Willing to give up blue skies for a climate fix? MSNBC front page
Submitted by celeste on Fri, 10/30/2009 - 08:39
A new study describes pros and cons of cooling Earth via a thin cloud of aerosols. Techniques cited to do that are, from left, artillery cannons, a miles-long tower, military aircraft and stratospheric balloons.
But it also warned that more needs to be learned before society is sufficiently informed to make a decision.
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Why????
Why do we allow disinfo posters to steal every single thread???
I called the Weather Modification, Inc. in Fargo, ND
in North Dakota yesterday. They retrofit airlines to spray aerosols and they spray also in ND, CA and WY. Nice guy, Hans Holeman said they spray silver iodid silver salts and calcium salt at 20,000 feet. Their spray is invisible. He says they don't 'make' clouds, they enhance clouds that you cannot yet see, warm clouds, cold clouds, different treatments depending on the desired results. Their particulates cause collision coalescents and there is usually no smoke trail at all, but occasionally there is, but mostly the 'clouds' come together after they put out their flair and the moisture is pulled together in the lower formations. They do constant environmental studies that show that they are not doing any more harm than the 'background.' He said anything we are seeing higher up and visible is not his company-so there is some pride going on between the competition about who can spray invisible stuff. He said what we were seeing was probably from 'dope' airlines or NW Airlines.
We need a North Dakota camera crew to go interview them.
http://www.weathermod.com/
Here is a picture and map access
http://www.weathermod.com/directions.php
Aerosols!
Why is North Dakota spraying aerosols anyway? How do they get pilots ignorant enough to do this at all? These sprayings are sure not invisible here over the great lakes. All anybody has to do is look up. It's in movie backgrounds, news clips from all over the world. Are you telling me that North Dakota is the only geo-engineering outfit that feels it is doing humanity a service? ...and that all this is an illusion? It must be another airlines??? Sorry...but I'm not buying this story. It doesn't make sense!!!
Right
I didn't buy it either. But what I found out is that he will talk about it. Hmmm. So now, we hope to send a reporter to get down to the real nitty gritty-nicely. We have been looking for someone who will just talk about it. This guy did. Lying by omission, no doubt. Maybe lying even a little here and there in what he WAS saying. But surely you have noticed that they CAN spray invisible chemtrails. We've known that a long time. Just didn't know that some companies only spray invisible. What he said all was probably pretty informative. But he wanted off and I stayed away from the really hard questions cause I want him available for a face to face. Hope to get a real reporter in there. We are working on it. If you have any ideas for a camera crew and reporter, send my way.
Simpletons!!!!
Is MSNBC totally comprised of simpletons? The word is out. There is NO GLOBAL WARMING! Legitimate Scientists with charts and details have proven that Gore's bandwagon on Global Warming is a fraud big time. Gore has been called out publicly as a "COWARD" for not stepping up to the plate for debate. One has to ask how much wealth Gore is personally going to make from his self-serving Globalist One-Government scare tactic that is going to cost taxpayers the privilege of existing!!! This man needs to be indicted for fraud and treason, along with his counterparts at MSNBC! What idiot is going to accept the increasing geo-engineering efforts that is mucking up our skies world-wide to perpetrate this myth? How much carbon is emitted from the ever continuous war-machines that is escalating as I write?
I'm still waiting
to hear from any of those who have been insisting that global warming is a hoax. I can't believe you are ignoring this thread. Forget about Al Gore. The point is that you were wrong - we obviously do have a problem with our planet's climate. You were wrong and I think you should admit it.
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amerianna, we can't each see every post
at the DP. And few of us here are climatologists. Most of us must rely on the available research of climatologists who publish studies on this issue.
My research tells me that most actual climatologists (not political appointees or popularizers such as Gore) do not think the question of climate change has been neatly answered. There is considerable controversy in the profession on the direction of climate change, the rapidity of change, and the causes of change.
A very recent thread on this forum included information from Lindzer of MIT, one of the world's foremost climatologists. His recently published study totally eviscerates the prevailing work published in favor of rapid global warming. You can Google his name and find a video of one of his lectures this year explaining the faulty data that has been so widely promoted.
And amerianna, I hope you're beginning to realize there is almost always an agenda behind legislation that increases centralized power. Look deeper, look throughout all history, you'll find the power elite aren't primarily motivated to make the world a better place for the powerless.
Global Warming is a slight of hand trick to enslave us into
a ONE WORLD TAX and a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. Polution is the problem but then we would have to hold polluters (INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS) responsible and we couldn't have that now could we. No let's focus on the carbon and create and Enron-eske Ponzi scheme to profit from cooked books (that THESE TOO BIG TO FAIL CORPS ARE KNOWN FOR) and destroy what's left of the free-market (small businesses).
WAKE THE F**K UP!
"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."
"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."
What "obvious" problems with
What "obvious" problems with climate is it that you are experiencing? From where I'm sitting, one year is pretty much like the last one, at least climate wise. I have no doubt increased atmospheric CO2 from fossil fuel burning and 3rd world deforestation does contribute to make the planet slightly warmer than it would have been otherwise, but who said it was perfect before? People, and ecosystems will adapt, like they've always done. The earth used to be a lot warmer back when they had jungles in Canada, and I'm sure it sucked for whatever reptiles and palm trees lived there that it got colder. The pine trees must have gotten a kick out of it, though.
The way to ensure as many people are positioned to deal with whatever temperature changes comes their way, is to allow them maximum freedom to choose how to deal with it if and when it happens, instead of restricting their options. And this means, letting them keep as much as possible of the fruits of their own labor, as having more resources makes their set of options larger.
Flying between energy intensive dwellings in Tennessee and San Francisco in a private jet, while agitating for using his influence over thugs to force most others to sit cramped together on a bus for hours a day, between their ramshackle ghetto apartment and their minimum wage job at a "green" coffee shop, in a neighborhood the policies you are championing have zoned out of their financial reach, is not the way. Only idiots (nicely put) think that. And only other idiots (also nicely put) would even consider supporting people like that.
I agree.
CO2 levels have risen drastically.
The following graph shows historical CO2 (right axis) and reconstructed temperature (as a difference from the mean temperature for the last 100 years) records based on Antarctic ice cores, providing data for the last 800,000 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Co2-temperature-plot.svg
Stuki is right. Leave it be. All of earth's vegetation is CO2 starved at even current CO2 levels. Let the plants grow. Let the fittest species win. Change is not such a bad thing.
here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw
Did you know that we have have multiple ice ages?
The temperature changes, deal with it.
You're right. The article shows 100% that man-made climate
change is not only possible, but actually on the table. If you understand the depth of the scam, you'll see that this "climate fix" is nothing of the sort. And that man-made global climate change is real, but it's not from you and me. Cap and trade in a nutshell (I was a charter member of ICLEI and Rebuild America) is non-polluters selling polluters the right to pollute more. In other words, if I own a 40 acre tree farm, I may sequester 5000 tons of CO2 and create no emmissions. But I could be creating 100,000 tons if my tree farm was a factory. SO---I can, through an agent of course, sell my 105,000 tons of non-pollution to a factory that can now emit that much more and call it zero. Brilliant, huh? Especially if you're the agent and there's big penalties for over-emitting. Now, what if you actually emit a little CO2 in your daily routine. How much will you pay to stay at zero?
Sorry, I know it's not EXACTLY related, but I really care about the environment and I'm tired of seeing BS money-making schemes passing as corrective measures. For half the cost of the first bailout, every home in america could have been given solar or wind power and the issue would be solved. But that would involve actually doing something constructive and we all know the government is not in that business anymore.
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so what evidence
shows you that we "obviously do have a problem"? Just curious...calling others out without a bit of real evidence..not real smart.
Edit: read more below..LOL Waiting around stating that no one here now speaks out about the man made global warming myth, while 90 percent of the comments are anti global warming myth...priceless
Guess I'll move along, obviously you don't have much evidence to support your man made global warming myth...have fun being chained to the tree my friend.
22"s of snow here in
22"s of snow here in Denver.. there is no problem with the climate... atleast not global warming.. maybe global cooling but everything follows cycles and these cycles are not made by man or anything man has made.. If you think we are having a climate problem you are wrong.. how did you let your self get brainwashed?
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
"Mischief springs from the power which the monied interest derives from a paper currency which they are able
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
Hoax is not a good word
The hoax is blaming people.
CORPORATIONS SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE
We the people are being blamed and gouged, and this is infuriating to me.
Blaming people is what is wrong.
Did you know 100 years ago, we had a rail road system that was destroyed to bring the automobile industry? Now, we are being blamed for driving cars, while they bailout the corporations.
It's WRONG.
WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
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CORPORATIONS SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE
YES - Absolutely, I agree!
But the point that I'm trying to make is that we DO have a problem with global warming. It is NOT a fraud or a hoax..
It is VERY REAL. Those who refuse to admit that it is real are stalling the process we must make toward the elimination of the bad practices currently allowed by those corporations which are causing the problem - globally. If we can't even agree that we have a problem in the first place - how are we ever going to agree on a solution?
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~ Sherman H. Skolnick
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@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
Why don't you go Lick GORE's PEANUTS PAL!
WAKE UP BAHHHHHHH BAHHHHHH!
"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."
"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."
Why don't YOU?
Get a new signature.
"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."
This one doesn't suit you.
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It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
global warming??? then why
global warming??? then why did we just record one of the coolest summers on record here in Colorado.. normally we will have over 60 days above 90 degrees and this summer we had 8? you have been brainwashed!
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
"Mischief springs from the power which the monied interest derives from a paper currency which they are able
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
To be honest amerianna
As a former Nader supporter, I was never a Green Party member, It's as if Nader had won, all these corporations going GREEN. But Nader did not win.
The Greens and Nader's environmental issues, are hard to find BTW.. http://www.greens.org/platforms/gp-us2000.txt
They are being censored and the "Nader = Bush" is three pages deep before environment comes around. Had I not been there, I would not know to look... GOP has supported the corporations, and this is why so many environmentalists have a hard time seeing Ron Paul past the GOP.
I see the union of Naderites and Ron Paul patriots, on an Indy ticket being the end of the neoliberal/neocon agenda for a corporate NWO where THEY control the natural resources in the name of blaming people for being good consumers of their NAFTA and CAFTA agreements.
Irony about Nader is he isn't much of a consumer.. we were green before it went brown with Al Gore and his corporate campaign for global warming to enslave us all to contrail clouds and more monsanto in the name of GREEN.
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Hello, hello..
is there anybody out there?
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It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
I spent way too much time
looking for that Nader Environment page.. I actually had to go to a Green party site... Google Search wouldn't give me the facts about 1996 election on the environment issues between Greens and Nader... He's still being censored... But he hold many keys to our freedom.
Now, I have some work to do.... I'll be looking forward to reading hwt's being said while I'm busy. ;))
Have a good posting day
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yep..
still waiting for your "evidence".
sounds too much like Operation Dark Storm
From the Animatrix 2nd Renaissance.
They're definitely already spraying something high in heavy metals.
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...nothing to see here folks...move along...
...(end sarcasm)...
...If you want to hear more about "geoengineering" check out the CFR's (council on foreign relations) website...they have "workshops" on the subject...!
...Anyone who denies what this article says is already being done and has been for some time is either in denial of the truth of the matter as a natural defense move to protect oneself from the absolute horror of the truth, or is involved in it somehow and protecting the project(.)...
...Oh, yea, and you gotta love the part about "reflecting the sunlight back into space"...
...and how a cooler planet will produce more plant growth...WTF...?
...Everyone involved in this needs to be put on trial, convicted, and thrown in jail for crimes against humanity(.)...
RON2012PAUL...The r3VOLution continues...
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Hold on there!
I thought the general concensus here at the DP was that Al Glore is an idiot ( to put it nicely) and there is NO SUCH THING as global warming??!!? Where are all THOSE folks' comments? Did you all change your minds?
Or maybe Gore isn't such a nim rod, after all?
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It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
Gore is the biggest... well
Gore is the biggest... well one of the biggest nimrods around.. let me ask you this.,.. if Al Gore is so bent on saving the earth.. why does he have a huge mansion that uses more energy in one month then 10 normal sized houses? YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED...
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
The reason Al Gore is a "nimrod"
Al Gore is not blaming multinational corporations with government subsides, bailouts, military industrial complex contractors, NASA, Contrail clouds, sonic testing, rocket lanches, DU, or an unsustainable oil industry, which he is invested as an owner, Occidental Oil..
Al Gore is a "nimrod" because Al Gore is blaming YOU. You who have been recycling, reusing, conserving, riding a bike and walking, buying earth friendly products and living simply so others can simply live...
Al Gore has a 30K monthly utility bill, which would pay for numberous people's energy.. Al Gore is jet setting and telling us from his SUV, that WE the people are THE problem and it's our fault.
Al Gore and his CORPORATE GREEN buddies at the UN with their Agenda 21, that we can do better than Gore, without Gore. Gore should walk our walk before telling us how it's gonna be and blaming us.
That is why Al Gore is a "nimrod" to me.
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Ok
I guess we hear what we want to hear, but I didn't hear him blaming me - I heard him warning US.
Btw, I feel you are taking his utility bill a bit out of context, as he and his wife BOTH use their home for business purposes as well as living space for their family, which would account for some of the excess, anyway.
I saw this here, just the other day:
Al Gore is going to be at Barnes & Noble in New York City on November 4th at Noon, (5th Avenue Between 45th & 46th Street) promoting and signing copies of his new (propaganda filled book) "Our Choice: A Plan To Solve The Climate Crisis".
There will most definitely be a long line out the door for this appearance and it would be great if we had a nice crowd to educate the people waiting in line outside on the fraud of global warming (interestingly enough now called "climate change") and dangers of the Cap & Trade (Cap & Tax) bill, and the 30,000 scientists who are suing him for his lies.
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@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
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Gore creates another
Gore creates another nimrod......a mindless follower of big government, and big business.. congrates amerianna.. or should I call you miss nimrod...
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.