Anarchist bias in Dailypaul blog
It is not fair to the vast majority of patriots on here to have a small special interest fringe ideology dominate the privileged Blog section. Posts on the blog section last longer and have more influence on new visitors than posts in the general forum. Can we stop the bias of this site towards anarchy? I am not saying to block posts on the topic, just as I would not call for blocking posts of any other topic. I would just ask that if you are going to give special privileges to one ideology, that you would give equal time to competing ideologies. Even better, you could just keep the blog informative and neutral when it comes to political philosophy.
Sorry to complain, but it is something that I feel strongly about. It does not seem to be in keeping with Mike's very neutral and ecumenical demeanor on this forum to have the site so blatantly endorse one view that is not Dr. Paul instituted.
minarchism is a false answer
And the younger generation sees that more clearly than ever before. The Free State Project has a good mix of minarchists and anarchists, and you can clearly see the generational correlation. Anarchy/anarcho-capitalism/voluntaryism/agorism/etc appeals to the young looking for truth because it is consistent and correct.
If you want to grow the movement and have a real shot at achieving liberty, and you're not an anarchist yet, I strongly recommend you revisit the philosophical arguments for anarchy (see Murray Rothbard, Stefan Molyneux, Larken Rose, or Wes Bertrand to start with) with an open but critical mind. Even if you don't make the leap yourself, I think it's in your interests and the interests of the liberty movement to learn to co-exist peacefully with anarchists such as myself, and to find where our values overlap for coordinated efforts (like promoting Austrian economics).
Panarchy
Panarchy offers a solution to minarchists who are not willing to budge from their position.
If some people want constitutionalism or socialism among themselves, they should have it. Panarchy is completely consistent with the non-aggression axiom.
Do you even know what
Do you even know what anarchy is? Sounds like you are more afraid of the word than anything. Let others live their life and then you can live yours the way you want to. Thats all there is to it.
You Judge A Tree By It's Fruit, NOT its Flower
Hmmmm
A stateless solution is the only form of true liberty.
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Fortune Favors the Bold
I am an anarchist. I don't care about constitutionalism, except insofar as I agree with the morality of possible results. Take from that what you will.
Fortune Favors the Bold
leave the anarchists alone
Their fantasies will only appear on print, so why not let them have fun making up stories about a humanity that will never exist?
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I think I agree with you.
The two areas that really should be controlled by Mr. Nystrom is ....
1. The front page posts.
2. The blog posts.
These choices by Mr. Nystrom will dictate the success of this site.
And if I were him ...
I would make sure these two areas reflect RP's message as closely as possible.
I can say no more.
God Bless.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
Control, dictatorship and allusion to censorship?
Hmmm...
Seems like it.
interesting outlook.
No.
CHA-CHING!
CHA-CHING!
BmoreBrawler, lighten up
BmoreBrawler, lighten up already! What's wrong with a good, rollicking debate about the ideal form of government? More fun than decent people ought to have:)
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.
nothing is wrong with it.
nothing is wrong with it. That isnt the point, though.
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Last time I checked, the
Last time I checked, the Constitutionalists are also free to post and initiate threads. I don't see the need for some "fairness doctrine" to allow the views of non-anarchists to be considered at the DP.
From a purely intellectual standpoint, I am intrigued both by ideas of a minimalist, Constitutionally based government AND by anarchy. Debate helps sharpen and define my own beliefs...and I also look at it as an opportunity to learn.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.
sigh, BLOG
sigh, BLOG
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OK, BmoreBrawler...I got it...
Sorry to have offended you by making the discussion broader. I must also admit I don't often check the list of blog posts...but I *do* notice the subject lines.
How does one get on this hallowed list of bloggers anyway?
Again...my apologies. I don't want to make enemies in the same town...
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.
The balancing issue
here seems to be that these shrill anarchists here on the board are successful in alienating more and more people with every post they make.
So, if they were obscure to begin with, they are almost totally ignored now, except by the other zealots doing the same thing.
They should be allowed to alienate as many people as they can.
I have no desire to see them muzzled. They are doing a great job.
Fairness Doctrine
Maybe we can show the country the way forward and be the first internet website to institute the Fairness Doctrine !
Ron Paul reads Rothbard. Ron Paul's 'The Case for Gold' reads almost exactly like Murray Rothbard's 'A History of Money and Banking in the United States.' In fact Paul acknowledges Rothbard in his 'The Case for Gold'. Point being, if you hung out with Rothbard you're probably at least sympathetic to market anarachy
P.S. almost every argument, unless it's a non-sequitur, leveled against market anarchy is the same in form as an argument leveled against the free market in general. That's because market anarchy is just the free market writ large.
Every freedom lover should be at least acquainted with market anarchy to get a better handle on how to counter anti-market arguments.
The State does not equal government. You can get over the state fetish.
Well said
"Every freedom lover should be at least acquainted with market anarchy to get a better handle on how to counter anti-market arguments."
Free yourself.
Repent, for the reign of YaHUaH is near!
Well does this mean Daily Paul needs an Anarchist page?
http://therootsofchange.com
Statist bias from certain posters
Tell me again how free I'd be if you got your way. Tell me again how much of my property you'd steal to fund the government you want. Tell me again how dead I'd be if I resisted your government's efforts to steal from me and enforce the rules you approve of on me.
Dr. Paul himself said that self governance is what we ought to be working towards. Deal with it. The idea isn't going to go away.
to minarchists: answer this question
You asked this question many times on different posts, but no minarchists have dared to answer it.
I challenge all minarchists/constitutionalists to answer the question directly without being evasive.
apportioned taxes.
just as the constitution calls for. the only way to make taxes fair is to make them avoidable. doing this will require a much smaller government, which is the whole point anyway!
" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien
Knowledge is power, action is love.
You mean, if you started
You mean, if you started shooting at tax collectors? Pretty dead.
These debates on anarchism vs minarchism are so pointless. Most of the minarchists can't get past the definition of anarchism, and most of the anarchists haven't read enough of their own material to have an honest debate(assuming they even desire one). The majority rarely get past chapter one of their leaders books, or merely stick with the writings of the second-hand intellectual Lew Rockwell.
I swear, arguing with the followers of the anarchists is like arguing with communists. All you get is pre-packed platitudes, with no attempt to find a common reference point. I'm sure I could have a great conversation with Rothbard, Hoppe, Block, or Friedman, but arguing with anyone lower than that will go nowhere productive.
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ok friedman not anarchist.
Why is this something so hard to grasp that you have to be a well read philosophical scholar? The government sucks. You don't need government for responsible adults. Any attempt to create a small government results in a large one. This stuff should work, how else does it need to be explained?
Isn't there something to be said for taking the extreme position? Instead of arguing about 27% taxes vs 37% wouldn't it be nice to go with none?
David Friedman not an
David Friedman not an anarchist?
Like I said, I have actually read their material while you and your ilk on this forum have not.
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ah the ilk...
Its clear with that phrase you don't belong in the liberty movement. Judging people as if you are superior is a clear standard for authoritarians and general people with a thirst for control over others.
Ah sorry for my confusion. David Friedman maybe considered an anarchist, his few books and speeches aren't exactly the most well known. Especially since his PHd is in physics and the others you listed off are in economics....well my fault for confusing him with is dad.
Nope haven't read any of David's stuff, but the Hoppe, Rothbard, and Block I have.
So you admit finally that you'd have me killed.
There you go! See, that wasn't that hard, was it? You finally admitted that you'd have me killed for attempting to defend what is mine from YOU. And that is the difference between minarchism and anarchism. Minarchists like YOU like to try and dress up your agression against innocent peaceful people by comparing it to worse forms of agression, but in the end you are exactly the same.
YOU WOULD AND WILL KILL PEOPLE FOR TRYING TO KEEP WHAT BELONGS TO THEM AND DEFENDING THEMSELVES.
And that's your version of liberty?
You would have yourself killed, through self righteous ignorance
While you may be a great admirer of the likes of OBL and rebuke the USA FORCES for all the same reasons and more, the fact is, you are in the system and subject to it as much as anyone else, pro or con.
I believe where you go wrong is blaming others.
You do not have a right to exist. That is the law of nature.
WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
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Do as you say or else, huh?
Baseless accusations and threats are all you've got, huh?
Again, you blame me for your choice
have you seen the movie, "Steal This Movie"? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5858962939917432628#
I think it does a real good job showing people what it is like to try to escape the sytem, after all Abiie Hoffman, made the choice to rebuke the system.
WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
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