Your Religion Stinks
Your Religion Stinks
Lots of people seem to think that it's good--or at least possible--to keep religion and politics separate. Trouble is, they're both mostly about how other people should be treated, and they almost always conflict. Maybe people try to keep them separate just so they don't have to come face to face with their own internal contradictions and hypocrisy.
Lots of people consider themselves righteous, moral, devout folks, and take pride in how religious they are. I have one simple question for such people: "Do you advocate my enslavement?" They always say no (which is rarely true), and then they usually wonder why I would ask such a thing.
The reason I ask is because their faith and loyalty to "government" usually completely dwarfs, and renders useless, their belief in what they call their religion. If they piously live by the rule of "thou shalt not steal"--except when they're advocating that the state forcibly confiscate wealth from almost everyone they know (via "taxation")--what good is their "religion"? The fact that they don't commit the robbery themselves, but instead beg to "authority" to do it for them, doesn't make them noble; it makes them thieves and cowards (instead of just thieves).
Let me make this perfectly blunt.
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http://www.pyrabang.com/view.php?ref=freepress&post_id=41557
Amen.
Amen.
I guess my question is...
I guess my question is... how are you enslaved? enslaved because you want to the woman you got pregnant to have an abortion? enslaved because you want to have sex with a person of the same sex? give it a break and think.
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
I don't have problem with it
I don't have problem with it if you change all the you in to "I" :D
The first two paragraphs say it all..
another piece to lump everyone into the same boat and divide us as a group. If you aren't here for everyone whether religious, faithful, or none of the above, then you shouldn't claim to be here using DP as as tool to help fight for ALL. ANYONE claiming superiority to other freedom lover/fighters because of their faith or lack of faith obviously knows nothing. These ignorant post should come to a complete halt, not because of the OP content, but because we as DP "tool users" have proven that we can't concentrate on the main goal when there are such silly battles and arguments to have among us. Conversation and understanding is great, but that isn't how it goes. Too many among us have swallowed the pill that tells us we are intellectually superior to others based upon our faith/no faith stance. These people aren't here to help you and I fight for freedom, they are simply here to cause problems and give their battered egos a self-inflicted boost. Don't believe me, read through these post and see who bumps these post constantly, who calls groups of people names because of their thought system, and who claims outright to be intellectually superior. Guess what, they are all the same people. I have finally figured them out and I hope that you will too.
I tried to make the point
I tried to make the point that church and state are not separate these days by refusing to get a marriage license with my wife. We instead married each other without one. We were being harassed by our church leaders and accused of living in sin, adultery, and shacking up. I gave them the history of the marriage license and the definition. They didn't care, they said since it is policy to have one then it is a Commandment from God. They disfellowshipped us.
DIM
their loss
not yours..
guess that depends on
who you fellowship with. My family started attending our church, the wife and I weren't married, we had an eight year old son. We were welcomed with open arms, have became members and enjoy being there.
Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio
Share this with your Pastor/Minister/High Priest
I think they will have to admit they are wrong about the *real* need for a marriage license.
http://www.pyrabang.com/view.php?ref=THX1138&post_id=3429
Watch the film "THX1138" online for a glimpse into the future.
http://www.pyrabang.com/view.php?ref=THX1138&post_id=7484
Hmmmm, let me take a wild guess... JW?
Check out where the founder of that religion is buried...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mwIrvjgUWmc/R-a4acRMJLI/AAAAAAAAAx...
M husband got disfellowshipped almost 30 years ago. Believe it or not, his mother is beginning to come around a bit, and she speaks to him now.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
Nope we we're
Nope we were disfellowshipped from the LDS church. I'm still a strong believer but the church is not the same as what it used to be. My family line goes way back to the beginning of the LDS church. My 3rd great grandfather was a bodyguard for Joseph Smith.
DIM
LDS is a cult.... A prudent
LDS is a cult....
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
Explain please? Just saying
Explain please? Just saying "LDS is a Cult" says nothing. I just believe that the church is not the same as what it used to be before they conformed to the government in 1890. I read somewhere that historians have said that after 150 years a religion is totally the opposite. Its kind of like that game where when house have a group of people standing in a circle and one tells a story, by the time it get back to the original person, the story is completely different.
DIM
I like mormons!
they have a long history of supporting the US constitution, they put family first. they believe in frugality and personal responsibility.
and yes, I will be moving there soon.
" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien
Knowledge is power, action is love.
I wouldn't expect an honest response, bro.
"Its kind of like that game where when house have a group of people standing in a circle and one tells a story, by the time it get back to the original person, the story is completely different."
Yep, that's kind of like the way bad_karma gets his info, too.
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It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
Explain please? Just saying
Explain please? Just saying "LDS is a Cult" says nothing. I just believe that the church is not the same as what it used to be before they conformed to the government in 1890. I read somewhere that historians have said that after 150 years a religion is totally the opposite. Its kind of like that game where when house have a group of people standing in a circle and one tells a story, by the time it get back to the original person, the story is completely different.
DIM
Religious "Organizations" are the issue
I have to agree that there are many ways religious institutions work their ideology to restrict or control the way the "flock" should interpret, or outright discount information. However, many ideals of religions themselves, are noble and teach attainment of peace through benevolence and justice. The problem lies not in the belief, but the reliance on an authority to interpret what your particular messia's message indicates. This is the part where the whole faith issue breaks down for me. Should I be free to study the words for myself and take from them the solace I find. Thereby having faith that my creator has endowed within me the wisdom to understand his message as it was meant for me. Or do I have faith that he has bestowed an inordinate amount of theological insight to the other human who stands in front of me on sunday (or any other day of official observance) and instructs me on how my creator wishes me to follow his designed plan. People, I say that faith is good, but instituting a belief in blind faith is toxic. Faith in anything is something to be earned through observance of actions, and always up for reevaluation. This ties in to another dangerous mantra in the organization of at least Christianity, the villification of judgement. People must be judged on their actions.To advocate nobody is perfect and therefore everyone is above reproch for indescretions is detrimental to all. Even if kept pure and applied universally I feel is counterintuitive to survival, but it is invariably used to install judgements to some while others (people of a like mind) get a pass. Believe whatever it is that brings you closer to a peaceful frame of conciouness, but come to the belief yourself.
I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.
John Locke
I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.
John Locke
not just religion and
not just religion and politics.
people.
lot's of apolitical non-religious people would see you rot in jail for wearing fur, or cutting a tree down, or driving an SUV.
people with no attachment to to politics and religion have all sorts of ideas as to what their version of society should look like.
Said benignly: how can one live a just life and work in America?
upon realizing this, it has greatly bothered me. Any answers?
LibertyDefined.org | If | Not Perfect
you know,
that is becoming increasingly difficult... someone emailed me this list today and if one goes out to just 'get a job' he is most likely going to be working for one of these guys who are working behind the scenes to undercut our liberty....
http://www.isma.com/List-of-member-companies
Unfortunately, these
Unfortunately, these companies use the Constitution and the power derived from it to protect their patents. In this way, like the mafia they control production and corner the market. If you do not belong to this group you will likely not be able to bring your product to the market. Of course patents are important, but I don't agree that as tax payers we should pay to protect the patents of corporations. It should be up to a company to protect it's own secrets. It is for this reason that we have such a large military complex protecting the interests of corporations around the world. We go to wars to protect the secrets and the markets of corporations like these. It is wrong. In my opinion the founding founders were wrong for establishing that the government should provide protection of patents. Patent rights should be private and protection of them should be private. If a company can't keep a secret then it is no longer a secret and is therefore free information.
grant
A little off topic
but where in the bible does it say Isreal belongs to the Jews from the holocaust and it was ok to take the land from the Palestinians?
Nowhere. God gave
the ancient Israelites that land, but it was theirs only as long as they kept covenant with their God. They didn't, and God booted them in A.D. 70. It was no longer theirs by right.
That being said, the Jews started coming into "Palestine" early in the 20th century, buying land as they went, and starting kibbutzim. They didn't take it. In 1948 the rest of the world (United Nations) gave the land to the Jews, which was a foolish thing to do given Muslim animosity. The only land they have taken since then was land they won after they were attacked.
there has never been a time
when there wasn't some degree of "Jewish" presence in that area. They do have an ancestrial heritage tying them to the land...
Of course there was always an 'Ishmael' section for the 'Philistines' as well..
Thanks for trying
but not quite the answer I was looking for. I guess I'm asking why so many christains in this country seem to believe God wants Isreal to be given the land at the suffering and with no regard to the needs and feelings of the Palestinians? Where is the scripture they justify this action with? So many use that as the only justification for defending Isreal and disregarding Palestine. Sure the holocaust was awful. Again,What did the palestinians have to do with it? Why should they suffer or give up their homes for the displaced Jews? Could there not have been a better way to help the victims of the holocaust than making more victims and creating more conflict?
3rd hand understanding
I think it is a twisted understanding of Revelations, but i can't tell you exactly the scripture. They think Israel has to be remade (done) and then be overthrown (to pay for dissin' on Jesus) in order for THEIR "New World" to get here. The one where the lion and the lamb get kinky and it is OK... ;)
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
I think I read somewhere
I think I read somewhere that Revelations was written sometime in the 1800's. As a matter of fact, I believe that "Christianity" was actually organized about 300 years after Jesus' death. Jesus Christ never, to my knowledge, had anything to do with Christianity or organized religion in any form. To Jesus, it was all about Love - pretty simple, really and not organized at all.
Edit:
Also, over half of the new testament was written by one man - the Apostle Paul (a male chauvanist). And those books were nothing more than personalized form letters written to the existing churches. Not very inspirational, if you ask me.
Needless to say, when reading the Bible, I prefer the red words - those that are the direct quotes of Jesus. His teachings were mostly parables and everyone at any level of spirituality can come away with good spiritual insight when focusing on them.
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It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
Jesus attended synagogue all his life.
He kept all the Jewish holy days, and the Law of Moses. That equals participating in organized religion.
His death and resurrection was the beginning of the New Covenant, and He did it on purpose. Before he ascended into heaven, Jesus told his disciples, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." A short time later what is known at Pentecost happened, during which 3,000 people were converted to Christianity.
Around A.D. 50 the leaders of the Christian church met in what is now called the Counsel of Jerusalem. It is mentioned in the book of Acts in the New Testament.
That is when Christianity began, not 300 years later.
Carrot Top
Thanks for the correction. It seems that I have some more studying to do. So tell me - how do YOU feel about Paul and the fact that the New Testament is largely
written by him? And do you know if I'm correct in saying that Revelations was added in the 1800's? Thanks.
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It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
That's
How I feel about too. Paul always rubbed me the wrong way. He was contradictory and hypocritical. If I remember correctly a few of the red words seem to be out of character for Jesus too. Not many, but a few. I think man had alot to do with manipulating so called Gods word. I think it was tampered with from it's original text and intent. It was passed down by word of mouth fo a long time before it was written. I think man altered it to use for controlling others and gaining power. Made it political.
Thanks for the input ameriannna.
You're welcome, chonk.
I think we're on the same page on this! :)
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It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!