What we are up against, people on a whole have no understanding of freedom
This is long sorry, but it really "woke" me up to how clueless the general population still is.
I got an e-mail from my chiropractor yesterday, it was a link to Lord Monckton's speech, that was all. With the title "wake up obama threat is real" Just the video and the text.
He sent it to several folks, among them patients like myself, tv & radio station workers, lawyers, and others, all of which were his friends. It wasn't spam on his part, I have talked to him this morning, he called to apologize to me, he was simply trying to inform folks that he thought were his friends. It was about 15 folks total.
Well this morning I got e-mails from 2 people I have never met, that sent their responses to all the folks on the original e-mail. Here are their responses, with no names other than their first:
1st from "Betsy"
"Hello Tom:
As a very proud liberal American, I believe in your right to express your opinion. However, I worked on the Obama campaign and I believe that we elected the right guy for the job. For the sake of the planet, the world must come together to fight the problems that humans have created.
I read the blog for which you sent the link. The representations made are simply not true. The person quoted does not believe in climate change. There are a few lines pulled out of a 200 page treaty with headings added. This blog, although perhaps a good source of conservative opinion, is not a good source for facts. I would encourage everyone to seek out the facts about the treaty.
I encourage discussion and debate on matters of public concern. These days, with the Internet, it is really important to know who is posting an article and whether the facts set out are accurate. There is a lot of misinformation out there and it is incumbent upon an informed citizenry to verify the veracity of the information. These days, that takes a lot of effort.
I checked out the author of "Atlas Shrugs", Pamela Geller. She does not have a reputation for being unbiased. She is the person who claimed on the same blog that Rachel Ray's scarf on a Dunkin Donuts ad was the same scarf Yasser Arafat wore and therefore, was "jihadist". This is a woman who has denied the Holocaust. The name of her blog indicates her political bent. (Although I really liked the book Atlas Shrugged, I am aware that Ayn Rand's writings have become important to extreme right wingers. I think it very interesting that she was an avowed atheist. I guess her ultra-conservative fans choose to ignore that part of her beliefs.) This is not a person I would rely upon for factual information.
This post also has questions whether Barack Obama is a valid President. There is no factual basis for this assertion. I think those who question Barack Obama's legitimacy as President are people who cannot accept that this country elected an African-American as President and that the "birther movement" has racism at its roots. I do not support any form of racism.
While I respect your right to have and express your beliefs, I have decided that I must respond whenever I receive e-mails of this nature, no matter who they are from, even good friends like you I always copy everyone on the distribution for emails of this nature because I would not want anyone to think, because of my silence, that I think this blog is a reliable source of information or that I endorse these views.
Your friend,
Betsy"
2nd from "Lorenzo"
"First let me say something to set the record straight. I'm a friend of Tom's. I know from the last 8 years of not only my interaction, but my families interaction that Tom is a stand up guy and not a racist. I understand that some people take things way to serious. I'm glad Tom sent me the information because it lets us know that we as a people still have some work to be done in our society. As a people yes we must verify all information that we impart to others, but when it comes to friends we also know that are friends send us info to alert us of what is out there. Tom you are a friend of my family. I'm Afican American and I can say that Tom you will always be a friend of mine. Tom doesn't have a jealous, racisty, fighting, bone in his little body. Yes I have seen him at his best. Tom I welcome the info. When I sent the reply back it was for the fact the internet is filled with bad information that it nothing else, but we also know that are people of all color who still can't stand any other color. Lets be real here. Tom I Love You and thanks for taking care of me and my family for the last 8 years. As I continue to grow our relationship into other things. had to set that straight because I know Tom and he is a last breed of your word is your bond type of a person"
Huh? He is racist because of this?
I sent this response to the folks, and this will be all I send since I don't know nor care to know them for the most part. And I don't want anyone spamming me anymore than I want to spam them. But, I had to say it.
"My Name is Jonathan O'Dell, I don't know Betsy, I don't know Lorenzo. While I respect your right to believe as you do, I further support the right of the Congress and President to believe as they do, PERSONALLY, but not professionally. The reason being in their professional lives their votes and actions are supposed to reflect the will of the majority of their constituents, as far as the rule of law will allow. Their actions are not supposed to reflect their personal views or the views of a group of other nations.
I am a Democrats & a Republicans worst nightmare, I am a person that thinks for myself. I actually have core beliefs, I own myself. I didn't like Bush I don't like Obama, does that make me a racist? I'm a white guy see, http://odellequipmentrental.com/
(I'm the big one). So since I didn't like Bush does that mean I am a racist cause he was white? No, anymore so than it makes me a racist because I don't like Obama.
I dislike both because instead of doing their JOB and acting as the representative of the people of the United States, they both chose instead to act in their own interest and the interest of other nations and the Federal Reserve. Congress is and was complicit as well.
I have the right to be left alone, you do to. You have the right to do whatever you want to do as long as it doesn't harm another. Your rights end where mine are infringed. As do mine with yours.
We can't convey any rights past these to our officials. That means that they aren't supposed to harm us because that infringes on our rights.
We all have the right to success in life and we all have the equal right to fail miserably, by our own actions.
But, guess what? Both Bush and Obama and the respective Congresses have infringed on that right for all of us. Bush spent more money in 7 years than all the Presidents from Washington till Clinton combined (money that had to be created out of thin air and exist in no form except our posterity's slavery), then in 5 months Obama spent more than that!!
The effect of this is going to be hyper-inflation, poverty, and the fall of our country. Have you noticed prices rising? Well the goods and services have achieved no more intrinsic value, our fiat currency notes have just lost value.
Yes, I don't like ether one of them democrats nor republicans, they are one in the same, so I must be the worst kind of racist I hate my assumed own kind as well.
If this treaty is signed it matters not if the Senate ratifies it, we'll live under it, we live under the shadow of executive orders and illegal treaties already. When cap and trade passes along with this we are less than a week away from being a third world country. We already have trucking firms that can't afford fuel, what will happen when another federal fuel tax is added on?
Nearly everything in our society operates on a just in time inventory system, trucks don't run for a couple of days most of you won't eat.
But, we must do this to save the world right?
How arrogant is it to think that man can do a thing to God's world without God? What is the base of all life on earth? It is CARBON!!!
I pray that one day I can have as much faith in the God of creation as the global warming, non-thinking for themselves, true racist, rightest and leftest have in their twin gods of government and junk science. This said I am not an anarchist, I am a Constitutionalists, not only when it serves my purposes but when it holds me back as well.
Try to not act on "I feel" or "I believe", don't trust implicitly in others to tell you what to do or believe. Think for your self people, if I couldn't come up with any better argument against another's position other than "that is racist" then I wouldn't speak. Because "the president said so" or "Glenn Beck said so" is no better reason.
1st off I challenge you to name 3 things that the federal government does not regulate, legislate, or mandate in your life. . . . . . . . . . Okay since you couldn't do that name one. . . . . . .Okay since you couldn't do that, admit you are for all practical purposes a slave, as will be our children, if we don't start to think and do for ourselves, and stop allowing democrats and republicans to run our lives for us.
2nd read the United States Constitution, don't trust others to tell you what it says, read it. It grants no rights to you, it only grants specific privileges to the Federal government. Your rights are natural you have then regardless of the actions or words of another.
3rd Stop falling back into a group mindset, when you were born did a bunch of other folks pop out at the same time from the same womb? (If so congrats on having a twin) otherwise you belong to no group naturally, you only belong to the groups you allow yourself to be in. Stand on your own 2 feet, and think and do for yourself and your family. If you so weak of a person that you must fall back into a group status when ever you are threatened you are exactly where the democrats and republicans want you, you are part of a herd of easily controlled sheep.
4th no hard feelings, I don't know you, but I care for your well being. We are all in this world together as individuals and it serves no purpose for us to be against each other.
5th after you have read the US Constitution, and realize that for the last 100 plus years we all have been turned into slaves and operate in no shape or form like we were intended to be, then get mad and elect people that will strictly adhere to it.
You want to be liberal? Great, under the Constitution you have that right, if enough of you control the voting block of a State then your state can be as liberal as it wants, it just can't do anything to harm the other states.
You want to be a neo-conservative, you can you just have to do it in your own state.
Read it, think, and elect folks that will abide by it."
So far I have got the responses, "what a joke", and "don't send me any e-mails". And I won't, It just burned me up that these two twits spamed all these folks that "Tom" my chiropractor sent something to in an act of friendship seeking only to inform.
We for the most part I think have insulated ourselves from how completely clueless the average American is, this reminded me today.




















O'Dell, very good letter and effort;
plus you stood up for your friend who also made a courageous effort.
We can't change minds in a single effort, but each time we may shift the conversation, open a mind just a little. That's what RP has been doing for decades. It awakened many in that time and now each of us is adding energy and helping shift the conversation.
who ever talked about the Fed when Paul first brought it up? It takes time, thanks for being at the leading edge.
Can you be held liable for the brain explosions?
I've written a few of these over the years and my experience has been that no one ever replies because they can't figure it out. Thinking for yourself is not "normal" and people prefer to deal in what's comfortable. Who am I? Is a question nobody likes asking.
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Too true. The "zombies" as
Too true. The "zombies" as I like to call them can be very frustrating. They only like say "Glenn Beck said this, Gore said that, so YOURE wrong, buddy. All is well, Obama said so."
Thanks for the great read. I
Thanks for the great read. I have realized that sometimes you have to choose between keeping a friendship or talking about politics. I tend to be friends with people who agree with my politics. Otherwise, I would just think all my friends are pretty stupid. :)
Yep, me too.
I have about 2 guys I have been friends with since 1st grade, and 2 more since about 6th grade, the five of us are all pushing 40 now. But, these 4 guys and I are still friends after all these years because for the most part we agree on things. And, the things we don't agree on we will talk about but don't fuss about.
As for as Betsy and Lorenzo, I could care less about making them mad.
I have found out since then by talking to my Chiropractor that Betsy is a personal injury lawyer. That cleared up a lot for me.
"What was taken from the boomers, it ain't there, what was taken from the X'ers it ain't there, what is being taken from their great, great, great squared grandchildren it ain't there. Some generation just has to have the guts to quit passing it on." Me
*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*
I am halfway through reading
I am halfway through reading Atlas Shrugged, and one of the conversations Francisco had with Dagny was something like....great men don't say "I feel" or "I believe", they say "I know" something to be true. I was reminded of that when you mentioned that point in your letter.
Good point
There has been a conscious effort by the government to teach folks "what" to feel, and to make learning how to think a failing grade.
In every aspect of the average person's day they are told this is how you should feel, behave, eat, drive, look, etc. And anyone that thinks for themselves and does it a different way is shunned by society.
I wrote this before I got to the 90 minute mark of "Fall of the Republic", I watched that later in the day after I wrote this. I thought to myself, " Huh, that's what I just wrote?"
Nice to know there are at least a couple thousand of us left that want to use our brains.
"What was taken from the boomers, it ain't there, what was taken from the X'ers it ain't there, what is being taken from their great, great, great squared grandchildren it ain't there. Some generation just has to have the guts to quit passing it on." Me
*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*
Most people really dont understand freedom at all
Even people that are liked minded, even people that believe in the Constitution, and even people that have been with this movement from the beginning do not understand about freedom at all. I am thankful that this movement began in any-case because it will lay a foundation for universal principles to be build upon. Principles that gave birth to our revolution, and France, and what would become Germany, and even Austria-Hungary. The principles that came to our homeland after the enlightening age, with Voltaire, and John lock, john lock being one of the two most important people who would inspire Thomas pain and even write the first Constitution for the state of South Carolina, which our Constitution is based upon, and of course John S. Mills who wrote of liberty. In every sentence that is written in any of these works, self ownership is always presence. I believe this idea to be what we all hold so dear, but you seldom hear people say, " I own myself ". A phase so simple that you would think it would be on everyone's tongue. Self ownership covers it all, the right of keeping anything that you produce because it is an equal exchange of time, abilities, energy and thought all of which is yours. Equality is the only thing that produces freedom and self ownership is the only thing that produces equality.
What is the "standard"?
WHOA!!
John Locke & Thomas Paine are not equals; nor is an "awakening" the same as an "enlightenment"...
John Locke was a avid supporter of Biblical principles, Thomas Paine was not! The Great Awakening was brought about by bold proclamation of expository bible preaching by the likes of a George Whitfield or a Jonathon Edwards; whereas an "enlightening" is purely man's intellect that leads us to mix Darwinian evolution theory(pure stupidity) in with the Biblical account of creation.
So, honestly - in the name of the 1st Amendment - what is the STANDARD for identifying or opposing political corruption; because excluding biblical Christianity and the moral dictates of the Creator our founders hitched their personal morality to in MOST cases seems to be the prevailing TREND even in this patriot movement...especially among "conservatives"!
The Creator has only granted us STEWARDSHIP responsibilities over anything we "produce", or, are able to produce within the confines of the Life, Liberty, and Property He graciously affords us - we OWN nothing, not even ourselves. Everything temporal will be passed along to someone else, and everything ETERNAL will return to it's Creator.
It is better that we remain disorganized and do not agree - than unite in ERROR! We will never be "self-owned", only self-controlled!!!
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Take the "cluelessness" DEEPER please...
Unfortunately - I have been "threatened" by fellow patriots NOT to use "WeAreChange" as the fundamentalist Christian worldview(that ALSO is opposed to corruption) is not in line with their "code of conduct"...which also lauds "inalienable rights" rather than God-given "unalienable rights"!
Pay Attention folks!
Diversity and tolerance is how America got here - and it is also the two-edged sword that will slay us as a nation.
I thought the Declaration of Independence said "ALL men are created EQUAL" - therefore, the "laws of Nature and of Nature's God"(The CREATOR), more in line with George Washington's indispensable supports of "religion and morality"; ought to be highly regarded - not SPAT UPON by professing Patriots, the Republicans in re-brand mode, and Fox News Libertarians; who need the money and votes of pro-abortionists and gays in order to regain POWER!
Sorry I tried, but the democratic majority of this whole movement is also nauseatingly "politically correct" in that they are deliberately bent towards rejecting the faith of our founders(pure religion); and therefore is an absolute joke! There's a sucker born every minute - keep sending C4L your money, keep supporting secular progressivism - and NOTHING will change, because the nation's collective MORALITY won't change to line up with the dictates of the Creator!
Remember, ALL these professing "patriots" who are vying for your money; they will all have their Political Action Committees & lobbyists too who MADE them - and if they speak like I speak - they render themselves "unelectable"! This is NOT how it was during our founding era; faith was PURE, faith was lauded; faith curried the favor of the Divine and won us our independence; and America's faith was NEVER to become so CORRUPTED!
The IRS deliberately took control of our churches BEFORE they took control of our POLITICS because they KNEW where dissent would arise from - and now, only through appeasing the Internal Revenue Service, or controlling them; will you have a VOICE in these United States of America; and the perceived "leaders" of the Patriot movement have chosen to comply with their unconstitutional restraints in order to make themselves wealthy by preying upon those dissenting, yet still unthinking, malcontents.
The "love of money" has replaced our obligation of gratitude to the Creator - and thus we have chosen unwisely to be governed by tyrants(even within this Patriot movement we comply with their laws), rather than be personally restrained by the wisdom of the Bible; and thereby electing PROPER, truly-American representation.
Civil disobedience goes much further than public criticism and lawful peaceful assembly...research the current lot of creationist Kent Hovind and the fate of his Dinosaur Adventure Land theme park in Pensacola Florida who dared to disobey certain IRS laws that perhaps don't actually exist - or do exist now in order to make "unregistered churches" who know their theology as well as our founders did an ever-looming threatening EXAMPLE.
Electing fiscal conservatives will solve NOTHING; it is a band-aid on cancer, re-arranging the chairs on the deck of the sinking Titanic.
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"; that is not lack of knowledge regarding government regulation, taxation, fiat currency and unconstitutional deficit spending - it is more like knowledge regarding the holy character of the Creator who hates sin, and has promised to hold every last created human being personally responsible for their sin account upon death.
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Try reading "Free Thinkers"
It is a book that, among other things, tells the story of the relationship between religion and government in the first 150 years of our Republic. You might be surprised at just how adamant religious leaders were that there be a sharply defined separation between religion and government. They understood that ANY endorsement of ANY aspect of religion in government would be an attack on the freedom of religion. The leaders of the new evangelical religions, as well as the non-Anglican denominations, made comon cause with humanists to be sure the government was set up as a totally secular enterprise...to assure their own survival!
You will note that the name of God does not show up anywhere in the Constitution. That was not because the people were not religious (though some were defininately not) but because they understood the danger of giving the appearance of God's approval to the flawed and potentially corrupt institution of human government.
Creator and Lord do APPEAR...
...the Constitution, that was ratified after article 7 in "The Year of Our Lord", is but an extension of the Declaration of Independence which says "Creator" - according to Judge Napolitano in a video I saw here on the DP...making the TWO documents, ONE continuous document....
Just because the world has amassed unto itself literally hundreds of religions to satisfy man's wicked & deceitful human hearts(Jeremiah 17:9) - doesn't mean that polytheism is LEGIT - nor does it mean that a Christian conscience should be EXCLUDED from impacting government...sadly, what is PREFERRED now in the vetting of candidates is the marginalization of individuals who would in fact be deriving their public policy positions from the wisdom contained in the scriptures.
The more we keep mixing the black and white paint together, the more we will spread only more confusion and distraction - while the TYRANTS who know what they want will continue UNCHALLENGED in revoking our God-given liberties PERMANENTLY!
The Liberties we want are God-given, and God is allowing EVIL people to be His instrument in taking away that which He alone has supreme authority to govern!
Most of us are "anonymous", and still on the fence - the 56 signers were NOT!
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I stand corrected
the "Lord" was invoked to certify the year inwhich it was ratified. Hardly an endorsement of the Constitution.
If I understand you, though I admit that I may not, I think you believe you are free to do as you wish with your life and property, as long as you do not harm anyone else, and that you believe others have an equal right.
If that is a correct statement of your beliefs, then we have no quarrel.
Nice response! oh and nice shameless plug for the biz!
It was long but worth the read!
Were with you brother!
For Freedom!
For Freedom!
STUGOTS! To the high and felutent establishment!
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To O'Dell
WHAT A GREAT POST !! I AND MANY OTHERS COMPLETELY AGREE AND ALSO OPENLY EXPRESS THOSE FACTS,
OPINIONS AND OBSERVATIONS.
What an awesome Post! I am
What an awesome Post! I am going to show this to my Obamamite Sister. It sums my feelings up to a tee. (The reply back to the 2 Numbsculls) Great Job ODell !!!!
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."- Thomas Jefferson
There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan
"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr
My attempt to have a conversation with a "Conservative/neo-con"
Me: What are the responsibilities of the government of the U.S?
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: To follow the constitution and provide military protection and protect our freedoms......
Me:What does following the constitution mean to you?
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: Being an American.
Me: What does that mean to you?
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: What does that mean to you?
Me: I don't know
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: Then you better figure it out...It means standing up for Freedom.....
Me: Is the Patriot act Constitutional?
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: Who are you? I think the Patriot act is good because it QUESTIONS everyone....
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: Lots of enemies....
Me: Is it Constitutional?
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: I believe it is.... and it is necessary.....
Me: Does it violate your privacy?
Me: Your Rights?
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: Some, but if you have nothing to hide.... What's the problem?
Me: You know that an FBI agent can write a search warrant on the spot and you can't tell anyone not even a lawyer
Me: Is it constitutional?
Me: So you would violate the constitution to feel safe?
Me: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: Today Iran is prosecuting 3 protesters from their illegal election that was just held..... That is taking away your FREEDOM....
Me: Today the U.S.A is doing the same for protesting at the G20
Me: Is it not the same?
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: REALLY WE ARRESTED PEOPLE??? CAN YOU PROVE THAT?
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: Poor example, get your facts.....
Me: Well I'm sure you can get a lot of video's from youtube with people getting arrested and beating up
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: This is a pro Romney site thank you.....
Me: I haven't said anything bad about Romney
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: But we are not discussing him either... Be more concerned with our rights with Obama or lack of, if he has his way....
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: We discuss Mitt here....
Me: We are discussing the constitution
Me: Which if Romney is elected has to follow
Me: Is it not?
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: Not anymore.......
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: I am done.... thanks anyway......
Me: So if Romney is elected president will he follow the constitution by eliminating the patriot act or will he usurp it too?
Me: I think Romney if true to the principles of the constitution will eliminate it
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: Ask Romney I don't speak for him... but I prefer him to who we have now.....
Me: The patriot act is like the sedition act
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: That is your interpretation....
Me: I think if Romney were president now I would prefer him (was trying to keep the discussion going, alas it did not work)
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: I am happy to hear that....
Me: What did the sedition act do?
Me: Violate the constitution, did it not?
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: I have a phone call..thx for stopping by... another time perhaps.....
Me: Great
(5 minutes later)
50 to 60ish neo-con lady: Anyone else here to chat?
THE END.
lol.
lol.
Freedom is a difficult concept to grasp
when you have led to believe it means something that it is not. When freedom is described as being given from government and what government does makes us free, then how would they know what it really is. I assume the founders ran into some similarities in their efforts to rally the people. Although, we may have it worse since the whole definition of freedom is screwed up.
Where "Give me Liberty or give me death" meant true freedom to Payne it means, "Give me tax breaks, low interest rates, etc" to some Americans or "Give me free health care, etc" to others.
The tyrants have so twisted the language that nobody knows what the hell they are talking about anymore.
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Wow
Nice Job! Can I plagerize your email? ;) Of course they replied with such a lack of substance. You attempted to make them think for themselves. They don't know how. You can only hope you planted a seed. If you did it is doubtful they will let you know, but I have had some surprises from folks I had completely given up on and had treated me awful who have suddenly come back with a whole new attitude and wanting more. And a couple of them I never would have imagined would come around much less let me know it. Thank you for sharing this. You may have accomplished more than you know.
Fine with me.
I am listening to the local talk guy in Montgomery, he sent a reply saying he may talk about it on his show.
"What was taken from the boomers, it ain't there, what was taken from the X'ers it ain't there, what is being taken from their great, great, great squared grandchildren it ain't there. Some generation just has to have the guts to quit passing it on." Me
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AND I'm a racist because I
AND I'm a racist because I believe in the Law being obeyed ? I get speeding tickets & traffic fines if I break the law ..How about you ?
Good people do Good deeds
Good people make it happen
Good for you Odell. You know I do the same thing when I
get attitudes like this in my own realm. I feel compelled to answer them.
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Yup the average person is
Yup the average person is completely clueless and thoroughly brainswashed by the media. Even self proclaimed freedom lovers do not have the courage to act on thier supposed convictions more then waving a sign of protest or signing a petition and voting once every two or four years.
Electing new folks to the corporation will not win the day. You'd think people would get a clue when despite decades of doing this and especially the last two years things have continued to degrade at ever increasing speeds.
As a free people from which government derives its just powers we are superior to any government we create and have a right to alter or abolish said government and set up new guards for our freedoms. It is time to do that as assemblies of free people and restore the republic: http://oursammie.net/
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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!
Get Prepared!
Waking up is not an easy
Waking up is not an easy process. Every little bit helps, so even if you did not have any converts today you still aided in the long term process towards liberty.
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Why O'Dell....
you sound just like a "Junior Badnarik". :) Good job with the letter. I had no idea you were so young, you must be an "old soul".
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Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer
Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer
That was a picture from almost 5 years ago, when I first opened
Now if my hair & beard get longer than 3/4" I look like santa claus.
Thanks for the compliment though.
"What was taken from the boomers, it ain't there, what was taken from the X'ers it ain't there, what is being taken from their great, great, great squared grandchildren it ain't there. Some generation just has to have the guts to quit passing it on." Me
*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*
This is an extremely well
This is an extremely well written piece. The only minor issue I have is just one of tact, and it really isnt that important but it is something I have noticed in my own debates with others.
You cannot make a liberal deny climate change. The best thing to do is ignore the actual issue itself. What you should do is question the motivations of those that push the climate change agenda at the international level. Who benefits? Raise taxes in a recession? That way, you can plant a seed of doubt without labelling yourself as a "denier". I know that personally, I really dont know if there is climate change or not. Only a trained scientist can know for sure, and even then there is honest debate, but I am against climate change legislation because those that push it the hardest are untrustworthy(even more untrustworthy than the sketchy GOP scientists). Nobody wants to be a schmuck. No one wants to feel used.
I use the same tactics on the War on the Middle East. Like global warming and liberals, neo-conservatives believe in the Islamic threat with a religious fervor. You cannot meet this threat head on, the web of lies is far to intricate. What you can do is attack the motivations of Bush and others in going to war. If they care about terrorism, why are our borders still wide open? If radical Islam is the threat, why did we depose of a moderate Islamic government in Iraq?
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None of us really have the big picture of the powers that be
Ron Paul might have a decent idea, but you can tell that he holds back a good bit in his interviews. I don't blame him because people get murdered for telling truths that the government deems a danger to the government.
What might help is to create a big picture to work towards as opposed to constantly fighting the deception machine. Certainly, we have a lot of material to work with already...(the founding principles). But we need a crystal clear vision to compete with the vision that the powers that be shove down the masses necks.
Easier said than done.
But be clear about this: the powers that be have a clear cut vision and several layers of plans (short, medium, and long-term). None of the major stuff that is happening is happening by chance. These people simply have accepted to rule over their lives (and ours too). I suppose that is a good foundation for our vision too: we must choose to rule over our lives...and that is definately easier said than done...because that means creating our own energy, agricultural, education, military, medical, etc. infrastructures.
Nearly everyone would prefer to just try to change *their* system from the inside, but we will never be on the inside.
Frankly, I've been reconsidering whether I want to separate myself from the Judeo-Christian world order. When I stop looking at the trees of that world order, I see that the forest of the world order has, indeed, been quite benevolent. Oh, they definately lie, steal, murder, etc., but usually to ensure some goal is met...and that goal usually helps a lot of people (who frankly, can't take care of themselves).
Further, right now there are several world order wannabes competing with each other...and the best one IMHO is the Judeo-Christian order. I suppose if I knew more about certain other orders, I might change my mind, but until then I am not so resistent for countries, even the USA, to be absorbed into something bigger.
Completely clueless
Completely clueless Americans. This is why I am going to leave the country. You and I and the rest of the people on DP are simply outnumbered. The NWO has succeeded. When TSHTF, and it will, do you really think you can convert people to constitutional values? If you know 20 people like you within 50 miles of you I'd be surprised. I still believe in educating people and I do it everyday. Every single day I hand out Freedom To Fascism DVD's. I talk to as many people as possible about the NWO takeover of our country. People listen, they smile and some even agree with you, but most quickly go back to doing the same things that got us into this mess inthe first place. Just look at the responses you got to your intelligent response to their unintelligent emails. This is what we are up against. Only when bullets are flying or people are going to bed hungry at night will they realize things are seriously wrong. But I'll bet you my last dollar that most will blame the gubermint for not doing enough. Morons!!!
And those of you who believe that leaving the USSA is a form or cutting and running, ought to look up where that term came from. It is actually a lifesaving action used by sailors to avoid the sinking of their ship. Amerika is going to crash, and crash hard. Do you think you can count on the people in your neighborhood to actually do the right thing? Good luck to us all!
You Judge A Tree By It's Fruit, NOT its Flower