Here's why THEY control YOU **
** I changed the title a bit so that it was more reflective of the content of the post.
I had posted something I wrote as a response in a different thread that I wanted to throw out to a broader audience for you consideration.
The discussion there was about what 'WE' could do. With the corporate personhood issue being at the top of the list for a few days, I had plenty of time to think about the deeper underlying cause of all the terrible things you see around you in terms of government. And more importantly, what people ought to do in order to remedy the situation in my opinion.
That said, what follows was in response to the questions posed in this thread --> http://www.dailypaul.com/node/111860 I ask you to read this with an open mind. Thanks.
You seem resigned to accepting the items you list above. This appears to be so because you list them as being the will of "the democratic majority, big government republicans, and a populace that enjoys living on its knees with its hand out." I'd like to challenge you to think of these items from a different angle.
Allow me to illustrate. I'll ask you to please bear with me through this, and I wish to make it EXPLICITLY clear that I would never use violence to achieve my goals. This is a strictly hypothetical situation for the purposes of illustrating what I mean. That said...
If I were to tell you that you needed to do X because I said so, would you? Would you feel obligated to obeying my command? What if I told you to do X, or I'd kill you? How about if I told you that if you didn't do X, I'd instead simply kidnap you, only killing you if you resisted that? How about if I told you to do X, but that I wouldn't kidnap you right away, instead giving you the option to pay me a certain sum of money that I decided on? And only if you didn't comply with that demand, in addition to the original demand to do X, that then I would kidnap you, only killing you if you resisted then? Would you comply willingly with my demand then? What if I had a few friends who agreed with me that I ought to demand these things? What then? Would you go along? What if 'my group' had 51% of 'the people' who agreed with me? What if we called ourselves 'government'. Would you simply go along then just because we said so?
You may ask why I am asking you these things when you ask 'how will WE regroup'? Here's why. Because you believe that some group, some WE or THEM, in this case the THEM of government, has some 'right' to make you do X. And the only method that that group has to make sure you comply with their demands is violence. 'THEY' will continue to tell you what to do for as long as YOU grant them the power of legitimacy. Until then, it'll always be a game of 'US' or 'WE' against 'THEM'. It's a fight between two imaginary combatants. There is no 'us', there is no 'them'. There are people like you who grant people like the hypothetical me in the example above the power over you.
I realize that those people, the real ones like that hypothetical me above, will send other very real people with guns to hurt you in some way should you not go along with their demands. But the only reason they can do that and get away with it is because other people like you are today still believe that 'just because THEY say so' is a valid reason for obeying the commands of THEY, and equally valid a reason to excuse THEM when THEY commit acts of violence against those who don't comply.
Dozer - agreed
Your right. We cannot get together because none of us(unknowns like me and knowns, like Hannitty, Beck, etc.) can put down our pet gripes with the other groups long enough to focus on one LARGER issue and challenge and conquer it and move on. So like, what 4 - 8 groups could get behind the following big issues:
- End the FED
- Fundamentally change or eliminate the IRS and/or replace with Fairtax
- Reverse the Patriot Act or lighten it up at least
- Cut the Fed government size considerably - DEA, DOE, HUD, DHS, etc., cut by 40 - 60% or eliminated
Gwinnett County Georgia
War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson
First thing we must do
We must get passed the feeling that we are helpless and alone. The feeling that there is little we can do to get control over these few. This is exactly what they want. WE THE PEOPLE have the power, but they continually feed us lies about the numbers. I would love to know the real true numbers of how many people across the nation voted for Ron Paul. We will never know the answer to that. We do not need co-sponsers to audit or end the Fed. We do not need an election year to appoint a president. We need one simple thing that we just can not seem to do. We simply need to Unite behind one issue at a time until we reach our goals. Not just one group or faction, but all of us together. All of the groups can agree that ending the Fed would be agreeable. Ron Paul has told us this is what needs done and he is fighting for this. We need all of us, the liberty people, religious people, vets, skinheads, gays, blacks, whites, etc. The Constitution gives all of these groups the right to practice their beleifs. If we could do this one thing to prove to the people we can, it would be a catalist for things to come. No bloodshed required. WE THE PEOPLE have the power. Yes we can...
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'WE'?
You keep using 'WE'. I guess you don't understand how YOU give THEM power by continuing to believe in groups, do you?
Yes, I do understand.
I do agree with and beleive in individuality. However as you point out, the game " they " are playing is an "us and them" game that the brainwashed "we" beleive. As individuals we must join forces and prove to the brainwashed "we" that there is a choice. As indivduals at this point of the game we stand very little chance assecerting our powers as individuals because the "them" is still backed by the brainwashed "we".
In reality the brainwashed "we" are the "them". As far as the word (we) that I use is to desribe the so called awakend ones.
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great analysis
Free yourself.
Repent, for the reign of YaHUaH is near!
Thanks!
I simply want to be free. Don't you?
sooner or later
dont you think someone is going to have to give up something to get our liberty back? It isnt bad enough yet for people to entertain that reality is it?
I dont believe in violence, but I think it may be time to realize that the folks were dealing with in our federal government arent rational, reasonable people doing whats best for the USA and especially for the principles the founders believed in. When I say "folks were . . .government", I'm talking like Geithner, Paulson, Bernanke and past 2 or 3 FED chairmen, all the Fed chairmen of the regional banks, Mr. Cashkali. the IRS top level of people, DHS top level of people. Barney Frank, Lindsey Graham, McCain, Pelosi, Reid, etc., etc. That is not to mention the Bush cronies who helped get the Patriot Act through.
How do you really think these folks and the myriad of scum that are coming in replacing them have ANY interest in what we think or want?
They are JUST like Saddam Hussein and any other bully. They understand one thing, and thats when they see their blood dripping on the pavement from getting punched. THEN and only then do they begin to listen to what your saying to them because at THAT point, they may hate you, but they must respect you.
We wont win any liberty back by "peacebly assembling".
Gwinnett County Georgia
War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson
Using force to defend yourself at this point would not work
And the reason that is is because most people still believe that THEY have authority over YOU. Until people learn to see that there is no THEY, that it is individual people commiting these violent acts, it will be pointless to fight THEM.
Peace is the path.
give up our mortgage payments
And NOT leave our homes. En masse. That would change things, no bloodshed required.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
Pokerface song says it all.....
Listen to lyrics:
"We ought to take back control...gonna free our souls....take it back take it back...."
This song ROCKS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me--3dc6FNw
R3VOLution
none you are correct
but being correct doesn't mean much when they have a gun to your head.
Just my observation.
Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.
Exactly
And that is why the original Constitution and Bill of Rights was set in place to restrict the government. The ideals were correct, however people became complacent and the Banksters took control again.
Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Freedom. If the people still held politicians to the Constitution we wouldn't be in the mess we're in.
Something I've come to understand is this;
The men referred to as the founding fathers were split. There were those who believed in the power of THEY and those who understood that the power of THEY was nothing more than an illusion.
Those who believed in THEY were the federalists, those who didn't weren't and admonished posterity to keep a watchful eye on those who'd occupy those positions of power and revolt against transgressions against 'the people'.
Collectivism, I have come to understand, is the root ot the evil which we face.
Eliminate the 'WE' and the 'THEM' and the true problem reveals itself.
I haven't studied the Continental Congress 2009 website as well
as I should have, and I didn't attend any of Bob Schulz "We The People" seminars. But from the things I did read, I think the remedy for congress not providing us with Redress of Grievance will be to withhold funds from the government that doesn't follow the Constitution.
I think Bob Schulz, G. Edward Griffin, and others involved with CC2009 are well aware of this subject, and it will be address at the Continental Congress.
Can anyone address this that has been to the seminars and understands it better?
How can it be addressed?
The entire principle of government is based upon individuals giving up their rights to groups, and seeing groups as independent of the individuals actually taking actions presumably on the behalf of those groups.
How can any group adress this issue without either lying or declaring their own presumed authority unjust?
Bump
for change of title
I hope that more of you will read this and consider seriously why THEY have authority over YOU.
carrots and sticks
You pose a provocative question.
If survival is at stake in a real crisis, especially if it is coupled with physical pain, people will do the darnedest things. They'll do whatever it takes to get one more breath of life or to remove the pain. They may betray a loved one, etc.
So I just thought I'd point out something more ordinary in our everyday experience of government and life in these united states. Government is not just a threat of violence or incarceration if you do not comply (the stick) but it is also the reward of conformity...that comfortable, go with the flow sense of belonging (the carrot).
I mean, if you've ever been stranded on a freezing cold night, you know how powerful the found connection to another human being can be. We're very alone in a very threatening universe. It's good to belong.
However...if you can totally accept your own death, from one moment to the next, there is the possibility of a sense of freedom from our dependency on others.
Not that you'd really want to go there...
The carrot is never without the attached stick though.
There's two things I'd like to point out about the carrot/stick analogy.
First, the carrots that are dangled in front of you were stolen from you. Second, the stick is always attached to the carrots.
Good point
Good point
Thanks!
Let there be liberty in our lifetime.
Anyone?
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