Microchip Implant to Link Your Health Records, Credit History, Social Security
http://industry.bnet.com/pharma/10004616/microchip-implant-t...
The idea is sinister enough in itself, and of course, the usual players are involved.
What really disturbs me about this article isn't the topic, that doesn't surprise me at all, for many saw this coming.
No what disturbs me is a subtle shift in language that demonstrates psychological programming techniques. I rail against people using the wrong words to talk about things and people look at me like I've lost my mind. I try to plead with them, that using the wrong words distorts both the debate, AND your perception of the world. It also makes it more difficult for people to have a conversation or reach an agreement if they aren't speaking the same "language." By "language" I mean that part of communication, while using familiar words, may have a completely different connotation between the speaker and the listener.
Let me demonstrate from the first paragraph of the article:
"an implanted chip that links to an online database containing all your medical records, credit history and your social security ID."
Note the end of the sentence. They used the term "ID" instead of "number." There is NO Social Security "ID." It is an account number. It is not personal identification. In fact, there are laws AGAINST using it as personal identification.
This subtle shift in language may very well be unintentional, but it is still sinister nonetheless. The author could clearly view the SSN as an ID. But he would be wrong. And by referring to it as an ID is not only incorrect on its face (since the SSA does not refer to it as such, nor any other official agency or group) but also serves to slyly shape views and perceptions of his readers to come to accept the SSN as an Identification Device.
I'm not posting this to argue the merits of the plan promoted by Veri-Chip and others. But have at it if you like. I'm posting this both to make people aware of the progress on this plan, as well as the problem with not using proper terminology when discussing subjects. And I wanted to alert DP readers to an example of a language shift that has transforming psychological implications - what some may call "brainwashing."
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Hell with all the good and indifferent people, Bankers already..
.....HAVE chips, being RFID tags in each of the major shopping malls!
They can track every piece of product you are holding in your hands. What is to stop these same megalomaniacs from demanding world currency, and a universal ID chip!??
Clearly not a thing, except BACKLASH!!!!
Chips in your shoes when you buy them, c/c info ties to shoe.
Governments and banks hate cash. They want to eliminate cash.
What if all Chinese have chip in wallet, and at some point in future a dictator arrives, unless you add 666 to your number, you can't buy, you can't sell, you are marginalized.
A world dictator could be in the making.
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And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
Did you read the rest of the
Did you read the rest of the article?
"It’s a future in which your doctor tags you like a dog with a microchip that allows anyone with the right privileges to look at your medical records, credit history, social security number (see slide 6), and anything else that stems from that.
Suddenly, storing medical records on paper in locked cabinets inside a single doctor’s office starts to look like something we may not want to rush to give up."
This doesn't sound like the work of an evil manipulator who is intentionally trying to dupe people into believing the propaganda.
I think the "social security ID" was just unintentional poor word choice.
Of course ...This is the
Of course ...This is the only thing "IT" is about..Gov't income & income preservation, just in time to bail their failed policies of the past..Heathcare has nothing to do with this ..It"s save face time ...If they cared so much for health there would be no war..I got a draft notice from my neighbors years ago ..They didn't care about my health then...They forced my brother to get smoke detectors in his home because they care ..They didn't care when they gave him his draft notice...If you believe they care about your health , I have a set of concrete shoes for you to buy..How can they regulate "preventative" health measures ? They are screeming for this from every corner of fitness cats... There is only one way, one excuse.. Information chip of some sort..You will not be able to buy what you realy want any longer & your body & parts will belong to the health system ..Your body will not be your own , any longer..The gov't will make a fortune off of selling body parts for sure...What a windfall it will be for the failed systems of the Coalition ..This is just foresight on my part..Of course who am I to be believed...I only observe.
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My thoughts
SSNs are used for identification in government, medicare, medicade, grants, and social security benefits are all identified by SSN. Apparently, many people share the same names.
I think the chip, as a medical OPTION is good, especially for people with Alzheimers and memory loss, and maybe it can replace pace makers, and help who depend on a perpetual chain of strangers to attend to their healthcare needs.
I think calling it, "mark of the beast", reduces whatever "evils" to just another Xtian fearmongering event. Employing "bibical" terms turns the article into a sermon, not a scientific report opposing the chip.
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Granger, have a shot of my Jagermeister today :-)
Have you ever tried opening a bank account, buying a house or a car, getting insurance, signing up for Internet service, obtaining any kind of home utilities, buying a cell phone, going to court, getting a credit card, playing the stock market, having children, going to the emergency room, getting a passport or state ID or checking your credit rating – without a social security number?
Want me to keep going?
When the social security number was introduced there were fears about and protests over it being used as a form of ID. The government at that time promised repeatedly that the SSN would never, under any circumstances, be used as a form of ID. Now you can't do squat without rendering it to someone as an ID.
I understand what you're saying about the OPTION, but you don't seem to see from history that OPTIONS are how REQUIREMENTS come into play. They will offer the chip, which is a double-edged sword, as an option, initially. Once it is commonly accepted and the spotlights are shined all over the favorable edge of the sword for a few years, they will say something along the lines of, “Look, this chip has done some very good things and a lot of people have accepted it – no problems so far. But now we have this issue, which can only be solved if everyone accepts the chip, so here's the new legislation that says everyone will take it.” Then, a few years thereafter, the dangerous edge of the sword, which was the overall goal to begin with, begins to cut you down.
Surely you have to see by now that it's how they play the game. Look at how many times they have tried to shove RealID down our throats. Thank God people recognized what that was all about and fought it hard. But how many times have they repackaged and rebranded it and tried again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVEPlxwlzCE&fmt=18
George Gordon doesn't have a SS# and he does just fine
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No, he doesn't have a bank account because he only trades with gold or barter, but he does JUST fine, thank you, and hopefully I can attain his same status in the near future.
He revoked his SS# back in 1978, I believe.
Here are a few of his audio links within a series that touches on this topic:
When you Receive the Letter from Hell
The Letter from Hell, an IRS Supeona
What is a Denizen?
Citizenship ain't all it's Cracked up to Be.
Warranty Deed = Virgin Whore...Both Oxymorons
And here's a link to his entire audio archive:
George Gordon's audio archive
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I'm aware of Gordon (and others like him)
I fight with people (companies) all the time because they demand my SSN and I refuse to give it. The majority of them are sympathetic to my concerns, but subsequently tell me that their system will not let them proceed in serving me without entering a SSN. It ends up taking an act of God to get things which otherwise could have been obtained in a 5-minute phone call, had I just surrendered a SSN.
Where the SSN is concerned, I was making the point that the system and 99% of the businesses in it revolve around the SSN as the standard ID – which was promised never to happen by the people who introduced the SSN. I was trying to make people realize how easily and likely this RFID issue could, in time, become the next SSN.
Thanks for the links! I hadn't yet seen some of them.
I don't dissagree with anything you said Echelon
I believe the chip is going to be used for good things, and I'm sure it will be used for bad things.
Fact is, it exists, so the job is to keep it for good things, like helping the memory impaired, though I have a feeling it's going to be used for prisoners.
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Ok, then receive your CHIP happily - but leave us out .
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I didn't say everyone should be chipped
I am saying that I do see how the chip can help some people, such as those with memory loss and other applications I'm not aware of because I don't have health issues, but allot of people do, and if a chip can help them, why not?
As far as chipping the population... I don't see that happening. Maybe if the population was a 500 million, but I don't see 7 billion chipped people in my lifetime.
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You only recite excuses, for
You only recite excuses, for the chipping of people.. Nothing new that has not been delt with in the past...The population was not only born yesterday.. There were plans done in the past to handle these health issues on a personal level..We never needed the gov't intervention since the beginning of humanity ..Why all of a sudden we look to the gov't for these solutions?.. Income & income preservation for the Gov't is the reason we need to go to these lengths...It has NOTHING to do with personal wellbeing of the citizens..
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Maybe if the population was 500 million
Ever heard of Agenda 21?
Do you realize how close our economic situation pushes us toward the potential the civil wars and massive deaths that Ron Paul predicted, and toward the broadening scope of wars on a global scale?
Aside from the bloody aspect, the highest art of warfare is to never fire a single shot or let your enemy even notice that there is a war. When you control the money, the food, the land, the natural resources, the world governments and the politics, there are thousands of ways you can kill off a population without ever letting them know you are attacking them. Starvation, disease and displacement are the most effective and most widely used tools today.
I read an AP article just yesterday that spoke of how a record 1 billion people are now starving, and how that number is growing by leaps and bounds, seemingly with no solution is sight. Do you think such things are unfortunate accidents? Would you completely deny even the mere possibility that such things could be fostered by people who are in position to manipulate it, and/or that those people exist? I'm not asking you if you think people ARE behind such things; I'm just asking you whether or not you think it could be done, and whether or not you think people exist who would be willing to do it.
I know that you and I have had different ideology on occasion, but please try to understand the manipulation, which I know that you know is practiced by those in power.
And your “not in my lifetime” (paraphrased) comment hit the nail squarely on the head of how things work. Subtlety, secrecy and very slow time cycles are the key. Most people know that things are bad and that there are a few people in this world who want to control the masses. But how many of them can tell you exactly how we got where we are? How many people can tell you, “THAT! That event/entity changed our course and led us to the crap we're in today!”? Many people sit around, saying to themselves, ”The nerve! They think they can control me?! I won't let it happen. The second I see them cross the line and make it clear what they're doing, I'll fight them off!” But we'll never see that line crossed in any concrete manner that will grab our consciousness and appall us enough to resist it en masse. The line is intentionally and very cunningly blurred for us, constantly. More and more, we find ourselves saying, “Well, okay, so they did this. Even though I don't like this, it's not THAT much worse than that, which I'm already used to, so I won't waste my time fighting it. I have more in-my-face issues of distraction to worry about!” But then, after several iterations of “this” you find yourself in a very bad situation where “that” has happened– arrived at in barely-noticeable baby steps. The people who play the game in this manner are very patient,generation after generation. They are part of bigger and broader plans, some of which even THEY don't expect to see happen in THEIR lifetimes, and this has been the case for centuries, although their Divine Plan for the Ages is nearing completion. We are among the last few generations of its implementation. The key to its success is that you don't notice it or even know it exists. If you do happen to notice, you'll likely scoff it away and simply dismiss it. I don't mean to sound cliché here, as other people have used similar lines, but I will reiterate the thought because there is so much overwhelming truth to it: It doesn't matter if you believe this stuff; THEY believe it, THEY are subjecting you to it and it is working for them. As a fellow patriot so very accurately put it, ”Every encroachment becomes a precedent for another and another. When we are ready to stand up to arbitrary power and embrace the responsibilities that the government is trying to assume for us, then we have a chance at pruning the overgrown garden.”
So is it okay for mass-chipping (or anything else for that matter) to happen in your grandchildrens' lifetime as long as it doesn't happen in yours? Is it okay for you to be a doorway to something dark, as long as the darkness doesn't become evident in your lifetime?
This whole “not in my lifetime” thing was a major stumbling block for me for a long time until I realized (was hit like a ton of bricks) what Woodrow Wilson was talking about when he said...
“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”
...and what Jefferson was referring to when he said...
“If the people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.”
...and I began to see the pieces of what James Madison referred to when he said...
“Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of freedoms of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
This mass chipping/control issue is no different, and it is a direct, specific goal that has been stated on multiple occasions by those who, by the same slow and subtle means, have come to own and control the governments of the world today.
When you have some free time, please invest a little over an hour to watch a presentation given by an ex KGB agent. I have posted this before, but I think it might help you understand why my thought processes are so warped in comparison to your own - because I see and understand things like this at work around us, and I understand their implications for us and our children. :-) Even if for no other reason than to say, “Echelon, you are a quack! The agent in the video is a quack! I watched your video and have come to the conclusion that you have **** for brains!”, please invest the time to watch the series (a little over an hour, total): Link set here.
Also, there are mechanisms being used to drive the world toward a common goal that I'm sure you would fight, if it were obvious. If you will take even 20... 30... 40 minutes a week to study this, and if you get to the point that you genuinely understand it, then, whether or not you agree with it or believe it, you will be amazed at how often you see it, right under your nose, at work in the world around you, and appalled (at yourself) for never having noticed it before. Again, even if for no other reason than to scoff at me for my wacky ideology, please take the time to at least try to understand it: http://www.class.uidaho.edu/mickelsen/ToC/McTaggart.htm
If you will do these two favors I ask, it will be interesting to get your thoughts thereafter.
Also, samadamscw, I apologize for the long-winded post that is not entirely relevant to your thread. I'm not trying to detract from the subject matter here because it is highly important and we should continue to focus on it, but it scares me when people don't or won't recognize things with very important implications – RFID, in this case. In any case, I will not elaborate on this sub-segment of the thread further.
interesting points . . .
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
it's difficult, if you have been without television for over a decade--
to see how different he thought processes of those who regularly view it are from those who have been without it--
it can be difficult to communicate; I was recently discussing with a friend the move from morality/ethics to sophistry before Athens was destroyed, and American culture is at that point now--
it is shocking to me to see how so many of my fellow Americans think; they can't comprehend some of the things I have been thinking about from a place of reading and removing myself from MSM.
I am still speaking American English, as are they, but our world view is decidedly not the same.
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
Yeah, that's why they started
helping dogs, so they could move up to bigger things, like us.
I agree 2bfree
I also wonder what other countries have done this or have plans to do this.
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An interesting number that you picked.
500 million.
That just happens to be the number that the World Population Council and other NWO organizations pick for the number of "sustainable population".
And also the same number engraved on the Georgia Guidestones.
It's "the number" that they've picked as their goal.
Of course, that means that over 90% of the people on the Earth must die for them to reach their goal.
Maybe they only plan to chip the 500 million that are left after they are done killing most of the world population?
that is why I picked that number
I ask myself the same question as your last. I think the chips will be for the rich and prisoners.
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It's funny
As I initially sat here reading this, there was documentary about Hitler on TV, which I could hear in the background. At the times when the narrator spoke specifically on Hitler's rise to power and on the influence he had over the people, his oratory methods were cited as most highly influential. It's not uncommon for me to hear similar oratory daily today.
In addition to NLP that some here have cited, there have been psychological studies done which indicate that specific, repetitive inflection patterns in spoken (audible) words can influence people as well, in one specific direction or another. I realize that the article shown here is written word, but I just wanted to point out that some very bright people spend lots of time and money, sitting around and figuring out how to manipulate us by all kinds of mechanisms related to spoken and written word.
Regarding the chip itself, most of us know what its advocates are up to in that arena. If and when it comes to the point where that technology is forced upon the masses, it would be good to have an understanding of it (the technology). At that point, the fight will turn away from advocates of the technology to the technology itself. Example: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/08/epassport .
Also, this is somewhat of an offshoot, but still interesting: http://www.wsbtv.com/money/3694965/detail.html .
Trust me , If they go to the
Trust me , If they go to the trouble of implants or I.D. markings, they will have a NON compliance or Anti tampering effect or ability contained within same decision..There will be no turning or wanting to turn back the ID...It will either be too enticing or too neccessary to live without ..A person would come to total dependancy, if accepted..A tool of the State.
They may possibly contain a mind altering internal injection device containing seren or other control substance...Mind Control is the KEY..
Remember the BIG picture..."WORSHIP"
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The speaking cadence you mention had a book written on it
but I don't recall the title or the author. I just remember a commentator noting that Obama had indeed studied the book and was openly practicing its suggestions for winning over an audience based on cadence rather than actual content.
I'm going to check out those links you gave, very interesting looking.
A little off-topic...
Snapshot of crowd at one of Obama's speeches.
Snapshot of crowd at one of Hitler's speeches.
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"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"
GANDHI
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"
GANDHI
this psychological brainwashing
through altering the meaning of words, etc. is apparently called "neuro-linguistic programming". A friend mentioned it to me the other day but I haven't studied it yet. Sounds like the same psychological warfare the secret societies have been using on us for ages.
YES! See my comment all the way at the bottom of the
thread. There are links to a really good documentary on this and its use throughout the 20th century.
You are right.
NLP is quite effective for either manipulating people or discerning what is really being said. There is a lot of info on it on the internet. You will get millions of hits if you Google it.
Here is an NLP anecdote.
...About my days as a stand-up comic, in New York, in the 1980s. Alan Colmes (an old friend who was MC at the Comic Strip one night) introduced me with this: "I'd like to bring up a guy now who used to write for Saturday Night Live!" The audience cheered and stomped. It was not true. I never wrote for them, ever. Alan then added, "Unfortunately, they never accepted anything he ever wrote..." But the audience didn't 'hear' that part. They really thought I had written for SNL. When I went up to do my set, every joke killed. They thought I was some anointed being! It was just the same old routine I had done for weeks, but the audience thought it was hip and very funny because of Alan's intro. Crazy stuff.
Absolutely
There are actually NLP schools now, offering certifications for NLP - to be used in the business arena: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=nlp+training&fr=yfp-t-501&t... .
I'm considering getting a certification. Fight fire with fire.
You don't need to see my identification. These aren't the droids you're looking for. I can go about my business. Move along.
Yes... we... can... :-)
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How difficult would it be to move my whole family where you live?
Is it possible to come there and live off the land without having to rely on the infrastructure, or would my wife and i have to get slave jobs?
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I sent you an email
No sense taking up space on this thread, and it would be off-topic.
Cheers!
Yikes - that was an old email - I just updated it to a new one
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Go ahead and copy your email and send it to my new email address in my profile.
Thanks, zenpiper.
And for those who think it's evil to bail on the U.S., were the Pilgrims evil who got on the Mayflower?
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