Total Control: High-Speed Chase Ends When OnStar Halts Stolen SUV
When two Visalia, Calif., police officers swung their cruisers behind a sport utility vehicle that had been carjacked at gunpoint early Sunday, they prepared for a dangerous high-speed chase.
The 2009 Chevrolet Tahoe roared away with officers in pursuit, but shortly after the suspect made a right turn, operators at General Motors Co.’s OnStar service sent a command that electronically disabled the gas pedal and the SUV gradually came to a halt.
The flustered thief got out and ran, but was quickly nabbed after he climbed several fences and fell into a backyard swimming pool, police said.
It was the first time since OnStar began offering the service in the 2009 model year that it was used to end a chase that could otherwise have had dire consequences.
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The article ends: "It would be nice to have a day in law enforcement that you didn't have to actively pursue suspects at high speeds," she said.
Video report
On-Star Shuts Down Car in Northern California Police Pursuit
http://www.breitbart.tv/on-star-shuts-down-car-in-northern-c...
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If you don't like it
then don't buy it and have no worries. Besides, anybody that buys a Government Motors crap vehicle deserves to have it disabled at random. It could be used to surreptitiously disable the car and force you to tow it to the dealer for some needless service. Ok maybe not, that's my inner conspiracy theorist speaking out loud.
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Paul and no Bank.
Crime was their excuse to nab him, looks like Onstar just gave
For some reason, we're expected to know every law that exists in America & in our state so we don't break it. We're supposed to know this when we're 18. There's no litmus test for them, as in the 10 commandments or rhyme or reason. C.U.R.E. Thank God for bugs, they keep people in solitary confinement company.
him a criminal record. Is Onstar part of the PrIC Prison Industrial Complex?
For some reason, we're expected to know every law that exists in America & in our state so we don't break it. We're supposed to know this when we're 18. There's no litmus test for them, as in the 10 commandments or rhyme or reason. C.U.R.E.
are you serious?
he stole a car! how is that not a crime?
Ford has Microsoft's "Sync" instead.
(One of the few things Microsoft has done a good job on - as far as I can tell from its operating characteristics SO FAR.)
OnStar has a computer and cellphone built into the car, with a microphone, speaker, and call buttons in the ceiling, and interfaced with the engine and dash/body computers. It can:
- Automatically call OnStar's call center if you have a crash with airbag deployment.
- Manually call OnStar's call center if you hit the button.
- Silently accept a call from OnStar's call center / network. (Bug the car, allow OnStar to kill the engine or unlock the doors, etc.)
- Report your car's info to OnStar on its own, when you request it, or when they request it.
- Serve as a voice-dialed cellphone with OnStar as the carrier if you bought that service.
Sync has a computer with a bluetooth interface built into the car, which you can pair with YOUR cellphone. (Your cellphone will remind you every time your car starts and it's in range by beeping.) It can:
- Automatically call 911 if you have a crash with airbag deployment.
- Manually report your engine and other computer info to SyncMyRide.com (which will accept and display for you your info IF you registered your cellphone number with them).
- Let you use the car as a hands-free handset to call ANYBODY you want - including 911.
Sync gives you essentially the same features as OnStar using existing emergency services, your existing cellphone service, and a gratis automated network service (paid for by Ford and its dealers in return for tracking your warranty info and sending you reminders and ads to get you in for service before problems snowball), rather than a dedicated service center full of people you pay for.
It doesn't let you (or the cops) call for an unlock because the phone isn't paired when the ignition is off and the Sync computer is thus shut down. But the cars have a combo lock on the door if you lock your keys in. So no "unlock the car for you - and Big Brother's minions" feature is needed. (Note that one of the combos IS fixed, so the cops could call Ford and sweat it out of them if they wanted to break in without leaving a trace.) And it doesn't let the cops shut down the stolen car - because your cellphone probably won't be in it.
Potentially Sync COULD have code in there to let SyncMyRide call your cellphone (whose number they got when you signed up for the engine-control-trouble-translation service) and keep it from ringing if you were in the car and the caller ID told the computer it was a sneak-path call. In which case they could do the same bad stuff as OnStar - when your cellphone was in the car and the car was running (though it would show up on your cellphone log and you'd get a ring if you WEREN'T in the car unless your cellphone had DHS/NSA sneak-path firmware, too.) But you can always disable it by turning off your cellphone (and pulling the battery if you don't trust the cellphone).
One more possibility is that they have a pre-paired bluetooth connection set up - in which case the cops could take over IF they got into bluetooth range with a suitable black box. But that's a lot different from an always-on link to the cellphone system that inherently tracks you whenever it's on and lets them zap your car from a central location whenever it's in range of a cellphone tower.
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Another possible threat: The federally mandated tire pressure alarm system which is in all new cars. This involves long-term-battery-powered transmitters in each wheel valve stem assembly, which periodically send a unique serial number and an air pressure reading via low-power radio. This can be picked up by loop antennas in the road and track your car whenever it passes over such an antenna.
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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."
That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.
I don't have a problem with this
Some lives may have been saved. They caught the criminal without having to endanger life and property with a high-speed chase. And, apparently, it's the only time OnStar has done this kind of thing.
It's easy to cry, "Foul,""Big Brother," and so on - and there maybe be some truth to this. But - so far as I know - OnStar is helpful in the U.S., especially for the elderly who often have emergencies while behind the wheel.
In Britain, however, rental cars are monitored for speed and driving safety. If someone speeds then the police are notified. Now THAT'S Big Brother brother.
Honestly
Is a car worth cops driving 100 miles an hour and killing innocent people over.
What the hell is insurance for. My luck I'd be in the damn thing and set it off accidently, sit on the freeway waiting for onstar to start me up...No thanks.
Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow
Since
When do these ? ( insert word here ) do anything for us out of the goodness of their hearts? They have stolen our money, ect EVERYTHING!!! we are labor slaves to them! You think this is about protecting a lowley slave? wake up Zen.
Not sure who you are referring to
You may be right, but your argument is so general that I don't know who you are talking about. The OnStar people? Have they stolen our money? I am trying to understand you.
Who is the lowly slave?
Sorry, but I just don't follow you. If you give me some specifics, I might even agree.
Sorry, I will try to explain a lil better.
Who do you think owns the little corps? the big corps. Who owns the big corps? The bloodline. They own it all. This country has been in bankrupt since 1933. Your money is valueless. 0. None. Zilch. Nada. The bloodline owns the govs which intern owns you thru your all capital name, which makes you a corp, they do this because there isn't enough real money to pay off all the debts, therefore YOU are the collateral for credit they borrow to keep the scheme going ( federal reseve notes issued ) they steal your labor in this way to perpetuate this scheme. You are 100% slave. 10 percent of the worlds poplulation controls all the real wealth of the world. What you are witnessing with current events, is this 10% stealing what is left. A branch of this is the forming of the one world governmental system, to collect 100% percent of those who survive the shift. Welcome to hell.
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My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the Motor Law
And on Sundays I elude the eyes
And hop the Turbine Freight
To far outside the Wire
Where my white-haired uncle waits
Jump to the ground
As the Turbo slows to cross the borderline
Run like the wind
As excitement shivers up and down my spine
Down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me an old machine
For fifty odd years
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream
I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta
From a better vanished time
I fire up the willing engine
Responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel
I commit my weekly crime
Wind
In my hair
Shifting and drifting
Mechanical music
Adrenaline surge...
Well-weathered leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware
Suddenly ahead of me
Across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air car
Shoots towards me, two lanes wide
I spin around with shrieking tires
To run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase
Drive like the wind
Straining the limits of machine and man
Laughing out loud with fear and hope
I've got a desperate plan
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded at the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle at the fireside
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When you drive by a cop
do you wonder what you may be doing that would cause them to stop you?
You can't think of any actual crime you may be committing, but are you still worried they may stop you?
The answer for all of us is yes.
Ask yourself another question, is there something wrong with a society in which we are scared of the police stopping us even when we know we have done nothing wrong?
Yes.
Another question, is this fear based in reality?
Yes it is.
Then why in the heck by a car they can shut down without your control?
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Yes!
I WAS pulled over for no reason; I WAS told I could get a ticket for "following too close" when there wasn't another car in sight; I WAS asked many probing and personal questions (that I didn't have the sense, at the time, to decline to answer).
My son WAS stopped on the street and questioned; my son WAS intimidated into giving incriminating evidence of a victimless crime; my son IS going to suffer for this stop and questioning for the next three years.
Am I paranoid of cops? No, you're not paranoid if they really are out to get you.
Yes! You never go to court w/out meeting a police officer 1st.
For some reason, we're expected to know every law that exists in America & in our state so we don't break it. We're supposed to know this when we're 18. There's no litmus test for them, as in the 10 commandments or rhyme or reason. C.U.R.E. Thank God for bugs, they keep people in solitary confinement company.
they can stop you for anything they want which is why you should never drive in front of them.
For some reason, we're expected to know every law that exists in America & in our state so we don't break it. We're supposed to know this when we're 18. There's no litmus test for them, as in the 10 commandments or rhyme or reason. C.U.R.E.
Dito
I think the exact same thing and have the exact same questions and the exact same answers. Its why cops suck. I wrote a poem about that once..
Have you met a man named Jesus?
I met a policeman last week
That doesn’t seem to know just what he speaks
Forgive me to judge
For I’m a sinner too
But this is his whole life
He throws great big stones at you
Couldn’t have read the bible
In fact he has his own
Written by the people
Known to have wronged
Amazing how they do it!
Living without faith
Must have minds of monkeys
With guns at their waist
Couldn’t be more cautious
From my point of view
For you never know
What Uncle Sam’s going to do
People say I’m crazy
What about the chaos on the street?
Freedoms less important
Just keep me safe!
Well what about the wisdom
Of both you and me
There is the source of the problem
Yet that remains to be
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Yet another example...
Of people trading freedom for security. Is a cool technology, but I think all of us Americans have the thought in the back of our heads, "Well how could I ever escape a corrupt police force if they controlled my car?"
Chris
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Easy answer to this
Easy answer to this problem.
Ask yourself these questions before determining if this technology is good to have.
WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THIS TYPE OF INCIDENT HAPPENING IN MY TOWN, CITY STATE, ETC? WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL ODDS?
1 in 10,000 cars per year?
Then ask yourself this question.
WHAT ARE THE ODDS THE POLICE WOULD USE THIS TECHNOLOGY TO DISABLE THE OWNER DRIVING THE CAR, STOPPING THEM FROM USING THEIR CAR FOR SOME OTHER REASON?
1 in 10,000 cars per year?
Conclusion on question 1, I'll take those odds. Throw the technology in the trash.
Conclusion on question 2, I don't like those odds. Throw the technology in the trash.
Final conclusion, Throw the technology in the trash.
This is one reason I would never buy a car with OnStar.
That's actually pretty darn cool
Orwellian as can be, but cool nonetheless.
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Taxed by the 1/2 mile?
Did they charge the thief for the 1/2 mile road tax for the distance traveled?
Anyone ever read "The Island of Dr. Moreau"?
the book is 100 times better than the screwed up movie. But, reading this reminded me of that movie. The man-beast are controlled by a chip implanted in their bodies.
Just like the GM cars and trucks are controlled. If someone else can push a button or click a mouse and disable your property, is that property really yours? The answer is no. I know that I really aren't allowed to own anything in America, but I do have enough of a choice that I will never own a chevy or gm product.
"What was taken from the boomers, it ain't there, what was taken from the X'ers it ain't there, what is being taken from their great, great, great squared grandchildren it ain't there. Some generation just has to have the guts to quit passing it on." Me
*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*
when you register your
private automobile as a "motor vehicle", you have now transferred "legal title" over to the state and now only have "equitable title". Once you do that, police could legally pull you over, push you out of the "motor vehicle" and drive away. Stop giving them legal title to everything.
You'd have to build your own car
A dealership isn't going to let you take it off the lot unregistered and some guy you buy it from isn't going to want the title still registered in his name. It's such a damn catch-22. All the "stop giving them title" stuff is great on paper, but in real life it creates endless hassles. I'm not saying I like it, I'm just saying how it is.
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Who called On-Star?
The police or the victim?
yep
key
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It appears OnStar got permission from the car owner, and that the car owner knew about and wanted that feature.
Of course, it would be dangerous to stop the car unless someone had eyes on the vehicle, as it could cause a crash, rather than prevent one.
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Another Reason not to buy GM (government motors)
the terrorist organization called the US govt. shut down your means of transportation while parked in your garage to stop you from their Gestapo tactics, or simply because they don't want your vehicle to leave. And being able to track you where ever you vehicle goes. Too much big brother.
"Cash for Clunkers" got how many folks in new cars?
There will be no round up. Most of the people will beg for their chips, and tremble in their boots if you say you don't want one.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.