard to make that case with absolute assurance. In any case, they did admit the existence of the Qom facility and have now invited in the inspectors – and all of Obama’s stern admonitions to the Iranians to "come clean" cannot obfuscate Tehran’s transparency in this matter.
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$250 million War Game Blunder
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:UF6d8tu1VKAJ:borzoiblog....
Monday, January 14, 2008
Iranian isometric warfare...
In the simulation, General Van Riper sent wave after wave of relatively inexpensive speedboats to charge at the costlier, more advanced fleet approaching the Persian Gulf. His force of small boats attacked with machine guns and rockets, reinforced with missiles launched from land and air. Some of the small boats were loaded with explosives to detonate alongside American warships in suicide attacks. That core tactic of swarming played out in real life last weekend, though on a much more limited scale and without any shots fired...
That was not the case in the simulation, sponsored by the military’s Joint Forces Command. The victory of the force modeled after a Persian Gulf state — a composite of Iran and Iraq — astounded sponsors of what was then the largest joint war-fighting exercise ever held, involving 13,500 military members and civilians battling in nine live exercise ranges in the United States, and double that many computer simulations to replicate a number of different battles.
General Van Riper’s attack was much more complex and sophisticated than anything that could have involved the Iranian boats last weekend. The broad outline of the 2002 war game was reported at the time, but in interviews since last weekend’s episode, General Van Riper and other officers have provided new details about the simulation.
In the war game, scores of adversary speedboats and larger naval vessels had been shadowing and hectoring the Blue Team fleet for days. The Blue Team defenses also faced cruise missiles fired simultaneously from land and from warplanes, as well as the swarm of speedboats firing heavy machine guns and rockets — and pulling longside to detonate explosives on board.
When the Red Team sank much of the Blue navy despite the Blue navy’s firing of guns and missiles, it illustrated a cheap way to beat a very expensive fleet. After the Blue force was sunk, the game was ordered to begin again, with the Blue Team eventually declared the victor.
I just have to add
Making an aggressive war against Iran, I would deem as one of the most dastardly acts ever. A country that has not started a war in hundreds of years and has done nothing wrong...Follows all IAEA regulations...etc..make speeches about peace...
I would guess anyone who attacks them, would severely be condemned here in Europe.
I don´t know, but I guess the blow back will be enormous..
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
The Iranians
can't defend themselves against the U.S. forces and the Russians will offer no help. The Iranians can however jam up the Straits of Hormuz and cause a serious disruption of crude. A disruption of 2 to 3 weeks could be an economic disaster for the west. Would would $6 to $10 a gallon of gas do to the U.S. economy? I suspect it could be the straw that breaks the camels back. I think military action in Iran will have serious blowback and will be a disaster...leading to chaos.
New World Order motto = Order out of chaos
if an attack on Iran occurs
some estimates say 6 million human beings will die....we can't allow this to happen.
period.
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Sure seems like they will try it soon..
How they would do it without a draft, I wonder !
They need more troops for Afghanistan...so how on earth will they find troops for that...
Pretty sure no one from here will go...so have to be Americans...
Ofc,,,maybe if they just wave an American flag some, people will sign up...
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
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Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
There are still over 100,000 troops in Iraq
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and more private contractor mercenary groups. There never was a draw down in Iraq in order to be ready for Iran. I think it has been planned this way for several years. We have dozens of permanent bases in Iraq right now. Also , I think this is why Obama is stalling on more troops in Afghanistan. Israel will bomb Iran with our full support and by using part of the billions of our tax dollars we send them in aid.
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
To subdue Iran you will need many hundred thousands of troops
90 million in population that would all rally to the cause...
Would be far from any Iraq...The troops there is far from needed...
Well that´s my estimate anyway...Iran is mostly mountains, so no rally over sand dunes...
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
Israel has over 200 nukes
They will bomb the facility in question ( BTW that facility has been known for years) to institgate Iran retaliation and then all hell will break loose!
I have known this was coming and it truly sickens me!
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
I think this would be a
I think this would be a bombing campaign since we have no more troops.
But bombing can not subdue them...
Did not in Iraq nor Afghanistan...or any other country I know of...
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
bump
let's keep an eye on this because something tells me in my gut that they will use the swine flu cover to do this...swine flu "epidemic" to distract from an attack.
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Nuclear weapons not in their best interest...
If they converted their entire national power grid to nuclear energy; the would shame all of western civilization.
... its a thinkin' man's game...
Mark my words
Iran is perfecting nuclear power. When they do, assuming we don't destroy them first, they will put us to shame-- economically, and morally.
The new electrics will come from Persia. The PTB see this as a threat to the control they seek. The power is held in the webbing of the petrochemical industry.
really?
I find it difficult to believe that an OPEC nation that doesn't have the ability to refine it's own gas, or feed it's own people is so close to nuclear perfection.
I find it even more difficult that they will put us to shame economically.
I do agree with you that they are shaming us morally.
they will never be allowed to make it that far
ever.
missile defense shield
I posted a few weeks ago that the removal of the missile defense shield in Poland was a concession to Russia for turning a blind eye with Israel or the US to bomb Iran. Iran better get Russia back in their corner or they are unfortunately going to be toast.
This is just the latest
This is just the latest argument to justify removing another Middle Eastern government that is hostile to the New World Order. It was the actions of our politicians in removing Mohammed Mossadeq and replacing him with the British friendly Shah that created resentment (called blow back), and resulted in the Islamic Republic of Iran. The removal of Saddam Hussein is viewed as more interference in the affairs of those nations, and fuels hatred and terrorism against us.
Saddam was a murdering thug, but our own politicians supplied him and worked with him. Are they any better? Then, suddenly, they became concerned with his killing and murdering? I call that selective indignation.
Until we are attacked by another nation, or American lives are threatened, we need to stay out of the affairs of other nations. It is the involvement in their affairs that makes us the target of terrorism. And that terrorism is used to created Nazi-style legislation in this nation, allegedly to "protect us from terrorism", and in reality, to destroy our freedom.
Remember Operation Ajax....
The 1953 Iranian coup d’état (refered to as 28 Mordad 1332 in Iran) deposed the democratically-elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq.[1][2][3] The coup has been called "a critical event in post-war world history", the first covert operation by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) against a foreign government,[4] and is thought to have contributed to the 1979 overthrow of Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlevi and his replacement with the anti-Western Islamic Republic.[5]
The United States' Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) overthrew the government of the popular Prime Minister Mosaddeq at the request of, and with minor support from the British government. In what the CIA called Operation Ajax, the US enabled Mohammed Reza Pahlevi to become an all-powerful monarch, who went on to rule Iran with an iron fist for 26 years until he was overthrown in 1979.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
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Well, they're understood to be 18 months away from the bomb
My guess is that they'll free up the necessary troops over the next 6 months, crank out some human rights violation propaganda and start sorties midSummer. It'll all happen pretty fast once the ball starts rolling.
Israel has nukes
hundreds of them.....as their neighbor, Iran wants them too....seems reasonable to me.
http://search.yahoo.com....Israel's nuclear weapons
Good article.
Thanks for posting it.