Feds Sentence Elaine Brown to 35 Years
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Tax activist Elaine Brown was given a virtual death sentence of 35 years today, according to the Associated Press. In July, Brown was convicted along with her husband of plotting to kill federal agents during a nine-month standoff at their Plainfield, New Hampshire home. Brown’s lawyer asked for a sentence of 35 years. The government wanted to impose a 41 year sentence.
In April 2006, Edward and Elaine Brown were indicted in the United States District Court in New Hampshire for numerous federal tax violations. The government accused the couple of not paying federal income taxes since 1996. They had not filed income tax returns since 1998. The government claimed they were responsible for taxes of more than $625,000. The Browns countered with tax protester statutory arguments and said the government had not presented any law requiring them to pay income taxes.
In April, 2007, the Browns ordered a court clerk to close their case and vowed to resist the case. Ed Brown published an open letter presenting his arguments against the government and pleaded with supporters to come to his home to aid in his defense against the government.
During a “standoff” at the Brown “compound,” as the corporate media described their home, United States Deputy Marshals disguised themselves as supporters and arrested the couple on October 4, 2007. “Ultimately, this open-door policy that they [the Browns] seemed to have which allowed the Browns to have some supporters bring them supplies, welcome followers and even host a picnic—this proved to be their undoing… They invited us in. We escorted them out,” Stephen Monier told the media on October 5.
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plotting to kill federal
plotting to kill federal agents???? whats up with that, i saw videos of them having peacefull gatherings. the government was flying over head with helicopters the courts were completely rail roading them. The gov was the criminals, things on continuiosly getting worse. I think the thing to think about, how can you not contribute to the banks is the answer. Dont borrow money, dont go to court, do everything you can to teach people about this movement.
It makes me sad to know wonderful people are in Jail and this is where i live.
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So if I have a peaceful gathering that means I am not capable of plotting violence? Hello? Anybody home?
Read the documents in the case, read about the co-defendants. Don't just trust youtube, it's not always accurate.
To each his own
I respect peaceful resistance as much or more than defending one's self against force, but that is not the point. On principle we must respect each individuals last stand, their "line in the sand", just because you would not respond as the Brown's doesn't mean you should judge their actions. We respect the equal liberty of others if we expect our own liberty to be respected by others. This is common sense. We all have a different perspective, but we don't need to denigrate other freedom lovers who have chosen a different method of expression. This is not a one size fits all movement. Do you remember when Dr. Paul was asked about the Brown's? Did he condemn them? He just said that they must be prepared for the consequences of standing up against the brute force of government.
Read the document called the Declaration of Independence, when any Government abuses our inalienable rights we have the DUTY to alter or abolish that government, the Brown's have their way, you have yours, their is no need to heap insults on them, they have suffered enough and will continue to suffer till the day they die, but it is not in vain.
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
Thomas Jefferson
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
Thomas Jefferson
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Is it possible to win a tax case against the IRS, of course it is but one has to have a complete and thorough knowledge of Black's Law and the UCC to do so and even then everything has to go right and in your favor throughout the duration of your case to win ... very difficult. The best way to beat the system is to take it over with overwhelming lawful critical mass... never forget they have the guns but we have the numbers.
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"The best way to beat the system is to take it over with overwhelming lawful critical mass... " right on
I still haven't seen the UCC method work though, you got a link?
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Peter Schiff pleaded with his father Irwin to use other methods in his fight against the IRS, Peter is using his method to win a Senate seat and Irwin is in federal prison. "There is the way things should be and the way they really are" from Tom Berringer's character Sargeant Barnes in Platoon
Yep
and plotting violence is out of bounds. I don't care what your stance is, planning to harm federal agents is suicide, these people are lucky they are just going to jail.
Are the fruits of your labor
Are the fruits of your labor worth defending?
The Founding Fathers Were
The Founding Fathers Were Illegal Tax Protesters. If John Adams had been intercepted during his many revolutionary missions to Europe he could have been hanged, yet he forged ahead. Sam Adams and the Sons of Liberty tarred and feathered tax collectors and burned their houses. The original Tea Party involved what today would be multiple felonies. When the British tried to confiscate the firearms of the people of Massachusetts they responded with riots and The Shot Heard Around the World. Thank goodness these champions of liberty were not so timid and servile as those who today believe that they can vote themselves a revolution.
I agree completely...
so many here are such well trained sheep.
who are you, Larken Rose?
I am working on a peaceful revolution. I also think many here would agree that peaceful revolution is the only way to go, I mean, the website is the DailyPaul for crying out loud, not the NextLexington.com. And please don't try to draw a parallel between this bunch of violent criminals and the founders.
Are you familiar with their case, at all? Have you read about their defense techniques? Have you checked out the documents they are using to "prove" their sovereignty? Or are you just trying to defend any tax dodger that is the flavor of the week on the internet? Since a lively discussion recently, I've read everything I can get my hands on about this case. These are not heroes, they are not fighting for anyone but themselves.
The points you're chosing to ignore
Government is force and taxation is theft.
The founding fathers were criminals who killed 'legitimate' law enforcement agents. They plotted, they amassed weapons, and they took deliberate actions to kill the agents of the 'legitimate' government which claimed them as it's serfs. Would you have preferred they begged instead? Or perhaps they ought to have just voted in somone else, right? They should have played by the rules, right?
You are part of the problem, you are part of the reason I don't have liberty.
um no
You're part of your own problem. if you want to dance with the government on that kind of level, go right ahead, be the change you want. I'm not stopping you, unless you conform to what people say on an internet forum. I don't see you leading some type of violent revolt, so I guess you're just tough on the internet, all bark and no bite. I think you're the reason you aren't "free"
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I like your idea. I think
I like your idea. I think I'm going to continue to excuse the government and all the violence and malcontent it creates. I heard that the apologists will probably be served hot meals in the FEMA camps. Sign me up!
Furlough-Buzz replies "um
Furlough-Buzz replies "um no" and then refutes nothing about the post he's replying to. My point is that people have "unalienable" rights. If that means anything at all, it means that they have the right to resist assaults against those rights.
Government by the consent of the governed. I don't consent. Where's the "opt out" clause?
fantastic
glad you cleared that up. So have you familiarized yourself with the brown case yet? Or are you still just defending anyone who resists the government, even if they plan on killing Federal agents. The thing is, they don't adhere to the government, but the adhere to religious law and they ascribe to the UCC-1 / nonsense method. So they are just picking and choosing which laws they like and which laws they don't. They think their method is the only real law to follow, so unfortunately, the government and 99.9999999999% of us don't consent to their laws.
My assumption is that you still have no idea about this case..
If you want to start violence, go ahead, once you get in the news, I'll make fun of you on the internet. Good luck with your war. check back if you can, I think they let you have a 35 seconds a day on the internet in prison
Allow me to clarify my statement for you
You believe in the legitimacy of government. You are a problem for those who want liberty.
In other words, you believe that some group of people get to declare themselves supreme in my life, that that group of people can declare how much of mine they will steal from me, that some group of people declare themselves 'the law', and that they declare there is no higer authority than themselves.
You believe in government, you believe in theft and the use of violence against peaceful people, YOU are part of the problem.
*** and one more thing. Violence only leads to more violence, A peaceful society will not come about by using violence.
No
I believe that if you don't like being governed by the United States, you can get the hell out. Good luck, I wish you well. If your view of the government taxation is that they are supreme to you, then you have self esteem problems. And you should clarify your position, you are against ALL OF US who want to help elect small government, freedom minded candidates like Ron Paul, who are working within the system to limit the intrusion into your private life. if you don't like working within the system and you think it's unrepairable, then you need to take action to get away. Pack your bags and leave, go try and start Anarchist Island, hell, make it a reality TV show, I'll help sponsor you.
I don't think well need to
I don't think well need to pack our bags and leave. With the imminent collapse of the American currency, defacto secessions will become commonplace.
I do find it amusing that people think the machine can be fixed if we change a couple of parts. I used to think that if we were somehow able to get 535 Ron Pauls seated in Congress that things might change. Sadly, I don't think this will ever come to fruition.
Scorpions...
One can never "reform" a bag of scorpions!
You don't own me or my property
Would you care to come try to force me off MY PROPERTY?
I doubt it.
***oh yeah, one more thing. If you don't think that the government believes it owns you simply refuse politely to go along with any of their dictates. Let me know how well that works for you.
If you don't believe in the legitimacy of government
How does that eliminate that fact that the force exists?
WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
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I'll explain it again for you
How many times shall I explain this? I guess once more at least, right?
As long as humans exist, there will be humans who would and will use force on other humans. The reason that the humans who are part of the group known as government get away with using force against other humans is because YOU do not see a problem with them doing so. i.e. YOU see government as legitimate. YOU believe that those humans who are part of the group known as government are entitled to declare what they will steal, from whom they will steal it, and that it's OK and justified if they kill those who resist them. YOU believe that I am not entitled to own myself.
If YOU didn't believe these things, if YOU didn't believe in the legitimacy of government, then how long do YOU think it'd take before the whole system fell apart?
Instead, you bicker with other humans how the system known as government would work perfectly if only those people were in charge, completely oblivious to the simple fact that YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to govern anyone but yourself.
The legitimacy issue is paramount. Read the OP and some of the comments here. How can anyone, how could the Browns, keep what is rightfully theirs while people like YOU continue to see the people who steal from them as righteous and legitimate?
Absolutely correct!
You are right on the money!
On October 3rd, 2009
All who crave political power distance themselves from the tax protesters. This is because they seek electoral acceptance by morons from the "greater good" (commie-think) crowd. What about Individual Sovereignty and Government by the Consent of the Governed? Like the Declaration of Independence and Common Sense call for. The statist tax systems are examples of coercive collectivism, and as such totally alien to liberty.
Consent of the Governed requires that those who don't desire to be governed be free to make that choice. People who get together to form a "government" have no claim on anyone but themselves, and no claim to any geographic jurisdiction beyond the private property of their members. A free people must be ever be wary of politically motivated (and other misguided) people who dress up their rhetoric with references to "The Common Good".
Many have beat the IRS
But it goes unpublicized! Two I know of are Tom Cryer and Vergie Krugler (sp)..Tom is an attorney in Shreveport, La., and Vergie is a pilot for UPS.
Once again: Ignorance prevails over knowledge!
Two important weak links in our chain over constitutional abuse is jury nullification and the definition of income (profit) v. wages (an exchange for service). The 16th amendment conferred no new powers, therefore it's not the problem. Ignorance is the problem. The government refused to show the law in court (define "income") to their hand picked jurors (not defendant peers). We are all too willing to give up our property to the governments (local, state, federal) which is self-inflicted slavery.
"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner
"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner
Elaine Brown was really breaking the law
Elaine Brown had a dental practice near the town that she lived in. She was doing illegal tax activity before her and her husband starting doing the tax protest stuff. There are many Americans that are REALLY fighting the tax system, but Elaine Brown wasn't one of them.
What a repulsive comment
What is the LAW? Read Frederick Bastiat and Lysander Spooner, then get back with me.
Taxation is theft PERIOD. All those resist the confiscation of their private property (at the level and manner of their choosing) are in the right. You people who ninny about the technicalities of resistance are a reproach to the freedom movement. Ed and Elaine are decent human beings who have been "made an example of" in order to intimidate others who would stand up in their own way. Their courage is almost unheard of in elderly people, you dishonor their last stand.
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
Thomas Jefferson
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
Thomas Jefferson
Elain Brown wasn't really fighting the tax system?
What part of her trying to keep her own property out of the hands of a gang of violent, greedy, lying thieves wasn't her fighting the tax system? And seeing as you seem to be such a self declared authority, would you please outline exactly how people like me can 'fight the tax system'? All USConstitutionWins approved like?