What should I tell my congressman about healthcare?
I was recently invited to attend a health care discussion with my congressman on Monday Oct. 26 at 9am. Not really sure why they chose me, he really must not read my letters or emails. They have promised that all attending will get a chance to speak. They also said it will be a small group of less than 20.
I'm preparing something written to make sure I don't mess up if I get nervous. As of now I'm planning on taking the un-constitutional route because trying to teach free-market economics in 5 minutes is futile.
He's been in office for 13 terms now, a democrat, not signed onto 1207, will most definitely sign any health care bill Obama supports, overall he's quite the statist like all the rest.
All advice is greatly appreciated, topics, facts, data, attire, etc.
I'm in New York's 5th district, anyone else here going to be there?
Thank You.
The words health care do not appear in our Constitution. Ask
For some reason, we're expected to know every law that exists in America & in our state so we don't break it. We're supposed to know this when we're 18. There's no litmus test for them, as in the 10 commandments or rhyme or reason. C.U.R.E. Thank God for bugs, they're company for people in solitary confinement.
him if he can recite 5 things lines from Article 1 Section 8 & don't offer him a copy.
For some reason, we're expected to know every law that exists in America & in our state so we don't break it. We're supposed to know this when we're 18. There's no litmus test for them, as in the 10 commandments or rhyme or reason. C.U.R.E.
Wear a really nice suit and tell him you're for the plan
"I'm highly invested in pharmaceuticals and I'm looking forward to the windfalls this bill will bring."
or
"On behalf of the entire medical industry, I'd like to thank you for supporting national healthcare. Our corporations will make sure people get the best healthcare possible that will keep them coming back over and over. We're still immune from any liabilty, right?"
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Yay, Mike !
This gets my vote for the best post of the thread! These are both great.
-I favor extending to Israel the same honest friendship that Jefferson and the Founding Fathers urged us to offer to all nations. ...This means I also favor discontinuing foreign aid to governments that are actual or potential enemies of Israel,--Ron Paul
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
I apologize:.
I have no gracious words to say for this bill, just be factual, frank, and lay out the problems the bill has. (I also have no gracious words for traitors to their Constitutional oath, except may they repent before they get us all in FEMA camps!)
-I favor extending to Israel the same honest friendship that Jefferson and the Founding Fathers urged us to offer to all nations. ...This means I also favor discontinuing foreign aid to governments that are actual or potential enemies of Israel,--Ron Paul
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
Sorry
I apologize for bumping my own thread but we got off subject by arguing with pro socialized healthcare webbots. please help me with the right argument, i'm meeting on monday and would like to help alter some opinions, even if not with my congressman maybe some other attendees. thank you
I would tel him to not
I would tel him to not support Obama plan as going halfway will not solve any problems and will empower those forces that are destroying America.
I would ask him to demand and to support single payer system.
Promotion of general welfare and providing for common defence is not un-constitutional.
Single payer system will defend people from corporate greed and extortion
You can't insure domestic Tranquility without providing to citizens ways to escape corporate insurance enslavement.
And a socialist program will help?
Hold my hand, let's go for a walk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGL8CiUtXF0&feature=related
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Do public libraries help in
Do public libraries help in access to knowledge?
Is public funded education helping thousands of kids to escape poverty?
Do those "socialist programs" killed private bookstores and schools?
Are kids in Norway, Denmark, Holland, Germany, France less healthy and less educated than those in USA because of socialized medical care and education?
Interesting video... I agree that tyrrany of majority is as bad as dictatorship of individual... but if roman republic was such good system why it failed... and why almost all high officials in Roman Empire , including members of the Senate, came from a few wealthy and noble families...what differentiate them from oligarchy... how big was their administration... was it really small government???...do you know what percantage of people had right to vote in Roman Republic... don't you think Roman prosperity was a result of having strong military and huge number of slaves?
Public libraries and public schools are locally funded
I have no problem with many functions of local government, especially if I have the freedom to move somewhere where it's different. The federal Department of Education has not done one bit of good in educating children and can be demonstrated rather easily to be a complete failure. The post office is bankrupt, medicare is bankrupt, social security is bankrupt, but somehow a national healthcare plan isn't? They also have instant run-off voting/preference voting in those countries you mention.
You're grasping at straws with the Rome thing. They were merely talking about the origin of a word not holding up Rome as a shining example of anything. Come on, let's keep going down the path, ok?
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>Come on, let's keep going
>Come on, let's keep going down the path, ok?<
Spare me that walk please... I already were there... not by watching video or reading a book but by living for 25 years in country that was under soviet occupation. I know who Lenin was... his portraits were present in every school classes I attended. Every kid in my country knew why his portraits were everywhere.... and every kid knew what Stalin did to 15 thousands of our military officers in Katyn...and over million civilians deported to Siberia. Did you ever heard word Katyn? This was forbidden word even in western world... West was ashamed that in Nurenberg trials had no courage to mention it... You see... right now statues of Lenin in my native country were removed, school textbooks describe Stalin as war criminal, factories were privatized memorial of Katyn erected.... but socialized healthcare was not abandoned... do you have idea why???
because people like it... the same is true about people in Finland, Sweden,Norway, Denmark Holand ,Germany and quite few more " socialist nanny states"
If you like to know more about Katyn here is link to oscar nominated feature movie (with english subtitles)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ysd2DAhQ_8&feature=related
Huh?
do you support socialized healthcare? I personally don't. that general welfare statement has been greatly taken out of context and is an excuse for the government to go where it shouldn't. tranquility? is that the goal? I want freedom not tranquility.
I prefer dangerous freedom to peaceful slavery.
--Thomas Jefferson
"We the People of the
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty... "
This first sentence says what Constitution was establish for... you can prefer dangerous freedom than tranquility... but your preference do not change the fact that founding fathers included domestic Tranquility...
In such important document as Constitution even order of words have importance... that is why "establish justice" is in front of "insureTranqulity" and "securing Blessing of Liberty" is behind "promote general Welfare".
I support socialized "healthcare insurance system" not socialized health care...
Democracy is socialized form of governing... it can be bad and inefficient but so far nobody invented system that can establish Justice and tranquility better.
Yes they did. They called it a Constitutional Republic
"General Welfare" refers to the relationship between the states and the strength of the union.
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And many, if not all of the Founders...
had a concern with the clause- but assumed common sense would prevail.
( Wrong assumption, we were snowed)
-I favor extending to Israel the same honest friendship that Jefferson and the Founding Fathers urged us to offer to all nations. ...This means I also favor discontinuing foreign aid to governments that are actual or potential enemies of Israel,--Ron Paul
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
I tend to agree with you
Single payer is not the free market, but we don't have a free market in America. We have a market that is regulated and controlled for the benefit of the insurance industry. They keep 25% off the top, and give nothing in return. In a capitalist system, aren't we supposed to get some kind of benefit for our costs?
Read that again
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty... "
That's why they formed the union and the constitution. Freedom from government tyranny will create those things. It doesn't give the government the right to exercise its opinion on what will promote general welfare.
Honestly
We have many great threats to liberty in this country. Do you really consider comprehensive basic health care to be near the top of that list?
I do.
It's too personal. What if it leads to unhealthy activities being outlawed?
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What if?
That just hasn't happened in countries that have a comprehensive national health care program. I prefer a free market solution myself, but that would require repealing Medicare and Medicaid. The chances of that are no better than zero. In a country such as ours, ravaged by the disparities between the public and private systems, a single payer solution seems like a reasonable option.
What?
DO you think they'll prevent me from reading Huffington post?
I swear, I ALWAYS wash my hands after.
"I don't endorse anything they say"
~Ron Paul On the 911 Truth movement.
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yes they did
Democracy is socialized form of governing... it can be bad and inefficient but so far nobody invented system that can establish Justice and tranquility better.?
it's called a REPUBLIC!
Where you can find it? In
Where you can find it? In ...PUBLIC library? ...PUBLIC school? PUBLIC relation? If so many things are public why you oppose "public healthcare insurance system" Do you know what PUBLICLY or PUBLICation mean?
Public usually mean open to everybody... not only to those that can afford...
Demo is Greek word Public is Latin word... meaning is the same... Republic is synonymous with Democracy...
Even RP says there is no difference between RePUBLICan Party and DEMOcratic Party... both are rotten...
yes
i oppose public library and public school and both parties what's your point. I also oppose public service and public television.
And I oppose such selfish
And I oppose such selfish and egoistical views... so what's your point?
But our Republic works in part because of its democratic element
There are other republics out there too- like the Republic of China. Even within a republican system, there needs to be some way of reaching decisions, and the best way of reaching those decisions are through democratic-representative means.