Big pay cuts ... what about Goldman?
Big pay cuts ... what about Goldman?
Pay czar Kenneth Feinberg cut the pay of 175 employees at the top seven bailed-out companies, but some are calling for curbs at other firms as well.
By David Goldman, CNNMoney.com staff writer
October 22, 2009: 10:50 AM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Obama administration's pay czar is imposing tough cuts on 175 big earners -- but many on Wall Street are still on track for a banner payday.
Kenneth Feinberg, appointed the Treasury's special master for compensation in June, has ultimate say over compensation for the top paid employees at the 7 most bailed-out companies: AIG (AIG, Fortune 500), Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500), Citigroup (C, Fortune 500), General Motors, Chrysler, GMAC and Chrysler Financial.
In an official policy to be announced Thursday, Feinberg is expected to demand salary cuts of up to 90%, and total reductions -- including stock and options -- of 50%.
But Feinberg's ruling will not impact other financial firms that are on track to pay out record bonuses, like Goldman Sachs (GS, Fortune 500), Morgan Stanley (MS, Fortune 500) and JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500).
Revenue projections for those firms keep rising, and analysts say bonuses will be back on track for another record year following a one-year dive in 2008. Goldman Sachs said last week that it set aside $16.7 billion for salaries, employee stock options and bonuses, which works out to about $526,814 per employee.
"The whole bailout situation has raised a lot of questions about fairness," said Eleanor Bloxham, chief
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The Reson that Goldman was excluded is because...
They are not a business
They are in fact a global government. 8)
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And the idiocy go on and
And the idiocy go on and on.....
Exactly what does it matter whether the billions in wealth taken from the rest of America goes to Goldman employees or shareholders? The problem is that the wealth was, and is, taken from people further away from the financial sector, and handed to people closer to it. When we have a system whose prime "feature" is to do this systematically, and to accelerate the trend as matter of policy whenever some "aggregate" indicator increases slower than they happen to have done a few years earlier, of course the people at the very center of the financial sector will end up with a lot of money. Duh!
Like, if every time the Fed "needed" to fight this horrible deflation, mischaracterized as price declines in an entirely arbitrary basket of goods; their only means of doing so was handing me enough money so I could bid every price up until CPI increased again. How could I not end up making a lot of money? How dense is it possible to get. And exactly what difference would it make to those robbed to hand me the money whether I paid some of the loot out to my own Vice President of Personal Vanity, or simply kept it too myself. The people robbed for my benefit still wouldn't get their money back, as then the big, bad deflationary spirals would come get us.
Here's a solution that would work, with 100% certainty, as there's simply no way in which it could not work: Just stop the wealth transfers to the financial sector from anyone else, and the financial sector will shrink to < 5% of the economy, with the remaining few percents being actual productive work, not simply living off government largesse, like the current bunch of welfare queens do. Then Wall Street salaries drop by 80+%, Wall Street profits drop the same, the welfare queens find some at least marginally productive to do with their little lives (or simply starve, whichever they prefer), and the rest of America get wealthier, from simply not having to drag a bunch of Armani clad boat anchors along with them in whatever productive work and venture they decide to undertake.
True.
Yes.
Need to play "Hot potato".
If the salaries of the executives are cut, then what happens to the jobs generated by the money that executives spend? All those waitresses who depend on big tips from drunken executives in the private boxes at sporting events are going to get the shaft.
What about the expensive car dealer and repairman that services it? they are going to be out of a job.
And don't forget the private jet pilots that will be going to the bread line.
The problem isn't when executives make lots of money, the problem is if they don't spend what they receive and sock it away. Money has to circulate for it to have value.
grant
This whole situation is a mess
The insane amount of aggressive force used in American society, especially by unchecked government actors, needs to end.
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Too Big
Those companies are too big to have salary cuts. See, if we cut the massive bonuses, the executives might leave and the firms would collapse and the entire world economy would collapse and blood would run in the streets and millions of children would die. So the bonuses are to save the children.
If these bonuses are cut, the terrorists win.
You must hate freedom. Socialist. Racist.
Oh, look over there!!!!! A boy in a balloon!!!!! A politician having an affair!!!!! Swine flu!!!! Wow!!!! Keep looking over there!!!!!
Here's another idea!
Maybe instead of picking on ANY ONE PERSON (or company), what would you think about capping EVERYONE's salary...
and whatever Would Have Been paid to everyone (over and above the amount of the cap), is instead diverted back to society for the betterment of ALL?
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~ Sherman H. Skolnick
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
Yes
I apologize for picking on Goldman Sachs. After all, they are just like any other good American enterprise, making their profit by serving the consumer in a freely competitive market without any help from government coercion and without engaging in any massive, globe-spanning fraud that has helped to ruin the greatest hope for liberty the world has ever known.
Ha.
I didn't expect you to get it, either.
It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
Oh well
Whatever you are alluding to was probably too deep for me. I'm just a simple guy, taking my amusement where I can in the midst of the slow-motion train wreck that is my country.
OK, then - try this one on for size:
"If we could turn the population of the earth into a small community of 100 people, keeping the same proportions we have today, it would be something like this:
"Work with passion
Love without needing to be loved
Appreciate what you have
And do your best for a better world."
~ Nan Kempner
Easier said than done. We are strongly divided in our opinion on this, and that may never change. Mine is not the place to change it, but to simply express my own emotional struggle with the subject.
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It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
Ummm
I honestly don't have a clue what opinion you think we are strongly divided on. I didn't think I expressed one in this thread, except to the extent you can extract from my sarcastic remark directed at government spin that I am, well, hostile to government spin.
It's simple, really.
You rant your way, and I'll rant mine. :)
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It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
Okay
If THAT is your point, I don't see any disagreement. Rant away as pleases you.
(CS?)
:)
It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
Yeah!
Now THERE'S an idea!!!
However, I think Marx beat you to it.
So you think Acala's rant
has more substance than my idea?
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It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
No, I don't think that.
I know from reading Acala's posting history that his post was satire. and never intended to be taken seriously. It was meant to be a joke.
Was yours?
Thanks
Thank you for your kind support. :-)
Even if it was meant to be
Even if it was meant to be joke... it isn't. He just described reality.
THAT'S what I'm talking about.
Reality bites.
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It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
Nope.
And I didn't expect you to get it.
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It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!