A report card please, Campaign for Liberty just became 12 mths,

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it's now in the walk & babble stage. Your comments. I'll leave this up for you to respond to, not that I have nothing to say, except that I believe it was a good idea they were created b/c it kept all the RP supporters together, it served as a conduit, channel. I don't think their website mentions this 1 nearly as much as this 1 mentions theirs. I was surprised that the leftover RP donations were used to start it.

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I love the C4L but the web

I love the C4L but the web site is atrochious to use..Confuses me..Don't use it much.
Good people do Good deeds
Good people make it happen

I agree with kentuckyliberty

It all depends on your local people.

I am a Regional Coordinator in Missouri. Some parts of Missouri are more active than others. I've also had times when I've had to focus on non C4L issues, so I'm not as far along with my local goals as I'd like to be, but that is not going to prevent me from achieving them.

The Missouri C4L is growing in many good ways. We are well known to our state legislators now, and even candidates for 2010 elections are following the C4L and asking to address our members.

We are beginning to hold candidate forums/debates and will continue to host forums and debates until the 2010 elections and beyond. Our non-partisan and non-endorsing policies, and constitutional core values enables us to provide impartial debates.

MOC4L members provided testimony at every MIAC hearing. We've also had legislators ask us to testify before other committees when things relate to constitutional issues like the 10th amendment or REAL ID. We are gaining respect in our state capital.

Two weeks ago, over a two day period, the MOC4L had a booth at an Oktoberfest and gave out about 500 US Constitutions, 300 Missouri Constitutions, 300 Missouri General Assembly Rosters, etc all with a sticker about the C4L and the website affixed to them. Most of those people will visit the C4L website and learn a lot from it. This was not an exercise of preaching to the choir, but a real outreach to people who might not be as informed as many here at the DP are.

Many of the people lingered at the booth discussing current events and we presented the message of limited constitutional government and personal liberties as solutions to our problems.

Could things be better? Of course they could. But the VAST majority of the C4L you see are volunteers and do this for love of country and are not paid. Most of us come out of pocket for what we do.

On occasion we have received financial help from the National C4L to have a presence at events, and I'm grateful for that help. Money does come to the local level from national C4L donations on an as needed basis.

We're a pretty frugal bunch here and make most of our money from donations at our meetings and events we attend. We are also creative in doing things for free.

The thing to remember is this is only one year old and the best is ahead. The C4L will continue to grow and the name recognition will grow as well.

Thank you for your

in put because this is important to hear. When you get bombarded with requests for money and it goes in and you don't see it going out it makes you wonder. Glad to hear it was put to good use, thanks again for sharing this with us.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

Wow...

Talk about a whole lot of whining and no substance... A lot like the DailyPaul. It was said best in an earlier post, this is going to take both money and boots on the ground. It's hypocritical to believe that Dr. Paul is honest with the money he recieved for his presidential bid but wouldn't be with money from C4L. Besides... doesn't the dailypaul have a fundraising graph on its front page as we speak? Unlike the dailypaul, the C4L actually attempts to get things done which does take money. Most topics related to Ron Paul or HR1207 or calling chains / money bombs are copied from the C4L website to the dailypaul. Everytime Dr. Paul goes anywhere it is through the C4L and at least they are trying give the grassroots and way to organize. It's definitely far from perfect but it is a work in progress. All the dailypaul does is allow like minded people to blog about whatever they'd like. Take a look at the active forum topics right now. At least three of them at any given time are absolutely absurd. I learn more from the articles posted on C4L there than I could from most things posted on the dailypaul. The C4L website just looks at the movement form a different angle. C4L focuses on Ron Paul and his efforts. It doesn't have endless debates like "Is fouride making us dumber?" ...and "Is Jesus a socialist?" I've been here on the dailypaul since its conception (under various names including TJ1776) and the same with C4L. Both have their place. C4L is much more practical in its goals (does the dailypaul have any goals anymore? ) and attempts to give people an objective. It keeps people informed on bills and proposed bills in congress as well as presidential movements. As that's what they're focusing on they must have less of other information which is often dubious at best. I do enjoy the dailypaul and believe by frequenting both sites you get the best picture of what is going on in the country. I'd give C4L a B and the dailypaul a C. However, if we're talking pure entertainment then dailypaul blows C4L out of the water... but then again so does Blue Harvest.

Apples and Oranges

The results you get from Campaign for Liberty are going to depend upon the grassroots leadership in your particular state and area. It is definitely dependent on how active your local groups are because the national organization doesn't really *control* the local groups or even set them up. I do not like the mailers at all, though they go out to a much wider list of people than those who are signed up with user accounts on the C4L site. Apparently there are people who are active with boots on the ground and then there are people who only want to write a check. I realize that we need those kind of people too, though I take issue with the tone of the emails that are sent out. They are a proven formula for fundraising, but I'm a purist and I would like the message to stand for itself. Honestly, though, it's all in how you frame it, because the problems we have in this country are indeed great and it takes both money and boots on the ground. I just hope the money is being used wisely.

I really don't know what C$L is all about

I never go to their website.
I always get overly expensive mailers asking for donations.
I think the youtube clips of Ron Paul are nice - but better could probably be made by adoring volunteers
After the Rally for the Republic I felt a complete let down regarding the competence of the organization and kind of swindled that they used all the donations that people had scrimped together to get Ron Paul elected to the position of President and used them to put a non-profit together to help keep political wannabes employed. I thought the kid organizing YoungAmericansForLiberty was much more put together that C$L.

As for dividing the movement...perhaps. My uncle, who was a Romney supporter, was finally won over by Ron Paul and wrote him in during the election. He signed up for the C$L and has since voiced that Ron Paul has not proven himself a leader with the C$L - ready for the punchline? He says Glenn Beck should run as President as he is much better at rallying the grassroots. UGHHHH!!!

Thanks C$L

I rarely go to the

site but they constantly send me flyers and calls for money. It gets annoying because I don't see them doing anything other than asking for money. The Daily Paul has been my source for information and activism.
The Daily Paul is what kept me involved when the campaign ended.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

They WASTED the Precinct Committee people that got elected

I think this is the single most egregious error they made. How many of us DID what they asked and got elected, and / or onto County or state Committees? They NEVER contacted us, NEVER reached out to us in any way. I can find no excuse to that. These were the folks who "got it" fastest and jumped in with both feet... what a waste of brainpower.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

I don't like their website

and I agree with the author quoted in sunny's post who says it's not worth $1 to petition Nancy Pelosi, much less $400. I don't understand what John Tate is thinking. It seems like they constantly want huge amounts of money to accomplish frivolous goals. But they never disclose where the money is going. A little transparency would do wonders.

That being said, I loved the Northeast Conference and felt it was truly a gift that they offered so much, and so much of it was free. I also like the daily emails and the easy-to-sign petitions and calls for activism. Overall, I'm glad we have C4L but really would love to see some improvements.

it's ironic i was just reading this e from a while ago

and just saw this post. it is from jim condit and written last may:

May 16, 2009 NA (Network America) e-wire
Campaign for Liberty - Are They kidding?

A few days ago, on May 13, 2009, I opened the latest fundraiser from the Campaign for Liberty. Director John Tate ends the letter by asking for
$600 or $400 or $200. What was the urgent cause?

The allegedly urgent cause was to sign a petition to be sent to computer-election-installed Congressperson Nancy Pelosi - who was then later
elected Speaker of the House by other computer-election-installed Congress persons.

The Campaign for Liberty petition is asking billionaire, neo-Communist Nancy Pelosi to bring to the floor of the House Ron Paul's bill to audit the FED.

By the way, from the beginning those pushing Communism for all of the rest of mankind have ALWAYS been billionaires. Communism, or whatever they are calling it now, has always beenm the POLICE ARM of these tyrannically-satanically minded billionaires who want to enslave the rest of mankind in body, mind, and soul.

This is the meaning of those famous lines from the "Lord of the Rings", written by John R. R. Tolkein about his mythical, terrible, satanic Ring of Power:

"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."

BEGGING PELOSI

I'm sorry, but begging Nancy Pelosi for a favor is NOT a plan.

It is not worth $1,mlet alone $200 or $600. Let alone the $24 million or so which was disappeared (instead of being used for radio and TV ads) from the Ron Paul for President 2008 by the team around Lew Moore and the late Kent Snyder. (John Tate, the current director of the Campaign for Liberty, was the National political director of the Ron Paul for President 2008 campaign. So, in my view, John Tate also has some 'splainin' to do - as Ricky Ricardo of "I Love Lucy" might have said.)

This is more of the same dead-end strategy that "establishment conservatives" have been pushing on us for years. The "strategy" could not be any worse if it were made up by the worst enemies of the United States of America.

Any strategy that begins and ends with begging the computer-installed, Rothschild-Rockefeller owned Congressmen to do something - is a strategy which will have the effect of running out the clock (i.e., giving New World Order operatives a chance to further push forward their hoped-for tyranny), waste people's energy, and demoralize activists to the point of hopelessness.

The same goes for strategies that begin and end with Tea Party rallies.

These - by themselves - are NOT comprehensivem strategies, - but dead end strategies that couldn't be worse if they were made up to derail
us by the top strategists behind Bill Clinton, W. Bush, and Barack Obama - in other words, by the the top wire pullers behind the forming NWO.

Harsh words? These are not harsh words. These are realistic words - and if enough American patriots don't QUICKLY realize the truth in these words - we are going to be misled in endless circles until it will perhaps be too late to reversem things without a full-blown SECOND American Revolution. But, instead...

THERE IS A PLAN...

I have just posted the video "The Strangest Political Secret" - on WagTheDog2010.com

This video explains the precinct strategy by which we can enter the established precinct system by the tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands - and REPLACE all the local county party heads of the Democratic and Republican Party - in all 3141 counties - if they don't shape up.

It's the County Party leaders who:

- decide how the vote is counted in each precinct
- who endorse 99% of the men and women who become local office holders and Congressmen, and
- who elect the state party leaders, after which the state party leaders, in turn' elect the national party leaders; - and then, the state and national party leaders set the rules for the Presidential primaries/caucuses AND the national political conventions.)

THREE VIDEOS AT WagTheDog2010.com

The first video at WagTheDog2010.com is "The Strangest Political Secret";
The second video is "What You Can Do Right Now";
The third video is "Total Victory Plan 2012"; Total Victory Plan 2012 goes over how four strategies should work together to reclaim our country and our government:

1) The Precinct Strategy (attending your local county party meeting circa June 2010 and preparing to replace all county party leaders in all 3141 counties if they don't shape up);

2) The Committees of Safety (approaching state legislators to encourage them to assert the proper sovereignty of every state as provided for in the Constitution, especially in the tenth amendment);

3) The Oath Keepers (military veterans approaching military men, veterans, sheriffs and deputies, and policemen to renew their oath to the Constitution, and to take an oath NOT to enforce ten unconstitutional orders, one of which is an oath refusing to confiscate guns from the American people under any pretext whatsoever, and so on);

4) The new Continental Congress, to be convened in late 2009 or early 2010 to call government officials to task for violating our rights, and for refusing to respond to petitions for redress of grievances; (the Continental Congress, forming under the efforts of Mr. Robert Schulz of We The People Foundation, can provide a national voice, a national focal point of expression, for the cause of true freedom).

WHAT YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW

First, - if you want to DO something EFFECTIVE to combat the forces of evil - sign up at our national precinct strategy meetup group at www.meetup.com/national-precinct

In this way, you can be in touch and keep updated; everyone will be able to email anyone else without a gatekeeper;

Second, go to WagTheDog2010.com and watch "The Strangest Political Secret", and then watch "What You Can Do Right Now" - the 4 min video right below it.

I am asking as many of you as possible to work with me: - to find 1500 patriots/concerned Americans to make this effort successful by donating (on average) $100 per year so we can make all this happen (in a one time donation, or monthly donations of $5, $10, or $15);

- so that we can reach 50,000 to 200,000 American patriots with the video "The Strangest Political Secret" so that they will understand WHY they to run for precinct in their own neighborhood in one of the major parties, and/or to attend one of the major party COUNTY precinct organizational meetings intheir county circa June 2010;

- teaching a subset of these precinct activists to help the Committees of Safety complete its mission at the state and local levels, and to help the Oath Keepers complete its mission with the present and former sheriffs, deputies, policemen, and military men.

CALL ME IF YOU WISH

20 years have gone by since the precinct strategy worked in Cincinnati (before the crooked courts intervened) - and each year goes by without we, the good guys, putting a permanent organization on the political field of battle across the nation, county and by county.

There is not going to be any other effort tom accomplish these things that are necessary for us to reclaim our country in a peaceful and constitutional manner.

I submit to all of you, that unless enough of you work with me in this effort - that we will glide into 2012 with the New World Order forces behind Obama rolling over us with their New World Order Trotsky-ite Communist) agenda.

IF enough of you will work with me, and financially support this effort in at least a minimal way - then we WILL put a permanent organization on the field of battle across the counties of the USA - and we will be on the verge of victory.

Right now, we are not even on the playing field.

If you wish, and if you have any questions, doubts, concerns, - call me at 513-741-2095.

End of this Network America ewire.

Jim Condit Jr.
Network America e-wire service

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." Attributed to Communist Dictator Joseph Stalin

EMAIL at: votefraud@fuse.net -- or simply reply to this message;

MAIL: Network America, PO Box 11339, Cincinnati, Ohio 45211

Ron Paul is my President

Ron Paul is My President

If taking "back" the GOP is the goal

JCJr appears to be a better person to do it than beg, beg, and beg for more money John Tate.

My problem is we have 40% registered decline to state party and growing, no one is interested in the GOP because of Arnold.

I feel like the Continetial Congress and Ending The Fed are radical in that they are what is needed to implement a NWO.

And I believe the solution is what Nader was doing. Why fight to be a delegate? If those who Decline to State Party vote for an Independent, the Indepednent cndidate selects the electoral voters (or each state/district organizer can "reward" contributors supporters with paper to be noterized for being an electoral voter.

Nader has established a loop hole by participating and I think we are foolish to not take ALL resources into consideration to beat the established parties at their own game.

To me, the whole be a delegate for the GOP is a big waste of time, money and gas, it did more to divide the rEVOLution than make RP president.

Not one republican for RP was called in my county, the surrounding counties where the GOP is too corrupt.

Thank you for posting the letter... It's good to see the leadership of C4L being challanged with solutions.

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It did not keep RP supporters together here

Indeed, they split our state into three segments, because they would only allow one meetup to use the CFL name. Our state is geographically split up, and we needed separate offices. So here, the TEA Party and 9-12 is MUCH bigger and more effective than CFL. In the east part of the state, I think CFL is doing OK, and up north CFL got absorbed into the already very active community that was established. So, they got an "F" from me for that move early on.

The other thing they did was insists everyone pony up $35 bucks or they were not a "member." I know there were a LOT of people with really good ideas and tons of energy, but not much money. The "movers and shakers" ought to have been identified and brought into the organization as state and local leaders WITHOUT having to pay money - they paid in blood, sweat and tears already. They got an "F" from me for failure to utilize the talent the RP campaign unearthed.

I have offered to volunteer repeatedly, but they never needed me to DO anything for them, just send money. Well, I understand they have to buy things, but if a group who really wants to "End the Fed" cannot think of ANYTHING for people to do except circulate FRNs, they get another "F." And, I have told them over and over I have NO MONEY for them and to take me off their list, and yet they continue to hassle me. Another "F." Worse yet, they keep sending me letters begging me for money, so they are SPENDING money to hassle me. "F them" is where I am these days. I had high hopes, but I have learned that hope is a luxury I cannot afford. TRUTH serves me much better, and the truth is there will be no liberty obtained at a ballot box. It seems CFL is currently just another episode of "The Dog and Pony Show."

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

Starting from 100: Minus 10

Starting from 100:

Minus 10 pts for not criticizing the wars at the hugr DC Tea Party: 90

Plus 5 pts for getting a speaking slot at that Tea Party: 95

Minus 5 for the slick, establishment GOP-looking and sounding donation request letters: 90

Plus 10 for raising 4 million or so dollars: 100

Minus 5 for making a decent but not compelling website: 95

Minus 5 for no media airtime to speak of: 90

I give em a 90.

Ventura 2012

C- or D+

I rarely see them anywhere except occasional postings here on DP.

I signed up on their system and hear nothing from them except begging for money. I receive no accounting of the funds they have already received. No list of accomplishments for that money.

If they have no visibility that I can see. If no one I know who hasn't heard of them STILL hasn't a year later, and if there is no record of what has been done with the millions they were seeded with, why should I give another dime? They aren't reaching new people or so little, they aren't getting their money's worth in outreach.

I enjoy supporting people who support liberty, but I have to see some kind of results for my money to continue supporting any group or individual.

i am not extremely active in

i am not extremely active in the campaign for liberty but i am afraid if i give them money, i will only be disappointed. but maybe its what you make it..

A+

Activism - A+
Keeping their noses clean and staying legal A+
Keeping the supporters together and informed A+
Web-Design and format C-
Extra Credit for all things Ron Paul +1,000 points, easily making up for the webdesign

I wish they were more aggressive, but it is a thin line they have to walk. I am concerned that I spend way more time on the dailypaul than the C4L site, why is that? I'd say my ratio is about 1000 to 1 in favor of the DP. The format just is not good for communication, maybe they could hire Michael to take care of that.

I concur

My thoughts exactly.

I would also add:

Showing up everywhere: A
Public awareness of CFL: C+
CFL Precint Leadership: A-
CFL Leadership: C-
Fundraising tactics: D
Financial Transparency: D
Forum community: B

As for DP:

Activism - A+
Keeping their noses clean and staying legal ???
Keeping the supporters together and informed A+
Web-Design and format A (saving the + for the upgrade)
Showing up everywhere: A-
Public awareness of DP: C
Leadership: A (everyone is there own leader and Nystrom Rocks!)
Fundraising tactics: A
Financial Transparency: A
Forum community: A+
Extra Credit for all things Ron Paul + all the other interesting things +2,000 points