Why do they keep asking the third party question?
Submitted by whatsnext on Tue, 12/04/2007 - 15:31I don't know if someone has brought this up before but I have a theory as to why the media continues to ask Dr. Paul if he will run as a third party candidate.
By continually asking the question and receiving the "I have no plans to" answer they may be trying to trap him in a lie if by some chance Dr. Paul were to, at the pleading of his supporters, go ahead and run as a third party candidate, if necesary. I could see them using the clips of his many responses to then try and make him out as inconsistent and even question his integrity.
I have never heard Ron Paul totally rule out running on a third party ticket. He always says that he "has no plans to" and I don't think that he should have any plans other than to win the nomination and the presidency at this time. I plan on him being the Republican nominee when the primaries are over but I think the "establishment" is deathly afraid of a Ron Paul third party candidacy and may be trying to lay the groundwork to discredit him.
Just a thought.
I wrote the campaign
I asked the Doc to say this to the 3rd party question.
"Are you going to ask me this question when I win the Republican nomination?"
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questions in a similar vein
let's hope the media
asks taxhikemike "will you accept a vice presidency?"
asks mccain "why do you blame america for WWII?"
asks ghouliani "when dressing up as a woman, do you match your panties to your makup or to your shoes?"
and asks romney "what will your position on abortion be next year? and how about the year after that?"
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It might be that Ron has them genuinely scared because he will not answer. They are all thinking; hey if this guy does run as an independent; he might pull votes from so and so; so who should we really support as the media? Just a thought; but I guess I am a conspiracy theorist:)...
They may be scared?
However, it is not about pulling votes! They are scared of loosing their control of the elections!!
Ron Paul (to date) has done a wonderful job of adding to their worries. He doesn't, and shouldn't answer these BS questions with a finite answer! In my opinion he should turn their question against them!
The Media (MSM) already knows "who" they want to support, thus they are NOT fishing for that answer. They are fishing for a SOUND BITE to use against Dr. Paul to help prop up Their Choice!
They Want their Sound Bite !!!!!
The MSM originally gave RP some airtime to allow his "radical" ideas of following the very document he was/is Sworn to uphold a chance to turn off the voters.
This didn't work, thus they began their policy of ignoring him.
Next we see a broad strategy of 5th grader name calling.
Then the 11/05 money bomb forced their hand and they began interviewing him (always with the planted questions) but it didn't work.
They have now generally reverted to the ignore him stage, with the exception of CNN which has continued their never ending QUEST to get a sound bite to use against Dr. Paul!!!!!!!!!!
Sprinkle in the regular stabs generated at the supporters for being kooks, fringe, etc. and what you have is The United States of America……Screeeeech….. I mean the Authoritarian Commands of the Fascist.
The only thing I will add to the mix is the "other" question. "Should you not receive the Republican nomination... could/would you support the GOP nominee??
What a BS crock of S**T question!!!
They alternate between the two questions hoping to get a sound bite that they can use over and over and over and over. Do you all remember the Dean Scream????
Ron Paul is wise to their goals and he should NEVER answer any of these questions in such a manner as to facilitate their wishes.
Wake Up MSM... We are a Real force, you Won't buy us, RP is onto your Bulls**t ways... and finally you can be assured that we will NOT drift into the wind.
The R3VOLUTION is Real... and will last well beyond this election cycle, whether we win or loose this time!
He needs to turn the tables
His answer should be "I get this question a lot. Are you really this worried I might win the Republican nomination? If I did run third party, are you afraid that I will pull a lot of votes? Since there is speculation that republicans don't really support me, how can this hurt the republican party? It should help the republicans win if I pull so many democrat votes away from their nominee."
VERY... VERY GOOD POINT !!!!
You said it perfectly!
Ron Paul/National... Are You Listening?
Why does everybody think this is an either-or proposition?
...because it's not. Break the mold. He should do both.
I posted on FMN a while back on this. What I basically said was that the CP and LP nominations may find him beforehand and he would be a real unity candidate ("Triple Threat" I believe). There is no reason he can't do both. And he should, because it gaurantees a momentum loss will not happen if he does not get the nomination in the split St. Paul convention.
With the CP on the ballot in 40 states and LP in 48, and with their conventions happenning in April and May, respectively, there is enough time to get those nods and have those parties work on their ballot access issues outside of Dr. Pauls' GOP efforts. There is really no reason why it could not be done, either.
It would be amazing if he showed up on some ballots as 3/5 of the national candidates as 1 of 3 national candidates (against a D and G, no less!), and in this race those extra nods could push him over the top if the race is close.
As for the media, screw 'em! We've gotten this far in spite of them and we'll continue to make headway.
There's a lot of plusses to going both ways, and if done correctly, they outnumber the minuses.
"Fight wars for a just cause, not just because!"
Funny that
they don't push a step further and say "will you change your mind?"
"Do you pledge/promise?"
They all know Paul is honest, so they can ask now, if he promises not to, he can't lie, if he doesn't, he's got it in his back pocket.
Marginalize
I have thought about the "3rd party question" often...even sent the Paul campaign a letter about it. When almost 99.9% of MSM interviewers ask the question you know there is something foul going on. They even stepped up their efforts in the YouBoob debate where they allowed the guy to ask the question for them like so "...will you let your country down by not running as a 3rd party..." That is when I started putting 2 and 2 together regarding their motives.
I personally do not think this is about saving GOP because Ron Paul is drawing equal numbers away from both parties. The MSM isn't truly about left or right...they are about status quo. They try to equally divide us to immobilize and stabilize.
I, like the other person above, think this has to do with marginalizing Ron Paul in order to protect the status quo. Chompsky describes how one of the MSM's main jobs is to "bound the argument" or define what an acceptable "left" politician is and what an acceptable "right" politician is. If they control that...they control everything over the long term.
They can't afford to have a popular Ron Paul running as either Republican or Democrat...it is outside their acceptable bounds of what Left and Right is. If they can label Ron 3rd party, Independant, Fringe, Outsider, etc. then they have marginalized him and continue their "divide and conquer" agenda innoculating the system against any real change. We will keep gettting the same agenda whether they are left or right in office. Both options erode our liberties.
Instead of looking at the constitution...the MSM gets us looking at those evil people on the other side of the aile...they get us fighting eachother. Ron Paul gets us to move past partisan bull crap and join together to defend the constitution.
I have that mental image of superman carrying the bomb off into space so it can't really do any damage. Ron Paul going 3rd party would carry all of us off to the sidelines so we can't really do any "destabilizing" to the establishment. But if Ron Paul sticks to it...carrying us to the heart of the GOP...one of two things happen.
1. He gets the nomination and we see the real fight begin.
2. He martyrs himself politically and the GOP has to face the reality of us in their midst.
Ron Paul is a true conservative...the main stream GOP runners are the imposters. They should be 3rd party.
Brainwashed and Dumbed Down
I agree with swegele. I cannot tell you how many people who I run into who like Ron Paul but will not vote for him because as "Republicans" they do not think Ron Paul is a strong enough "name" to defeat Hillary. These people have been sadly brainwashed to think that its more important to elect a republican than someone they believe in. Even in the primary all I hear is we must be "united" and not seem divided. We don't want someone just winning the nomination we want it to be a landslide.
I wonder
I wonder why no one has asked Giuliani if he'd consider an Independent run as I think he once ran as an Independent. Romney was called to the left of Kennedy. Huckabee has raised taxes more in Arkansas than Clinton!
Third Party Question
The reason that Dr. Paul is continually asked whether he will run on a third party ticket is because the annoionted candidates: Mittens Romney and Rudy Ghoulani et al, would like to accuse Ron Paul of not being a "real Republican". Ron Paul is smart enough to be able to handle them. He says that he has absolutely no plans to run on a third party ticket. They are unable to associate him with an independent run, and yet they are afraid that someone may talk him into it.
I agree with the way the doctor is answering. Speaking for myself, If Ron Paul does not get the Republican nomination, I will vote for a third party candidate. There is no way that I could vote for any of the Democrat or Republican candidates other than Ron Paul.
Every other candidate stands for a continuation of what we are all fighting. The day of voting for the lesser of two evils is over. I think the Republican leadership realizes this. And I think that they would prefer to see the Republican Party go down in defeat, rather than have an advocate of Constitutional government win the election.
If Ron Paul's message can be heard by enough Americans soon enough, he will win the election. It's as simple as that. His message is very dangerous to the special interests, because it appeals to people across the political spectrum. Almost all of us are sick of corrupt, big government. Most of us see our freedom disappearing. We can all see what is happening to the dollar.
What we have to do is to convince the skeptics of the fact that it is our foreign policy which is initiating the terrorist attacks against us. These people don't hate us for no reason. We need to mind our own business. Ron Paul has it right.
The other thing that we have to do is to continue to expose the proposed North American Union, and the NAFTA Super Highway or Corridor. There is plenty of evidence for this. The more we bring this evidence to the American people, the quicker we expose our current politicians and their lap dogs in mainstream media.
No ... its the other way
No ... its the other way around, ..... they suckered Pat Buchanan into a 3rd party try, they then ignored him thus shrinking his republican pull and drawing back republicans to the party.
Not so fast says Ron Paul, I will not endorse any GOP nominee....(and nor will his voters support anyone else) .... which all means that the GOP NOMINEE will not be getting 10% - 15% of the Republican votes....thus that means Giuliani or whomever will loose to Hillary n company who will get behind their parties choice.
Ron Paul and us patriots are saying in effect to the GOP, its either get behind Ron Paul or you can kiss some Hillary butt for 8 years. That is why they constantly ask...will you support the parties nominee... NOPE. Get with Ron Paul or prepare to loose to hillary, cause we revolutionaries and patriots will write in Ron Paul for 2008.
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Could Not Have said it Better!
The only thing I will add to the mix is the "other" question. "Should you not receive the Republican nomination... could/would you support the GOP nominee??
What a BS crock of S**T question!!!
They alternate between the two questions hoping to get a soundbite that they can use over and over and over and over... well you get the point.
Ron Paul is wise to their goals and he shoul NEVER answer any of these question in such a manner to facilate their wishes.
Wake Up MSM... We are a Real force, you Won't buy us, RP is onto your Bulls**t ways... and finally you can be assured that we will NOT drift into the wind.
The R3VOLUTION is Real... and will last well beyond this election cycle, whether we win or loose this time!
Vote of a lifetime.
"nor will his voters support anyone else." Exactly right! Now that I have discovered an honest, intelligent and honorable Presidential candidate, how could I ruin this vote of a lifetime with anything less than this perfect vote?
Maybe down the road I will go back to voting for a less than honorable candidate, but it will NOT be this election.
Ron Paul is messing up the scheme or scam...
that's why "they" want Ron Paul to be on a third-party ticket. If your scheme is good cop / bad cop then you have to be sure the teams know their role. The dems were the bad cops after clinton left. The repubs were the good cops when GWB took office. Now they have shifted roles. Ron Paul is playing the good cop while being on the bad cops team. It's simple really. Also, the third party can be excluded from debates and such with little "blowback"...even if the candidate is "top-tier". It's happened in the past many times. If the Independent or third party grumbles, then the dems and repubs unite and defend their candidates thus drowning out any descent from third parties.
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."
-George Washington
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."
-George Washington
yeah, plus
they are trying to emphasize to us over and over that he isn't going to win to demotivate us.
Your right
That's probably why it seems to frustrate more and more when I hear that Question asked.
No, the here's the reason why...
IF a third party comes to the table, it will be a media bonanza. Ad spending will surge another few hundred million.
The media want to build things up and then break things apart. The more players, the better they'll enjoy doing that.
IMHO,
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you are right.
you are right.
Just a guess...
My guess is that most of the MSM is Liberal and Ron Paul running as a 3rd Party would pretty much guarantee the Libs the White House. That's really why.
The Republican's can't win without Ron Paul and they know it. They know if they don't give him the GOP nomination, they can pretty much kiss it goodbye.. they are stuck. It's too bad they don't realize what they are doing wrong.
The country will eventually correct itself hopefully before it's too late.
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A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges. - Ben Franklin
You forget
Both Parties are technically paid for already...they would just be choosing the puppet.