How are we safeguarding the Continental Congress from the wrong people getting in?
Submitted by tog2476 on Sat, 10/31/2009 - 19:17
That is very important, we cannot allow the elites from gaining entrance or information on the steps we plan to take. We need to make this as hard to get in as a Bilderburg Meeting. How are we going to provide for this? Are there safeguards in place to prevent those we don't want in from coming in?
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In short... we aren't and to think we are is rediculous.
"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."
"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."
Reply to tog's question to me below
asking whether I think it is time to have our opponent guessing what we are doing.
Short answer is that would be helpful but I do not think it will happen nor is that even possible for us to achieve. I do think we can improve, some, in this area.
I agree that in any conflict what is known/called today OPSEC(Operational Security) is very important and we are definitely in direct conflict with a very powerful, entrenched and determined opponent that is very savvy to OPSEC. We are clearly not savvy about OPSEC, nor are we likely as a group to ever become so to a degree that will overcome the inherent obstacles we have in this area and the inherent strengths of our opponents in this regard.
The prime obstacle in this area is the very nature of our group, we are a non-cohesive and large group of individual "Leaders". Each of our leaders publicly announce their proposed plans to gain feedback and support. That process is not only very public it plays out so slowly that our opponents are easily able to watch anything we do develop and play out in the exact/real-time as us "insiders".
Our opponents prime strength, not including the fact they have been playing the power game for centuries and we less than three years(generally), is their nature is of a very small group of very cohesive, very long associated, very secretive, very private, very intelligent and very ruthless people that are the latest in a long line of heirs to power. They are both genetically predisposed and well schooled in how power is seized, expanded and guarded. They have always understood the extreme importance of keeping both their Grand Strategic Goal and each tactical move hidden to any but their tiny inner circle so they plan their plots in complete privacy which is easily, near effortlessly, accomplished because they are a very small group that are very clear on whom is completely trustworthy and whom are not.
Adding to the above basic strengths is an extensive bag of tools to neutralize any leaks that may occur, monitor and analyze the activities of anything or anyone that could in the least probability threaten their choke hold on power and the complete ruthlessness and complete lack of ethics/morality to utilize any of the tools without a second thought or least qualm.
We, on the other hand and against this have no natural inclination to nor knowledge of power, are generally very ethical, trusting, loving, well meaning and abhor secrecy, plotting, scheming, etc.
Many of our number labor under the delusion and false hope that the very institutions that are used to control and enslave us can somehow be persuaded and learned into coming around, seeing the light and becoming the allies, tools of our magical swift victory. While this common aspect of human nature is understandable and an indicator of a level of good, well-meaning innocence in this endeavor it is a naive and dangerous liability to our cause.
All of my preceding blabbity is background for my assessment of what is the best we can hope for and strive to achieve in this important area.
1. We will never achieve a meaningful level of security relative to our opponent.
2. The best we can hope for is to achieve a wide, deep level of understanding among our number of this weakness and have each remain mindful of critical facts to minimize self-inflicted damage.
Some critical facts:
*We are constantly monitored in both our discussions and our actions
"We are subjected constantly to efforts to disrupt/counter our discussions and actions
*Our opponents will do anything, ANYTHING to win/not lose
*Our opponents tools will never, NEVER become our tools-Big Megaphones, (their)small megaphones, (their) politicos, (their)institutions, etc.)
*Trying to get anything of benefit from their tools is playing with fire, not to be approached casually
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
The Tea Party Express may
The Tea Party Express may move on to Illinois, or so the rumor goes.
Should the conclusions of the Assembly be as strong as many think, it may well be necessary to protect this august Assembly by numbers, as on 9/12.
I disagree most strongly, however, with the suggestion that the Militias should show up. They need to stay just where they are. They will know best the hour, which we pray will not come. The Old Guard will be sufficient, if only as fodder. Years of defeat have brought wisdom and cool-headedness; we've been ready for years.
As to the comment questioning the integrity of Robert Schulz, I must say it surprised me, though these sort of unfounded attacks are nothing new. The enemy has blasted him for years and more seriously than can be known. Then along came the Libertarians with their taudry attacks on his devotion to the Constitution. Between the attacks of the Enemy on Schulz's person and the attacks of the Libertarians on his dedication, it was difficult to tell the difference.
It was the funds of We The People Foundation and his private funds that launched and sustained the national tour to promote The Continental Congress 2009. It was a difficult feat and done FOR THE PEOPLE, not for himself or WTP. Schulz is a dedicated patriot that has worked steadily, quietly the past TEN years through the courts defending the Constitution. There is no patriot I respect more.
Here is another fact perhaps you don't know: Schulz and Aaron Russo first came up with the plan for Dr. Paul to run for President in 2008. True, others convinced Paul to run, but the idea was birthed by two patriots, Schulz and Russo.
This is a totally transparent nation-wide event for the whole
world to witness. All delegates are vetted, meaning they had to prove passion for our constitution by their track records (supporting pro-constitution candidates, pro-constitution legislation, active roles in freedom keeper organizations, giving talks/lectures on the constitution, etc.). The other requisite for being a delegate is 'cannot be an elected or appointed official.' This forum is for and by 'we the people', both as delegates and the people at large; the latter interfacing with their state delegates throughout the 12 day event on individual state websites. All public servants and all press, both foreign and domestic, are invited to attend the proceedings, but will have no voice in it; limited to being observers/reporters.
"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner
"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner
All you have noted is good, however
an important safeguard is to never trust that your safeguards are 100% water-tight.
Very good people can be compromised by various means.
Am I trying to spread paranoia-no
I am trying to spread awareness of risks and caution about those risks.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
By getting involved months ago
While nominations were being made.
I am delighted with my state's delegation.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
Hey Tog ..... not sure how
Hey Tog ..... not sure how close you are but I posted earlier event on C4L and at Ohio Freedom Alliance, Federal Reserve topic but one of the speakers is Jim Davis of Continental Congress. It will be at Kent State.
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http://www.ohiofreedom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3742
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Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/profile.php?member=KathyLa...
http://www.ohiofreedom.com/subd/
Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.
"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left. While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,they both march in the same direction." - Paul Proctor
Hey BeaReady
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
that is like fifteen minutes from my salvage yard. What is the date and time of this event? Thanks.
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
coming up quick. Here ya
coming up quick. Here ya go!
http://www.ohiofreedom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3742
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Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/profile.php?member=KathyLa...
http://www.ohiofreedom.com/subd/
Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.
"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left. While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,they both march in the same direction." - Paul Proctor
Keep Orly Taitz out
No dual citizenship types allowed.
She's a kook.
Good Topic, Good Post
Anyone that reads my comments may think I sound like a broken record on several subjects. Guilty.
The fact that as a group, our nature is to be truly well meaning, trusting people that tend sub-consciously toward bafflement about ruthless power seekers bent on evil self-serving agendas. Because of this good nature many find it difficult to fully comprehend the true and unalterable nature of these folks so they make understandable but dangerous assumptions. That fact alone is used by the evil folk against us. Hitler made his comment regarding the masses overall being stupid. I think more correctly it is a matter of ignorance, good hearts, being unable to fathom the reality of the depth of evil of the evil humans among us and, therefore, not realizing that eternal vigilance is necessary.
Being awake is great(mostly, though at times dis-heartening). Being among a group of awake people is encouraging. Taking action based on are awakeness is good and obviously necessary. Unfortunately, all of these things make us magnets for the other side, the evil that have brought us to this sad state. They are very interested in monitoring everything about us and trying to subvert all of our efforts because our cause is in DIRECT opposition to their agenda. Many may find my use of the "Evil" to describe who we are fighting as sensational and over-stating the fact. Perhaps but I do not think so after more than three decades of studying ruthless control seekers, in our time and from history. My use of Evil is not the religious connotation, just the behavioral fact.
Whatever your view as to the possible reasonableness or complete lack thereof regarding our opponents, which view has the greatest downside, overestimating or underestimating them?
Thanks for this post tog
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it"
Lenin
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
Gmason08
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
I agree. It is time to make the other side start guessing about what we are up to. Would you agree?
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
tog and anyone else
interested please see my reply to your question above.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
I didn't think enough people
I didn't think enough people care about the CC'09 for anyone to try to infiltrate it.
Can somebody please tell me
Can somebody please tell me after it's all said and done, what will CC09 accomplish? if Congress won't listen to us, and the Judicial is as corrupt as ever, what prayer do we have that the Government or Courts will listen to CC09 and give them the time of day?
I am all for trying to do everyhting we can, but what is this suppose to accomplish? IMO, the only way to fix this mess is with Guns amd Ammo. anything less is a waste of time. There is simpy too much money being thrown at the these crooks for them to even consider doing the right thing.
Sigh... I do not want violence, but let's be real.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."- Thomas Jefferson
There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan
"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr
Not a thing
A group of people that are unheard of by 97% of the people are meeting in a place thats unheard of by 97% of the people. That are holding a congress without the knowledge of 97% of the people and they are passing resolutions that about 97% of the people will never hear about. They will accomplish nothing. Its a complete waste of time and money.
Sadly most people care more about their security(economic and physical) than they do freedom. The Ron Paul/liberty movement has started to do a massive re-education of the people but its going to take a long time to have a real impact.
No secrecy
No secret oaths or secret proceedings. Good works are done in the light.
For security from tyrannical intervention and globalist infiltration, I would use the militias. It's about time they got out of the woods and bunkers and did something actually useful anyways.
Just my 2 cents.
/em searches in pocket...
Ok, here's 2 more cents:
Some RP delegates I talked to at the convention and the C4L event were very leery of Schultz. One knew him, and claimed there were monetary indiscretions with the donations. I guess Devy Kidd left WTP also because of ethical issues about how the money was being spent.
What if this whole CC2009 is just a big show to make and sell DVD's, and simply just profit off of the patriot movement and RP Revolution?
I hope it's a useful event. Not holding my breath though.
I don't think they will want to come. This is a place where
the people redress the government for all its wrong doings. It is made into a public record and used to bring notice to those elected officials that there are those Americans who have not forgotten what it means to be an American.
Foreign Ideologies that contravene the founding of our Law based upon individual and national sovereignty is a mortal enemy of the people. We will not be slaves.
I think you might have this process confused with a
constitutional convention where amendments to the constitution are raised.
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