Open Thread: The Virtues of a Disorganized Resistance
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American opposition movements have always focused on the notion of organization. It has always been their goal to organize the people. Their hope has been to wield the collective power of the disaffected, downtrodden, and exploited as a single unit against the concentrated power of the ruling class. While their hope has been noble, their methods have been foolish. Organized resistance has many drawbacks. These drawbacks have seldom been discussed by the opposition. I believe that the only effective resistance is a completely disorganized, decentralized, and leaderless opposition.
While, on the face of it, this claim may impress you as absurd. Of course it seems absurd! It is counterintuitive. Never the less, it is the ONLY method of resistance that will work within American society. I will explain why organized resistance has never worked in the United States. In addition, I will promulgate a new formula for effective resistance.
Why has organized resistance failed in the USA?
There are many reasons for the failure of organized resistance. The two primary causes of failure are intimately connected to the culture of the United States and the political system laid down by our nation's founding fathers.
The Cultural Cause
Americans, culturally, are anarchists. Continue
Disorganized:
: lacking coherence, system, or central guiding agency : not organized
Our coherence, system, and central guiding agencies are truth and love.
Hence, we are not disorganized, we are decentralized.....
.... or even, deorganized.
Decentralized
Decentralized should be the word used here, not disorganized.
"The Great Spirit made us all--he made my skin red, and yours white; he placed us on earth and intended that we should live differently from each other." Petalesharo
I can agree with this to an extent.
There is no reason for a top heavy organization. Local groups and smaller units can hold more sway in what they do. It still requires an organized effort centrally even if the weight of the activity and rule making is not centralized.
What I mean is that the local codes should cover more of how people want to live their daily lives than a central code. That gives people more direct control over their lives. But the central code should still exist to protect those within each group. A combined agreement on basics of a society can exist centrally with the power being more invested locally.
However, this is not disorganization, anarchy or any of that lot.
Very true
I'm surprised at all the hate on this topic
-Ron Paul's moneybombs were all disorganized
-the entire Ron Paul revolution was disorganized
-the tea parties were disorganized
-the march on DC was disorganized
-the townhall meetings were disorganized
-gahndi's approach was disorganized
-MLK's movement was disorganized
-the peace movement in the 60's was disorganized
The neocons have attempted and FAILED for the past couple of years to organize the thousands of different movements into one main, organized movement. It's like taking the american revolutionary guerilla fighters and lining them up like british redcoats-they'll be mowed down if they submit.
Every Man Did That Which Was Right In His Own Eyes - Book of Judges 21:25
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Yes, they may have been
Yes, they may have been disorganized to an extent, but at some point there will need to be a true show of force that doesn't just dissolve into yesterday's news. A sustained nonviolent uprising. It must be militant in nature, but unarmed and unwavering... wait for them to commit the first atrocity, then the public will be on our side.
At least you can acknowledge they were disorganized
Now if we can just recognize it's probably the best way to catch the NWO offguard. When ever you challenge NWO numbskulls the VERY first thing they ask is "Who is in charge?", It happened to Trevor Lyman and guess what he said
"I played my part, but I'm not in charge"
-that's the essence of the disorganized group and why it's impossible to beat. There's no leader to decapitate (blackmail, pay off, etc.) and what's happening all over america.
Whether you are against it or for it, it's the organic movement that's growing and there's really no stopping it. Don't jump to some armed resistance movement, we've got people to take care of first and that means growing food and supplying a sound money or exchange system. Why shoot them when we can beat them?
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So what we need are farmers
So what we need are farmers and a commodity currency. We could buy up cheap land and create independent communities. If we are successful, the outside world will take notice and push for similar changes.
Of course they will still try to tax and regulate us to death even if we do not use any of their wonderful services.
Even so, look at what the Amish were able to accomplish, and most of us don't have the hang-ups about technology usage and strict religious guidelines that they have.
The key is to create communities that are prosperous, open to all, and locally governed with true adherence to the Constitution.
disorganized?
Did you every participate in one of those activities?
Did you ever organize some group of individuals for a common purpose?
Those actions were all absolutely organized.
The truth is a superior organization is what wins the day, not an under-organized one.
Andrew Jackson, who was the central bank's biggest foe, ran his campaign on new political organization. His competitor for the presidency acknowledged that Jackson won by a superior organization.
As I mentioned below in several comments. Anarchy and disorganization is the complete opposite of the tenets of a republic.
Anarchism as a philosophy has so many interpretations, anarchists can never agree what it really is.
It should be given a quick and convenient death. Never to trouble those that wish to forge by effort and determination and organization a better existence.
Yes I did do several things on those list
And guess what? They were all disorganized. No supreme commander told me to do anything and I initiated things that no one told me to initiate.
You either didn't read the article, or don't grasp the meaning.
No one made anyone show up at DC on the 12th (unlike organized groups like the SEIU who pays people to show up), or pay money to Ron Paul moneybombs. The call went out over the internet, it was up to an initially unorganized movement to get together and make it happen. Individuals, not ordered or compelled or organized in anyway did this.
Organizations need to file taxes, are easily infiltrated and die if they aren't funneled money from something. Disorganized groups grow due to their morals, not due to money.
You people think disorganized groups is a euphemism for anarchy. Anarchy is a form of government, disorganized groups is a means to protest the government. No one in this article ever said anything about anarchy or changing government to that form, they advocated protesting based on a disorganized yet connected mode which has proven, ever since American history has started to be the greatest mode of success.
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Yes I read the article and it is based in anarchist ideology
The author discusses the cultural cause of American ideals being anarchist. The author then builds the argument on this cause.
If you participated in a Ron Paul meetup group then you would know it was organized. That there were regional meetup groups and coordinators for each. People were given things to do and actions were often coordinated.
There is nothing wrong with individuals such as your self initiating things. God knows we need more people like that but it doesn't mean that all efforts should go without organization.
In order to have a money bomb you have to build a website. That my friend alone is a form of organization. True no one has forced people to become active but without some level of organization it wouldn't work. You mentioned D.C. Well, how did you find out about it? Through some communication channel. A communication channel directed is a form of organization not disorganization.
I think that some people are confusing disorganization with grass roots. Grass roots is about everyday citizens getting involved in some activity, not paid, often not rewarded, but purposeful. They are never told to do it, they just do.
You seem concerned with the concept of having leaders or people telling you what to do.
I have seen many younger people who also don't like to be told what to do talk about collective leaderless groups - where everyone is like everyone else - no leaders.
Well, in the end that ideal proves to be fallacy by a bunch of infighting and then someone having to moderate message boards etc. In other words someone ALWAYS ends up telling someone else what to do or how to act - wallah a leader. Unfortunately the leaders of those groups promote an ideology that says nobody is better than anybody else and beckons people to be the same or simply spot a target and give the command "attack".
Lastly the assumption in the article that no organized effort produced results baffles me and I don't know how the author ever came to that conclusion. It is an asserted opinion and no more.
"Let all things be done
"Let all things be done decently, and in order". 1Cor 14:40.
I'm assuming that those who promote anarchy have never read a Bible, because nothing could be more obvious than the fact that God is a God of order and organization. The Jewish nation was well organized. The Apostolic church was well organized. The sun, moon, stars-- with their associated systems, all move in perfect order. "The heavens declare the glory [character] of God". People have looked up at the night sky hundreds of time, but they "still can't see the light". Everything in heaven is perfectly organized, and yet their is perfect freedom. Even Satan and all his confederate angels are well organized, and he delights in organizing evil, and DISorganizing that which is good, for he understands the futility of disorganization and confusion.
Organization is not evil. Corrupt principles are evil, and when these corrupt principles are infused into organization, THEN THAT organization becomes evil. Some cannot discern this, and throw the baby out with the bath water. We should return to the good principles which were originally captured in the Constitution by the framers of our country. That originally required an organized and concerted effort, and so it does now. The required the formation of judges, legislators and executives, and associated systems, as it does now. That required a coordinated battle against powerful evil forces, as it does now. THANK GOD that our forefathers were NOT unorganized anarchists. THANK GOD they forged the finest government this side of the cross, and paid for it with their blood.
Those who buy into Anarchist arguements have been caught hook, line and sinker. The elite of this world are well organized. They realize that anarchy is impotent, but are more than happy when it is pawned off on those who might otherwise be a threat (IF they were organized).
Wake up!
A higher order looks like disorder
I agree strongly with this article. And I am a Christian. I am not an anarchist.
You are over reacting to what the author is saying. Man tends to over organize. God's order is much freer and more organic than man's. Have you noticed that churches that strongly emphasize 1Cor 14:40 tend to be dead? Man has squeezed the life of them with religious *organization*.
The 1st American revolution was organic, and unorganized. The 2nd will be too --if it succeeds.
Have you ever studied fractals? They look disorganized up close. Take a step back and recognize God's order. Don't try to impose human order. That will fail.
--donald
--donald
Good points, but I don't
Good points, but I don't believe we can just restore the Constitution and all our problems will be solved. Obviously there was some flaw in our original government that allowed corruption to enter it. Perhaps that flaw was in introducing democracy into the Federal Government. I think it is foolish that the founders even pretended they were democratic... Even on a local level, it can be tricky to implement a democracy. Because they simply mentioned it, it made people demand more of it. They think "things are going bad... this is SUPPOSED to be a democracy... so let's FIX it and become more democratic." I think this is a big reason how we got into this mess.
The good news is, we can undue the damage of democracy by using what democracy we have. Unfortunately we can't buy as many votes as the elite, but that simply means we have to be more creative.
Yes you can
can restore the constitution. That doesn't mean everything will be alright. It simply means that the basics tenets of our society can be re-established. It also means undoing all the actions that have been taken against those concepts.
Our society has never been and is not a purely democratic one. We are a republic which is different than a democracy. The constitution is the main document in which the republic is based upon.
Democracy is rule by majority. A republic is society governed by basic beliefs and ideals with an emphasis on individual liberties. That society uses agreements to promote general welfare but also to protect the individual from the majority as well. A pure Democracy is majority rule in all occasions and all the time.
True you have democratic processes by majority votes of the congress. However, they are still bound by and are supposed to be governed by the constitution which holds the republic together and is supposed to reign supreme over conventional democracy.
Anarchy is the anti-thesis of a republic. It promotes no safeguards for the individual and does not protect that person from any other individual or group of individuals.
Any person supporting what Ron Paul and others like him support should have nothing to do with anarchism. It should be purged from any discussion about liberty and patriotism.
Hows that Fantasy world working out for you...
Maybe im not in the Heartland of the U.S. so i don't understand where you all get your optimism from. Many constantly complain about how dumbed down and stupid Americans are. How we live in a bubble and all we care about is American Idol, Football, Dancing with the stars and etc... So is it these People that you complain about that you expect to raise up? All these protests, all the uprising, its all been taken to account by the elite, Most of the people that come out are FOX news Neocon Bush Loving people... We, have let ourselves sink to much, there is no comming out victorious at the present rate. Im not being pessamistic, just Real... Those who think we will win and they will fight to preserve liberty think that Freedom= Owning a Gun. So as long as they don't go after your guns they can go after everything else...huh? There going after your FARMS, FOOD, CHILDREN, EDUCATION, LABOR, SPEECH,WWW, PRIVACY, FREEDOM and now your HEALTH. but thats ok, because you still have a gun. The fact that we are disorganized is just more reason to believe that nothing will be accomplished on a peaceful level. The MAjor changes that have occured in the U.S. have been from Peaceful Organized Movements. Not to say there were not any spouts of violence, there was, but there wasn't any real combat. Now unOrganied Gorrilla combat can be very effective but I highly doubt that will happen. I would think that many believe that the government is keeping Tabs on us here at the DP and other sites. Maybe they have a list compiled, maybe not... but the difference between Gorrilla unorganied combat here than that in Afghan and Iraq is Surveilance. I don't know if you have noticed but theyre Camaras up everywhere you go... Even in a recession and a huge budget deficit they managed to put up 1000's all over My City. These people are not scared, there not shaking in their boots, it's all going according to plan and nothing has been able to stop them... There just putting the pawns in place.
We have given up to much already... The President under executive orders, can basically take over every Sector of the U.S. My guess another False Flag event more dramatic than 9/11. something that will scare the daylights out of all Americans and have the masses give up whatever freedom they had left in the name of Safety. Coorporation of the people to follow the state will be like never before and those that refuse will be vilinized 100x what we are today. So instead of Fighting with your fellow American against the state you will be Fighting against your Countryman as well as the State.
The Image of fighting for the causes our founders did in the revolutionary war is a noble one. But our founders were not Idiots. They left english turf in search of a better life, You think they would have stood a chance trying to Revolutionize England? For all those that quote Braveheart, you think William Wallace would have had his army if instead of Swords the English had Machine Guns.
I'm not saying to tuck your tail in and Give up by any means. But if you want to stand a chance you have to be able to properly and realisticly analyze the situation. If you want a peaceful Revolution, We need to be alot more organized. If Violence is what it comes down to than you will Die. This is a Police state, The weapons Tech, The surveilance, The Snitch Lists, The destruction of the Constitution, Its over here in the U.S.... The only hope we have is a peaceful Organized movement and it needs to grow exponentially. If we can get Schiff, Rand, Kokesh, in there in 2010 and convince Ron to run 2012 than this will be the best chance we ever get...
interesting article--
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
since I'm not much for organization--
this is intriguing--
for myself it is knowing and speaking the truth. I do try to "enlighten" those I care about--
one word at a time
one person at a time
for those who aren't religious, Christians believe that the "truth shall set you free"--
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
PTB Organized Chaos
TPTB(The powers that be) are a very "Organized" group. They indeed do produce "Chaos" then manufacture it to become the peoples or citizens "problem". After production it then becomes well thought out possible citizen "reactions."what TPTB analyst expect(Example: Las Vegas Casino...The winning odds are in favor of the house & not the individual bet) . TPTB then come up with the "Solution" that they "Bet" that the average dummied down american will accept. With this said, what TPTB didn't count on was an Actual "Unorganized" Chaos INTO order....by TTPTB(The True Powers That Be) AKA : We The People. I AM Proud to be among the "Unorganized Chaotic" R3VoLuTiOn! We WILL Prevail. :)
The Hunter
A Hunter is walking through the woods with two rounds in his shotgun.
He turns a corner and faces an on coming grizzly bear.
He raises his gun and unloads one shot to the head and then one shot to the heart.
The grizzly is dead.
He reloads his shotgun with two more rounds and continues.
The Hunter then stumbles over a huge hive of bees.
Tens of thousands of bees begin stinging the Hunter.
He frantically unloads his weapon killing 50 bees with each round.
As his hands, eyes and throat begin to swell, he is unable to reload, run or breathe.
The Hunter is dead.
Question?
Who is the Hunter?
Who is the Grizzly?
Who are the Bees?
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I suggest the owner will shoot himself
as darkness is self destructive.
These people will blow themselves up.
Unify
What "organized resistance"?
This article is drivel.
He explains why Americans have difficulty organizing, and he is correct.
Which is why the collectivists (lead by a well-organized, ideologically cohesive conspiracy) have been able to kick our butts for so long.
His solution is fantasy.
A swarm of libertarian locusts is going to rise up and simultaneously stick it to "the man"? Dream on.
But it does make nice reading, especially if you don't want to do the hard work it takes to educate, organize, and motivate a brainwashed public.
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Great Post!!!! Bump.
I do wish to add my two cents ...
The number one reason why a disorganized resistance will lead to freedom and the only way to acheive freedom is through disorganized resistance is because ...
An organized, armed, violent, and successful resistance is either unlikely or impossible.
If we choose violence ...
Then we will lose.
If we respond to power with power, even if we win, we lose.
If our goal is to win, we lose.
If our goal is to defeat our opposition, we lose.
To ensure victory, our only goal must be to spread the message.
PERIOD !!!!!
WAHOR!!
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WAHOR!!
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Thank you, rhino...in the presence of truth, the lie falls
"they" will bring about their own demise.
Darkness is self destructive.
As more of us learn the truth and live it....the lie will be exposed and will no longer have power over humanity.
Your post is all about truth. Thank you.
Unify
I tend to agree - In the words of Rowdy Roddy Piper
Once you think you have all the answers, I change the questions.
I do think that this is a very long road though, and I doubt we will notice any real changes in the next 30-50 years, save some unexpected crisis.
The men in power have been creating and running
the opposition for 300 years.
Change how you think about our world.
Your core assumption is that we live in a moral world that is trying to be free.
We live in an immoral world that is controlled by a small group of immoral men. They own all the central banks, they have controlled the media for centuries.\
Long ago they learned that they must control the opposition and they do.
Expose the owners of the fed. Do it on your own. Just tell people that you know the truth. It is easy. No guns necessary. No rallies. No leaders. No movements.
Ask people to learn to think for themselves and tell them the truth.
All groups are controlled one way or the other. When a person starts to tell the truth without needing some leader telling them how to think war will end.
Until then, we talk about failed attempts.
Unify
300 years?
try longer than 2000 years. think about that for a second.
Lawl dark ages.
CHA-CHING!
CHA-CHING!
Disorganized resistance is more in harmony with Nature and
G-d.
If we are true to ourselves these forces have a way of animating through each of us. I prefer disorganized resistance. It necessarily makes each person a leader in their own sovereign right doesn't it?
I am totally ineffectual in an 'organized' group. I observe myself and see how stifling it is for me. One of my greatest beefs is this insistence to use Roberts rules. I hate Roberts rules with a passion. How many times was I made to feel like a complete idiot by making a comment or asking a question and I was interrupted with, "Is that a point of order or a motion?" People need to be free to speak their minds and hearts.
It is clearly a mechanism of control isn't it? Plausible deniability when people argue, "it keeps order in meetings". BS it does! Its control to silence those who can see through the ruse.
http://therootsofchange.com
Lawl hey saying "nature is best" is a logical fallacy...
CHA-CHING!
CHA-CHING!
Harmony with nature?
"It necessarily makes each person a leader in their own sovereign right doesn't it?"
No it doesn't. Leaders are leaders because they LEAD.
You say rules in meetings are bad. I can envision the kinds of meetings you are suggesting where everyone talks over everyone else and no can hear anything through the din. I have also witnessed those types of meetings with a group of individuals and those groups have a name - mobs.
We should not confuse bad rules with rules altogether.
Rules are agreements on how we conduct ourselves. When I teach my kids about listening to others instead of talking over them, I am teaching them a rule. Basic manners to others are rules.
Yes, rules can seem restraining when you want to have the freedom to speak your mind. Yes, they can be overused, abused etc to a ridiculous level. But why are you speaking?
You are doing this to create an impression upon another - to air a grievance, or to tell someone what you think should be done. But if you do this, and you can't be heard because no one is paying attention as they are busy speaking their own minds, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of talking in the first place?
Pardon my direct communication here but I feel strongly when someone promotes this anarchist type philosophy.
Disorganization although seeming to be more natural doesn't make anyone more effective and to me borders on a form of apathy. Instead of changing the system that you feel is constricting or troublesome you say do away with it all. Just let everything go and it will turn out alright - nonsense.