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So.. Alan Grayson is a socialist ? :/
Submitted by kevinz on Wed, 09/30/2009 - 19:09
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I did not know that Alan Grayson was a socialist... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjfP3eRFSBs&feature=video_res... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn9361OuMQA&feature=sub Very disappointed, especially after his attacks against the FED :/ ... » |
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yes..
but he hates the FED so we will support him when he is right and dog him when he isn't!
You can count him as 'aye'
You can count him as 'aye' on Cap and Trade too.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2009-477
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"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left. While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,they both march in the same direction." - Paul Proctor
He has it right on the Fed, but on Health issues,
he is flat out wrong, and needs to read the Constitution. Just remember big government cannot exist without fiat currency, listen to Ron Paul.
If he believes
that you should give people free goods and services by taxation and inflation, then he is a socialist. Period. That is the job of charity, and it is up to the individual to chose who is worthy on a case by case basis as he is the one who owns the property (money). To subsidize the poor with stolen funds is to multiply the amount of poor overall and no honest man can consider that moral or just. If these mental midgets truly wanted to help the poor, they would be working continuously and donating most of it.......no they would rather keep their money and sentence you to despotism and poverty. If they don't understand these simple truths, they are no less guilty of the product of their evil ideas. The goal is to restore freedom and prosperity so that we can allow charity to fund the shrinking poor class.
"In the capitalist society there is a place and bread for all. Its ability to expand provides sustenance for every worker. Permanent unemployment is not a feature of free capitalism." - Mises - www.mises.org
"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com
In a word : Yes.
Check out what I just posted about Grayson and Neanderthals.
No doubt, he is a socialist.
I put that down before.
When everyone one praising him for his words on the Fed. He is a liberal. Just use his support on the issue to get rid of the Fed. Then throw him to the dogs.
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I get the feeling
when he's grilling someone from the FED about what happened to the money, he really just thinks congress should be in charge of spending all the money printed.
Check out his website...read the bit on health care. It's evident he thinks Government programs are the answer to what ails us.
The jokes on him though, maybe he'll figure it out when he can't scrape up two dimes to fund this thing or the other thing.
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Of course he is a socialist.
Of course he is a socialist. I thought everyone here knew that. The key is whether or not he is an honest one. I would take a honest and lawful socialist over someone who claims to be a conservative but allows the law to be violated. What we need more than anything in Washington right now are men and women of integrity who will strive to uphold the law even if it means personal risk or loss. We need people with a character like Ron Paul's, even if they do not agree with all of his philosophies. What the Federal Reserve does is illegal and corrupt. That is something even socialists and capitalists can agree with.
I agree that honesty is critical. But so is
the recognition of individual rights. I think Grayson failed on both counts.
It is not honest to call those with views different from one's own "knuckle-dragging Neanderthals," that just flatters his own partisans and doesn't honestly address the issues.
And since he loves a big, powerful central government that will impose its agendas on everyone, he obviously does not regard individual rights as paramount.
Socialist voluntaryists are fine, but not the usual ones that force their programs through government guns.
Grayson is on the hunt... As
Grayson is on the hunt...
As in... once he ends the Federal Reserve, his socialist dreams die with it. There's a wrinkle in his plan.
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That is nonsense. Socialism
That is nonsense. Socialism need not be corrupt or evil. It is one thing to desire that all people have nationalized health care or similar programs. It is another thing to get the money to support those programs illegally.
Could it not be considered just as immoral to allow the poor to suffer and die because no one else will take care of them?
I am no socialist. I believe that the best system involves people keeping their own money and in turn being generous with those in need in their communities. But in the absence of personal generosity, I can understand why some would look to the government to see to the task -- as misguided as that may be.
In other words, just because someone is a socialist does not mean that they are evil or corrupt.
I would also add a request that people read about other nations
Where there are no social welfare programs at all and a corporatist government. People live in abject poverty and almost no one steps in to help. If you are not part of the elite, you are part of the exceptionally poor. Eliminating the evil influence of the fed and the corportions that have sprung up around it would help everyone reach the goal of living a good life.
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lol!
Goood point.
wow......
What a flip flop from last friday!
scary!!
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As Peter Schiff explained,
As Peter Schiff explained, Alan is brilliant when it comes to finance, but when it comes to economics, he has bleeding heart tendencies. Schiff helped Grayson get into office, but they argue with each other over economics.
True socialism
Doesn't mean criminal activity is involved. A Democrat like Grayson believes in taxes that actually pay for something and benefit people. If we didn't have a corrupt medical system, or a corrupt insurance system or a currupt central bank then in theory socialism could work. The bottom line us that if these systems were not corrupt from the beginning then individual efforts and free markets would be working just fine. Democrats like Grayson are looking at what is going on now and seeing the hardships and the gaps and trying to do what he thinks will benefit society as a whole. I'm sure he believes in western medicine and genuinely believes that people need care. This doesn't mean he believes that a criminal organization like the fed should just rob the people
to fund their empire building, bring in tyranny and the people get nothing for their money.
False
"If we didn't have a corrupt medical system, or a corrupt insurance system or a currupt central bank then in theory socialism could work."
Socialism cannot work, social programs only work so long as they can be payed for from savings, all the while they are depleting those savings and growing in size and cost. At the point at which the savings are depleted and the programs immense, the inflation and borrowing begins and the destruction of society takes hold. Just look at our country, almost the entire value of the currency is gone, our property rights are nearly lost, and the ability to defend ourselves or choose Constitutional leaders is nearly impossible. All this and we are not even officially socialist yet. From the moment you use government to give away free or subsidized services you start the death march. People these days just have VERY short memories.
"In the capitalist society there is a place and bread for all. Its ability to expand provides sustenance for every worker. Permanent unemployment is not a feature of free capitalism." - Mises - www.mises.org
"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com
I know socialism doesn't work
But, in the minds of liberals it can work. Grayson is pissed that the money is being stolen instead of paying for the programs that he believes can work. All of the corrupt systems out there are stealing the money instead of using it for the benefit of the people. In his eyes, this it what is wrong. We can teach him that socialism is wrong and doesn't work at a later time, right now we need his help to end the fed. Of course, we'll see where his alliance is when they try to offer us the world bank instead of sovereign sound money. This will be a bigger hurdle than ending the fed. The fed will say "oh, we realize that we caused a lot of problems, what we need now is a bigger bank with more regulation" if he backs that then we are even more screwed. Anyone have an idea of where he stands on a sovereign sound currency? Will he think that a cashless microchipped population is the answer? Get your free microchip when you get your swine flu shot, it's a two for one. Once this happens it will be real convenient for them to say "hey, since you've already got your chip let's use it for everything". This big puzzle is just missing a corner piece yet the masses are still snoozing while holding it in their hand. Don't think for one second that everything that is going on right now are isolated problems.
I would just like to say ,
I would just like to say , if you believe the med system is corrupt then if it is SO profitable why hasn'T capitalism generated COMPETITION ?
BECAUSE the gov't is already screwing it up ..Where ever profit is there is Competition .. NOT when the gov't is involved, there is no comp..That's why there is a problem today ..They have created the problem & now they want to claim the med industry is ripping people off.. Just their kind of trick & tactic..Don't you get it yet ?
The gov't has brought this about , similar to other strange fenomina..
People out of work just when they want heathcare legislation..Two years ago we worked our tails off overtime, day & nite to fill orders & stock pile ..Stock pile for what ? The recession of course..The socialising of America...Their system was coming to a close so they took measures to CHANGE the system..The only place they have to bail their ass- out is communist Countries..The need for NWO.
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Please tell me....
how someone can be for this healthcare bill but wants to audit which would eventually end the fed..
He sees trillions going to the rich, he'd rather it go to people
If I didn't understand things a little better, I'd agree wholeheartedly. If the absolutely MUST give away trillions, I'd prefer it be in giving people healthcare than giving bankers yachts.
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Mike they are not giving
Mike they are not giving anything ,except you get the DEBT..And they are cleaning out your savings & investments to pull in their notes, at the same time printing new notes , unspent appropriations, to look like we are in crisis..I don't need an audit to see the plan ..the audit may catch something.
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Good people make it happen
That's why I said "if I didn't understand better"
I know that and you know that, but the socialist/democrats don't get it. That's why they see people who oppose social programs to be heartless because they don't ever consider where money comes from.
But...at the end of the day, somebody got billions and sure wasn't needy people.
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If giving people healthcare
Is giving people government healthcare, with mandetory vaccinations, and piss tests and subjecting your life to as the government sees fit, I would rather the rich have yachts, as the chances of me even seeing one is much better without government healthcare. Our healthcare problem is that government is in healthcare.
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I've come around the bend and am back in his camp, sort of
If we put all the crooks in prison, there would be LOTS of wealth, and no one with a lawful claim to it. (They do not get to keep their ill gotten gains in my fantasy world where Justice prevails...)
Once the Rothefellers are behind bars, let the redistribution begin!
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
Alan Greyson is a neolib
At the hearing, Greysom made it HIS day. Did you get the email from him warning of that his enemies, that banks, are going to fund his opponate so please help him? Alan is one of the 20 richest politicians in the USA. He's a freshman, and he fully intends to win in the game of a NWO. He is a divider, which is why he blasted the GOP on healthcare. Suddenly it's not the fed?
Just like the GOP has neocons, the Democratic party has Neolibs. The Neos.. have been the "duopoly", that fights by neocons fight conservatives and blame liberals, neolibs fight liberals and blame conservatives.. the conservatives and liberals lost.
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who gives a hoot
he's waking up democrats.
Waking them up to himself
He's a freshman with big plans for himself in the NWO.
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Imagine that ........ same
Imagine that ........ same as Kucinich!
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Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.
"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left. While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,they both march in the same direction." - Paul Proctor