Do we need policeman or firefighters? I got stumped

Also remember that the States and local governments are NOT limited by Article I Section 8. The states and the people hold all other powers not given to the the federal government as per the 10th amendment. Therefore, the states or local governments could literally vote to have universal healthcare, fireman, police, or almost anything they want as long as it does not infringe on our natural rights.

I'm not saying that I agree with universal healthcare or other socialistic programs, but the states and local municipalities are not limited from providing these programs by the Constitution which for the most part only applies to the Federal government.

Local and state laws are funded by the state and local municipalities and cannot be combined with Federal government powers given to them by the States via the sovereign people. The Federal government providing healthcare is unconstitutional and not on par with locally provided fire and police protection services.

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If firemen and policemen are voluntary, then of course they can deny you services.

If these are private security personnel who work for a private company... of course they can.

If these are private security personnel who work for a private company contracted by your HOA in which you pay dues, you have a claim on their labor.

If these firemen and policemen are paid with taxes confiscated from you... sure they do.

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in my town is strictly volunteer :)

I believe EVERYBODY in cities and counties want some type of police and fire protection. So, everybody is willing to pay for it. They vote on it. They might not all agree on how much they think it is worth but they all want it. So, locally they agree to pay for it as well as libraries, rec centers, etc. However, health care provided by the federal government is not what everybody wants and it is not something the federal government should be involved in. It is stealing. There is a large majority of Americans who are screaming and yelling that they don't want it but nobody is listening. It is being imposed on us. Also, they are imposing a mandatory requirement which is completely unconstitutional. Health care that they are willing to pay for is not the kind of health care I want. Yes, I need emergency health care but overall I don't want want they are offering me. Individuals have different needs and desires and they aren't meeting their needs. In fact, they are trying to take away my rights to the type of health care I want and are trying to force me to pay for something I won't use.

So, there is a big difference between what local communities agree to pay for and want and what the federal government should be doing.

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"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

..but the mostly useless Police force nation wide could easily be reduced to less than 10% of what they are now. Then get the remaining 10% of the cops to do the ONLY job they got: To apprehend a citizen that has infringed upon another citizens rights.

At least Firefighters and Paramedics are helpful...and don't go around like armed thug criminals throwing people in cages that haven't infringed upon anyone else's rights.

So all of the years that doctors spend in med school...they OWE that to this brilliant guy on youtube? Police and firefighters OWE it to this guy to protect him?

It is idiotic to claim Ron Paul's stance on health care is immoral. It is the only morally upright stance once can take--to protect individual rights. Direct him to Col. Davy Crockett's speech "Not Yours to Give." If he can't understand that, move on to someone who indicates some level of cognizance above 0.

no. They do it voluntarily. Also, it has been ruled police have no obligation to protect you.

We don't need Federal dictation of services.
Paul's philosophy allows for State, and local services.
What the Feds do, is take our tax money, then make us beg to get it back.
OR they will attach stings to money that was already ours to start with.
Why not just leave more tax money local, we know best for our areas!

Hope this is helpful, as it is my understanding..
Go get em!

Would point out the difference between Federal and state/local government... Because he has to take that approach...

But the logically consistent answer is no, you do not have a right to use stolen money to purchase protection of any kind.

You do have a right to create a collective in which all those who volunteer are protected.
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