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Frontline - Obama's War

As President Obama approaches a decision point on Afghanistan strategy and whether to increase troop levels, a 24-minute rough cut of the first act of Obama's War.

Warning: This video contains graphic language and violent imagery

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/p...




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135 Degrees???

135 Degrees??? %#@&!

And then add 40 to 80 lbs of gear, patrol the countryside and wait to be shot at.
If THAT's not torture, I'm not sure what is.

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Barack Obama urged to ACT after eight more US soliders die ...

in Afghanistan (Never let a crisis go to waste.)

White House under pressure over troop deployments as US military suffers deadliest day in more than a year

Richard Norton-Taylor, Jon Boone, Matthew Taylor and Ed Pilkington
The Guardian, Monday 5 October 2009

The American military suffered its deadliest day in Afghanistan in more than a year when eight soldiers were killed on Saturday in audacious daytime raids by insurgents on US outposts in the east of the country.

The deaths came as calls mounted in Washington and London for decisions to be taken quickly over future troop deployments to Afghanistan.

Barack Obama's administration, which will hold two meetings this week on military strategy in the region, was urged to bring its deliberations to an end swiftly or risk giving the impression of indecisiveness.

Anthony Zinni, the former commander of the US central command, told the CBS programme Face the Nation: "We have to be careful how long this goes on. It could be seen as being indecisive, unable to make a decision."

General Sir David Richards, the new head of the British army, said more troops were needed to improve security and take the fight to the Taliban.

"If you put in more troops, we can achieve the objectives laid upon us more quickly and with fewer casualties," he said. "You achieve greater security and the risk to your own troops declines."

More:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/05/us-military-afgh...

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Eight U.S. Soldiers Dead in Attack in Afghanistan

KABUL, Afghanistan — Insurgents besieged two American outposts in eastern Afghanistan on Saturday, American and Afghan officials said, killing eight Americans and two Afghan policemen in a bold daylight strike that was the deadliest for American soldiers in more than a year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/world/asia/05afghan.html?_...

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.
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UK link to same story. Too late for these guys, very sad.

This is Vietnam karma.

Afghanistan: Eight US soldiers killed as Taliban storm outpost
Nato-led forces have suffered their bloodiest attack in more than a year after eight American soldiers were killed in a multi-pronged assault on outposts near the Pakistan border.

Ben Farmer in Kabul
4:40PM BST 04 Oct 2009

Scores of insurgent fighters stormed the positions during a daylong battle in the border province of Nuristan.

The US military would not say whether the posts had been overrun, but admitted there had been "a change of sides" during a "sizeable battle".

Local officials said both outposts were on a hill in Kamdesh district and militants attacked the lower Afghan-held post before turning on the US hilltop position on Saturday.

Fighting continued in the district on Sunday, though Nato forces remained in control of the outposts and a spokesman said the insurgents had "paid a heavy price".

Up to six Afghan soldiers and a policeman were killed, while 11 police officers, including the local chief and his deputy, were missing presumed captured.

The coalition blamed the attack on a "tribal militia", but it was immediately claimed by the Taliban, who said a council would decide the fate of 35 captives.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/6...

Nationbuilding

Nationbuilding

Gave it five minutes


The speech the officer gave to the soldiers about making history... I am sure that is pretty much what the Nazi commanders told their troops before invading Poland.

This is a very sad state of affairs. Couldn't watch it any more.

great title

and i like how they show that it IS unwinable

coyote4freedom

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UK: Now the Brits are saying the same thing...MORE TROOPS!!

This is getting sicker by the day.

Army chief warns of 'terrifying prospect' of failure in Afghanistan
The head of the British Army, General Sir David Richards, has issued a wake-up call to the public by warning of the "terrifying prospect" of a defeat in Afghanistan.

Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondent
8:30PM BST 03 Oct 2009

In an unprecedented intervention, the chief of the general staff described the conflict as "this generation's war" and added that failure by Nato would have an "intoxicating effect" on militant Islam.

In his first interview as the head of the Army, Sir David told The Sunday Telegraph that if Britain and Nato failed in Afghanistan the risks to the western world would be "enormous" and "unimaginable".

He said: "If al-Qaeda and the Taliban believe they have defeated us – what next? Would they stop at Afghanistan? Pakistan is clearly a tempting target not least because of the fact that it is a nuclear-weaponed state and that is a terrifying prospect. Even if only a few of those (nuclear) weapons fell into their hands, believe me they would use them. The recent airlines plot has reminded us that there are people out there who would happily blow all of us up."

The general's intervention comes at a crucial time, with the US General in charge of operations in Afghanistan calling for more troops to be sent to the country to fight the Taliban.

At home, the Government has come under increasing pressure for the way it has handled the war, with critics saying the armed forces have been under-resourced.

More:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/62...

"We have no clue as to why he shot them." ???

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5921AO20091003
Shahedullah Shahed, spokesman for the governor of Wardak province west of Kabul, said the shooting took place after a combined team of Afghan and U.S. forces had returned from a joint operation late on Friday.
"The Americans were in the middle of sleep when an Afghan soldier on duty opened fire on them," Shahed said.
"We have no clue as to why he shot them."
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I wonder if this guy knows where babies come from.

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Andy: That is right. The Taliban are fighting the way...

we did against the British, to win our independence. We are fighting like the British in comparison. We are playing with a different deck and with a totally different agenda with to winning strategy.
I imagine that we will next place a tax in their tea, oh I mean their opium and marijuana crops.

I thought that we were suppose to have learned something from Vietnam. The generals keep making the same mistakes or is it our blasted bureaucrats. This is not rocket science. They need to study military history.

Note that the neocons have Obama trapped:

If he leaves, they will blame him for "losing Afghanistan".
If he stays, he will will lose Afghanistan.

Regardless, I just love it when these soulless scum turn on each other. That's is truly the best of all worlds.

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Right again Andy: The neocons want to trap Obama, but....

Obama seems already hell bent on increasing the number of troops. This makes it appear as if he is reluctantly increasing troops strength, that it isn't his fault. This is all a charade, like the leaking of the generals memo about 44k more troops. All is orchestrated to deflect away from the people responsible.

The soldiers are the ones that are really trapped!

The future calling...

...the evil our government is committing "over there" is likely to return "over here". What kind of jobs do you think most of the soldiers coming back with all of their limbs intact (mental stability is another issue altogether) will be looking for? COPS. Thats all they know how to do, and if they got a taste of power and liked it or are lost and don't know what else they could be good at then thats what the majority of them will be doing. Watching the way the Afghan men were treated with fake smiles and handshakes, daily patrolling and inspecting of their persons places, no freedom and total humiliation. If you were in their situation would you like us? Then there was the mustache soldier yelling at the translator who didn't understand what he was saying. Don't get me wrong, its not that guys fault, but its totally visible from even a glance that the provincial people coming in the military are the worst possible candidates for even attempting to deal with another culture on the other side of the world. Currently the standards for admission have gone down so low in the military that you can be a crackhead high school dropout gang member with multiple felonies and still get in with open arms. The worst part is that this cleaned up propaganda piece even makes me mad, so imagine what its like out there when there aren't any cameras.

Imperialism

During the McKinley era Americans argued against imperialism because they said it would threaten and erode rights for Americans at home.

U.S. held Afghanistan...

U.S. held Iraq...

I bought a new globe the other day and this is what it said.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

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This is occupation, there is no other stategy.

There are none of the previous techniques used in Vietnam and Iraq being employed here. Those techniques like Vietnamization," did not and do not work anyway.

There is no outright winning strategy. We are going to stay there, so that:

"The guy that you are nice to today is going to be the guy that doesn't shoot at you or another marine two rotations from now that comes back."

HOPING that this happens doesn't not win wars. This is a joke, a terribly flawed strategy. Our generals needed to go back to school and learn: war strategy 101. To make our troops believe that this approach will work is the biggest offense. Obtaining more troops for this mission only compounds this mistake and the killing.

This situation is a mess. There is no doubt why a formal declaration of war for any of these wars was never sought.

"Avoid entangling alliances." - Ron Paul

Two American soldiers shot dead by a "friend".

This is today. Oct.3 headline
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5921AO20091003

"I don't endorse anything they say"
~Ron Paul On the 911 Truth movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGyhlNY0y1k

A very telling quote indeed. It indicates the attitude of those

much higher in the chain of command, including civil authorities and so-called consultants, and the objectives that have been passed down to inferior grade officers, NCOs and other enlisted personnel. This is further reflected by conversations that took place between the military and local farmers via a translator.
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."

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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."

I agree with the view that this strategy constitutes the

desire to establish a general occupation. I tried to picture myself as one of the farmers (essentially unarmed relative to the forces surrounding me) attempting to live day-to-day in the middle of better-armed opposing forces.
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."

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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."

Where is my comment from yesterday?

Am I being censored here, Newt?

Go to http://www.afghanistanafterdemocracy.com/page10.html if you'd like a reality check on the legacy our troops are leaving in that poor land.

empire.

empire.

More than an occupation. A

More than an occupation. A Geonicide. Think of how many people have died in Iraq and Afghanistan because of our undeclared, unconstitutional wars of aggression. I think anyone who supports these wars is a Racist and they should be called out on it.

Not a war

An occupation, there's a BIG difference. Don't let these bastards dilute your thinking.

Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow

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forgive me ~

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I know the war is a terribly sad subject, but you need a commercial break ...

U.S. Condemned for Pre-Emptive use of Hillary Clinton against Pakistan

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/u_s_condemned_for_pre_...

Thanks "Wiz"..I needed that

* to end the night with a little lightness!! We need to remember to balance all the bad with some "commercial breaks"..for sanity's sake!!

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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

It's amazing

what those guys are able to pull off...

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welcome ~

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right on, liberty_belle!

odd for a vegetarian to be saying this but ...


you've got to have cake, you just can't eat steak.

Have the Courage to admit it...AIPAC won

The 'real war' is over...and we lost

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=107678&sectionid=351020202

Obama agrees to cover up Israel's nukes: report
Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:28:52 GMT

Israel has reportedly received an assurance by US President Barack Obama that it would not be pressured into accounting for its alleged nuclear arsenal or signing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

In a meeting with, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu obtained President Obama's guarantee that the White House would continue a 4-decade-old secret deal to allow Israel keep a nuclear arsenal without opening it to international inspections, The Washington Times reported on Friday quoting officials familiar with the matter.

"The president gave Israel an NPT treaty get out of jail free card," said a Senate staffer speaking on the condition of anonymity. "What this means is that the president gave commitments that politically he had no choice but to give regarding Israel's nuclear program."

"However, it calls into question virtually every part of the president's nonproliferation agenda."

Israel, which has allegedly introduced nuclear weapons in the volatile Middle East, maintains a policy of deliberate ambiguity and has so far refused to sign the NPT- a treaty which seeks to limit the spread of such weapons of mass destruction.

The tacit agreement prolonged the nuclear understanding reached between President Richard Nixon and Prime Minister Golda Meir in 1969.

In a reference to the May meeting with President Obama, the Israeli premier said in an interview with Israel's Channel 2 last week he had received "an itemized list of the strategic understandings that have existed for many years between Israel and the United States" regarding the nuclear arsenal.

"It was not for naught that I requested, and it was not for naught that I received [that document]," Netanyahu said.

"Give a man a gun, and he could rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he could rob the world."

What a joke that conference was.

The brightest minds in counter-insurgency coming together to control the brown animals.

What the heck are we doing there seriously. It feels like we are just a bunch of racists who think these Afghanis should do what we tell them.

Racism crosses international lines. Liberals will call us racists but look at them supporting the death of millions of middle easterners. Ironic isn't it.

What would you do if you lived over there as a villager?

Are you going to trust a bunch infidel foreign troops who could be gone next month? What are we doing? The experts actually believe this will work? This has absolutely no chance of working.