WHAT PATRIOTS?!!!
Submitted by declarationofre... on Tue, 09/29/2009 - 17:20
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Rock throwing & busted
Rock throwing & busted windows in 1 town under police control hardly sounds like strategic planning of anything...You call that a defense ?
I would use the F word but my ears are sensative...Good people do Good deeds...Not only that interviews show persons who don't know why they are there...You better get you S--- together if you want to be heard.
Good people make it happen
340,000,000 people
What percentage of that do you think we here and others like us make up?
5% maybe 10% if extremely lucky spread thin across the USA. At this point warning others waking others preparing to ride out the storm is what it's going to take. Have a Constitution and Bill of rights and start over.
This slow motion train wreck we're watching is already off the tracks. We start shooting now we will only make ourselves targets. Let the rest of the populace that voted for McCain and Obama revolt first. No reason to be first in line to get shot.
At that point people will see the Tyrannical government for what they are and will flock to the cause of freedom in droves.
Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/
Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
Your sniffing glue Oruval if you think we have 5%
Unless you are adding in Glenn Beck Fans -- who have been pro-war conservatives for the last 8 years. Easily turned if they get the black man out of office.
Again I'm not talking about DPers or RPers.
But when Obama is running the exact policy as Bush and he's attacked 3000% more over it from "conservatives" (DPers and RPers excluded because we beat the hell out of Bush too) then you KNOW it's at least a tiny bit racist.
I mean it's the Bush Doctrine word for word.
Obama is not only the FIRST black president but SOMEHOW he's the first no-family'd President -- He has no power in his family line, nor does Michele.
They are primo-puppets of the Bush Admin; therefore, the conservative outcry is at least a bit racist.
I think our TRUE base is around 1% if you are going to say there are 340,000,000 Americans.
The voting populace was ONLY 158M or so (if that much). RP and the entire third party only had 3% in Nov '08.
All these phony conservatives were voting for McCain.
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I agree with Oruval
Your being far to specific, If we are talking like minded Individuals Id say 17 million might be a little conservative.
I have talked to many people who are ignorant to information front here on the web, but share the same views I do.
Consider this, War has many fronts, we are on the information front. For every one of us there are 50 maybe 100 regular Joes, and the ratio is growing in our favor every day.
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The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare
The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare
I mean they work for Corporatists - They don't "own" their shows
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SameCoin: What do you agree with?
That there are 340,000,000 Americans? Is that the 2010 concensus, I thought it'd be close to 306M.
Or that the Beckians, Savages, the Limbaugh's, the Hannitarians, the Levinites, O'Rilers, the Dodders -- the Pro-Bush, Pro-War and thus Pro-Fed people are "really in line with Ron Paul?
I don't think so.
They are fair weather fans -- You'll see what I mean if Ron Paul or one of our guys runs for President in 2012 (Maybe Schiff?).
They will take their 30,000,000 people right out of the Liberty Movement.
15M RPers -OR- 2M RPers comingling with 13M Beck 912ers?
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what is he saying there were no protesters at the G20?
there were too and there were quite a few. 7 of them got rounded up and put in jail. and there were many more who did not.
there's plenty of G20 videos of protesters getting hit hard...
where the hell has he been?
Ron Paul is my President
Ron Paul is My President
Hes talking
About where were the Oathkeepers during all of they why were they not preventing the unlawful arrests, Why were they not protecting the everyday protesters there. Why were they not there brandishing their teeth so to speak.
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The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare
The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare
The police like their
The police like their overtime too.
Good people do Good deeds
Good people make it happen
Oathkeepers
"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy
"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."
Bless you my Brother
Semper Fi!
1976-1982 USMC, You can thank me for my service by voting for Dr. Ron Paul, President 2012
Anger is an Ally as long as it's transmuted and directed
Left to it's own devices anger is like a steroidal five year old riding the Adderal-Sugar train into Nap Time -- All Big Motor Movements no Small Motor; no discernment, no rational thought!
This video will become the norm.
I've been saying for over a year now that we need to engage in Counter-Economics.
Pull Back from the Global-Mind Myth and get Community Active.
All my problems begin at my doorstep -- I have no problems 3000 miles away in Washington.
If we all Turtle-Up how will the 1.8M Federal Employees overcome 300M obstinate "locals only" movement.
The WRITING is on the wall.
You VOTE (abdicate self-rule -- it doesn't matter who too) and you Create the Best.
You LOBBY (hire someone else to steal others liberty or to sell your own)
VOTING and LOBBYING are a Perpetual War Model.
Liberty - Free-Markets - Competitive Currency is Golden Peace in the medium to long run.
Corporatism (Voting / Lobbying) is Revolution-in-Perpetuity in the medium to long run -- It is a Death Model.
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We have already been swallowed . . . .
and in the belly of the python. Folks, do as he suggests . . . anyway you can, everyday . . . at least tell a friend, attend an activity . . . but be consitstant, and cut yourself out of the belly of the python, even if it takes one tiny razor cut at a time. For others, do more.
And, violence is what the FEMA camps are hoping for.
This is not an easy situation, but the world will follow our actions, if in fact, we do put down this current, and coming tyranny.
It's time to dump the dead end issues, and do something.
“Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
http://www.foodincmovie.com/
http://www.dirtthemovie.org/
http://endoftheline.com
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
Passion?
I want to say "lighten up Francis" but I think he is right.
Watch the film "THX1138" online for a glimpse into the future.
http://www.pyrabang.com/view.php?ref=THX1138&post_id=7484
As Ron Paul has said..
Violence will come with the dollar collapse - we don't have to fire the first shot - in fact we may want to take cover to be around when the smoke clears.
Fellow Veterans, This Is A Call To Arms!
http://www.facebook.com/events/192677970828185/
February 20, 2012 - Veterans For Ron Paul March on D.C.!
Zak-tly!
I don't want to sound Manson-esque but it would indeed be foolish to waste all your ammo in the first volley. After the cannon fodder eliminate each other, the real enemy will be seen.
That would be a bad time to run low.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
That philosophy...
makes sense to me. You don't bring a knife to a gunfight, and going up against the goons in P'burg is not worth the outcome...
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Fossils Rock!
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
Of course we don't have to resort to violence
Read Jdayh's post below. It's about being there to raise awareness and provide moral support. We need to stop relying on the usual protestors to do our "dirty work" for us and get our carcasses out there--including the Oathkeepers. We need to stop thinking this will always be comfortable for all of us patriots and get off our asses and show up at the protests and marches. If 10 million people marched at the G20 do you think they could continue to ignore us? Besides, some of us could use the time away from DP anyway..including me.
"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy
"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."
Oathkeepers is not --
ready just yet! Give it a little more time. We are working overtime to get the numbers. We need your help along with everyone on the DP to let every LEO,Retired Military, Active Military, Firefighters, Sheriff's, etc to come on board. When the numbers of Oathkeepers reaches the DP, C4L numbers then the A@#holes will take notice.
100,000 ex military/LEO personnel pissed will make them wake up. Only then will non violence be able to work. Just like the Cold War. It is the threat of what could happen. Picture 100,000 INDIVIDUALS with no central core being pissed. Then they fold or anarchy takes over. Then you see CFR, Trilateralist, politicians have their heads on pikes on the capitol lawn.
Will it come to this? NO. Oathkeepers promotes non-violence. It is all up to the individual. Then HELL breaks loose.
1976-1982 USMC, You can thank me for my service by voting for Dr. Ron Paul, President 2012
Not that Im any better but
Not that Im any better but all I see here is hypocrite.
Were were the oath keeper during the NWO meeting?
Where was he? was he there?
doesn't say but mentions videos he watched of the event.
I think he needs a new plan. but then again that is just my HO
anger is but a step.
Same here...
was wondering why this dude is telling everybody else to go get their asses kicked, from the safety of his bedroom PC video.
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Fossils Rock!
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
All I can say is--
HELL YEA!!!
hes right!! there should have been a firefight at the very least
at the G20...
they bring stormtroopers to a peacful demonstration... and no militia shows up...no oathkeepers...no well planned Patriot groups to defend the constitution? (ie 1st ammendment rights?)
WHAT THE HELL??? Are they all talk ? No action?
THESE TYPE OF EVENTS DEMAND THAT THE PATRIOTS TAKE ACTION!! not passive after the event action...
Calm down and peace my Brother. You never
got back in touch with me. Did I offend you or what?
1976-1982 USMC, You can thank me for my service by voting for Dr. Ron Paul, President 2012
wow... your right...
just sent you an email...
That would not have done anything positive
All a firefight would have resulted in would be destroyed property, many dead civilians, a few dead jackboots, and even more claimed justification by the government to use force against 'the people'.
You want this? You think that such actions are necessary to further the cause of peace and liberty? Are you so cowardly as to not be willing to stand for your rights peacefully? Think of that student who stood alone in front of the tanks at Tiananmen Square. Would his action have been nearly as brave had he done it armed? Would it have appeared as brave? Would he have even lived long enough to step out of the crowd had he been armed?
I'd encourage you to rethink your position and evaluate just how ineffective any approach using violence is to achieving peace. We won't have peace through violence. We won't achieve liberty through slavery.
so the founders and the brave men and women of out nations
beginning were cowards? Standing up to force would be cowardly? There is a time for peaceful protest... but then there is a line in the sand ...once that line is crossed and crossed and crossed... they never stop!!
Had there been some armed patriots that stood their ground... and said, "NO MORE!!! " Things would have ended differently...Yes there may have been a few casualties.. but there would have been an investigation..etc.. and it would have woken up even more PATRIOTS THAT ARE ASLEEP!! (who knows if it was on the news.. you may have seen hundreds of Americans in force show up ...and support the few Patriots... Imagine that!!! Suddenly the cops are outnumbered?? Don't you think even more of them would be doubting their orders?
There is bravery and there is stupidity... ..
Chances are perhaps several thousand saw the video of the man with the bullhorn..lets say even 1 million....
Now imagine if the above would have happened instead... THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN SEEN BY WELL OVER 50 MILLION Americans....
How much change would that have inspired? How much more courage would it create in people watching that unfold? How much more cautious would the government be in the future? Perhaps the unconstitutional permits would then be challenged and eliminated ....
Where do you draw the line? If its when they show up at your house at 300AM ... to take you away..then its to late. (ie no one will see that on the news.. ) It is only in public venues that we have a chance of exposing their tyranny for the whole world to see!!
I share your frustration with the ways things are
But, I've come to realize that violence can not solve problems. And lest you misunderstand, I am no pacifist.
What exactly did the founding fathers accomplish with their actions? What did they put in place once they had seized the power of government? How was it used by them? How much more dangerous has their creation become? And finally, cite a single instance in history where an armed uprising to overthrow a government hasn't led to those wielding the superior force claiming the reigns of power for their own group and using it to reward those allied with them and punish their enemies all at the expense of everyone else.
Violence will not bring about an evolution to a peaceful society.
none.. you ask very good questions...
to answer them completely and correctly would take some time..and research... however..
What exactly did the founding fathers accomplish with their actions?
The first answer would have to be ... A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. that allowed more personal freedom and liberty to exist in this country than in any nation prior to the united stated existing. Was it perfect? perhaps not. but it was and is better than what is out there now. (or was out there)
Violence should only be used to defend ones home.. nation.. and loved ones. As you've heard.. "to protect the constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic" means exactly that TO PROTECT!!!
The government has taken on the role as a schoolyard bully (in many cases) And to deal with a bully you must give them a bloody nose. (or have tens of millions of non bully's show up and surround them.) Unfortunately the means of communications ie media are mostly controlled.. so the masses don't know what the gov. and G20 are up to. Therefore waking up tens of millions to our cause could take years ! However one correctly played out episode (as illustrated above) could create such an awareness.. that the masses get frickin pissed!! Imagine the police opening fire or attacking armed patriots... on camera.. and then they (HE PATRIOTS) defend themselves? HOW COULD YOU NOT TAKE THEIR SIDE WHEN WITNESSING THAT...???
this short video shows exactly what happened in Lexington...where 800 British stood against 70 patriots.. (if you have seen the G20 protest.. you can see that the ratios..were similar. http://www.earlyamerica.com/shot_heard.htm
Marketing freedom to the masses sometimes takes planning and sacrifice..but to do nothing will create eventual enslavement for all Americans
Kinda like the Boston Massacre where British regulars fired
upon a group of civilians is what this reminds me of.
What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!
What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!