Are we "Nationals" in a Free-Society or "Individuals?"

Octo,
I don't want to put words into your mouth, but on what philosophical basis does C-E work. I can't accept C-E if it is based on utilitarianism or other moral relativist philosophy which is not universalizable.

Mises placed the consumer at the pinnacle of his political philosophy, but the term consumer is one which places the observer of this philosopher on shifting grounds. Take for example personal services, consumers will demand more of a producer, but that producer wants to consume leisure time too. Unless you have a universalizable ethic to base your political philosophy upon, the producers of personal services may be less equal consumers than others.

It is because of the shortcomings of utilitarianism that I have been persuaded that self ownership and homesteading principle are the only universalizable political philosophy which will allow satisfaction of wants at the same time as it minimizes interpersonal conflict.

republic

When you say WE, who exactly are you talking about?

And I'm not objecting to the content of your post necessarily, I'm simply challenging you to stop thinking in terms of collectives. In fact, I agree with quite a bit of what you have to say most of the time. You lose me at taxes though, but that's a debate we can have elsewhere some other time.

As for this post, I do agree that counter-economics would, if practiced by enough people, cause the mechanism of the state to fall flat on it's face.

Nazi which stands for the National Socialist party, were Statists who denied people the right to private property, property and production can under control of the Nazi socialist party.
Naive ignorant Nationalists were commanded to take an oath to Hitler. This was done by Werner von Blomberg who personally ordered all soldiers in the army to pledge the Reichswehreid (oath of allegiance) not to Volk and Fatherland, but to the new Reichspräsident and Führer Adolf Hitler, which is thought to have limited later opposition to Hitler.
Now if we think about it, since Congress has given the authority of making war to the president and he is the commander and Chief under the Constitution, those who take an oath to the Constitution as it is interpreted today are actually taking an oath to the president!!! Scary, eh!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_von_Blomberg
grant

I re-read all of these posts, and I want to make it clear, because I think there is some confusion...

One doesnt 'become' sovereign they 're-gain' their sovereignty.

All sovereignty requires is the canceling of contracts that you inadvertantly signed over the years. It is not some magic saying or request to the government.

If everyone in your town thinks you are a fireman, not because you said so, but because you always wear FDNY shirts and hats, you drive a red truck with a light on it, and you have yellow rubber boots, that doesnt mean you are a fireman. This however is a harmless presumption.

This is why the federal government is allowed to 'presume' you are one of their subjects, (a federal employee) because the laws say any one who claims to be a "citizen of the United States" will be treated as a resident of Washington D.C.., and you have all of the hats, shirts, boots, and trucks of a Federal Employee, soc sec number, (aka fed TIN), A passport that says you are a "citizen of the U.S.", a birth certificate, a selective service card, voter registration, jury status, and the list goes on.
Every time in your life that you have signed any government paper, w-4, w-2, selective service card, social security card, passport, drivers license, state or federal checks, certain home loans, school applications, etc, you have unknowingly signed what is called an adhesion contract. This could be as simple as filling out a passport, and checking the box for "U.S.Citizen" then signing your name to it. Without looking up the definitions of all of these documents, you gave up certain rights, and declared, often under penalty of perjury, that you were something that you actually weren't.

As a "citizen of the U.S." you received certain 'benefits', such as refunds, tax incentives, credits, drivers license, voting rights, medicaid, wellfare, and so on...
You cant get a benefit, without paying for it somehow. This is why, and how they justify their position. By being a "citizen of the U.S." you unknowingly opted to be in the "Democracy" instead of the 'Republic' you are guaranteed.

In America, we have the right to contract, in fact we have the right to give up our rights, and that is what we have done.

regaining your sovereignty is nothing more than learning about your actions and correcting them, and removing yourself from the Federal Jurisdiction that you never should have been in.
It is NOT living in the woods, cooking over wood fires, and sneaking into town to pick up supplies once a month.

Octobox, It is rewarding to be able to read and discuss ideas in a forum like this. Thanks for your well thought out discussion enhancing ideas. Like you, we all need to deliberate and determine our course of action in remediating this convoluted Republic. We may chose separate paths, but we are on the same team. I am so grateful for discussions of this nature, through the internet as I went for years looking for answers, not knowing where to find them. I am one of those who would choose sovereignty over slavery at all costs. I will not let a corrupt corporate government entity dictate my actions or cause me to sin or break the lawful agreements of representative governance. I long ago determined that I could not support a corrupt government through the income tax scheme so I remained in the poverty level and had no family. I am highly skilled and educated and have developed a couple of businesses in the past. I have the potential to employ numerous people, yet as in Atlas Shrugged, I will not generate more revenue for the government. I, like you, have often wondered how many people in our society have taken the road of principal I have taken and what monetary rewards I have foregone for such an action. I am a lawful member of society and will not knowingly violate that responsibility or violate natural law. My freedom to serve one god is of utmost importance to me and the remedies to do this are provided within the context of our existing law. I did not know the remedies until recently due to discussions like this and the reference to other sites, and personal actions described by individuals like Julius. I feel we must empower ourselves with the law or we become just as corrupt as those we are trying to avoid. ie. How could one defend themselves, in truth, if they were under the jurisdiction of the IRC and they were not fully reporting income. I couldn't answer that question and the government is not going to make me a liar. Sovereighty is definitely not an easy or hurried path but it is a righteous one.