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Did Ahmedinejad threaten to wipe Isreal off the face of the map?
Submitted by chonk123 on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 12:44
This is repeated almost daily in the media and seems to be believed by most everyone. What about here at the DP? Do you know what he actually said? Please give references to where you got your information. » |
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Wiped off the map
The rumor of the century
see:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/113150#comment-1229129
Chonk~there are many articles linked further down this thread ..please feel free to add them to your OP!
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Why the big deal?
"....bomb,bomb,bomb...bomb,bomb Iran" ~McCain
Here is an article on it, and yes I did know for a long time.
http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-County-Nonpartisan-Examin...
and here is a quick You tube on Mike Wallace getting an Emmy for the contrived 60 min interview with Ahmedinejad, who is Jewish by the way, in case some did not know that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=onNzrNEFs1E&featu...
That is a good one gratefulgraft.
Problem I have been having is people I try to tell the truth about this to will always say MY sources aren't reliable. That I only present things that show MY point of view. How can you prove something like this to someone. They do the same thing with the Isreal/Palestine conflict. You can send them articles and video all day and they will say they are only showing you what they want you to see. They don't show you what happens to the people of Israel. So I ask why doesn't Israel show thier side. and DUH They say the media is biased. What? it really makes you think that people can eat hot coals and say and believe they are ice chips if they have been told that enough and have made up thier mind to believe it. How do peoples minds get to that place?
Is it me that has a problem? I question everything. Even myself.
Why does everyone keep asking
the question over and over about what was said ...if no one reads down the thread for the multiple posted answers?
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
basically...
the regime will be erased from the pages of time. But that was a quote from someone else he was using in a speech to demonstrate the point that none of the empires in the world have ever been permanent fixtures.
The regime he was referring to was the one in Israel that hates Arabs the way Nazis hate Jews.
I have heard someone say that he was actually talking about the regime of bankers that control Israel from London. Basically Ahmedinejad see's the illuminati/nwo and hates them as much as alex jones. I have yet to verify that take on it. The other stuff can be found on antiwar.com as others have previously posted.
I'd say "who cares", if they weren't going to use it
as a justification for murdering Persians.
Then it matters.
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Did you threaten to wipe Israel off the map?
please see I have it posted further down this thread
Press TV: So you did not threaten to wipe Israel off the map as an Iranian leader? That we will wipe Israel off the map?
Ahmadinejad: No. We say that the people of Palestine should have rights and when the people of Palestine exercise this right, this will happen. Where is the Soviet Union? The Soviet Union has been wiped off the map. What happened to the Soviet Union? The decision of the people, the vote of the people. When the people of the Soviet Union, the Russian people, were allowed to decide to take charge of their destiny, the Soviet Union disappeared
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/113150#comment-1229280
and here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/113150#comment-1229129
or take your pick from one of antiwar.com many articles on it:
http://www.google.com/search?q=antiwar.com+iran+nukes&rls=co...
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
I'm sorry to say...
...that I have no idea where the original quote was, but I've seen the English translation, and it's nothing like the media translation. The media put words in his mouth.
See one of the first responses to this thread
by Liberty Belle, at the bottom of this page. Antiwar.com has followed this mistranslation for a couple of years.
One of the stories I read said that the original speech was given in Farsi, then translated by an extremist arab group into arabic, and finally picked up and translated into English. Along the way, the original meaning and context of Ahmadinijad's words were lost.
Like a big game of "telephone," but with translators with an agenda.
300 nukes
I think Israel should agree to inspections and to get rid of its WMD before we worry about WMD that Iran doesn't even have.
Got to rein in the power of AIPAC first
before that'll happen!
The Christian-Zionists who believe that anything Israel does without accountability is ok because they are the Chosen People, so go ahead, build nukes, threaten Iran, that's ok, nothing to see here folks, just keep moving along.
R3VOLution
I suspected this
Have to say I agree with that point of view, add the jesuits and add the war-mongering Christian faction, then add the elites and all who pander to them. Oh, that's everyone but us.
I read somewhere that it was
I read somewhere that it was a mis-translation.
Jive~I posted it down below
people have a habit of not reading very far down a post..if at all! ; - )
(I don't mean this directed to just you..I am guilty too! )
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Regardless of what he said,
Regardless of what he said, Ahmedinejad is just a dumb politician like all the other politicians of the world.
He annoys the hell out of me... (Just like all the other politicians do)
He's no angel and neither are his American and Israeli counterparts... They're ALL sick and twisted.
I'm no angel
but to be known as someone who is a terrorist threatening to wipe people off the map is a dangerous lie for not just Iran but many countries. It is a lie that has blown things way out of proportion and the truth should be made clear worldwide. Iran is no threat to Isreal or the US but that lie is. How many soldiers do you think will sign up for that war thinking this terrorist that is threatening another country that for some ungodly reason the US idolizes and die needlessly? How many innoccent civilians in Iran will suffer from sanctions even before a war. How many more enemies will we create? This one lie is so ingrained in the American people it is sickening. It would be a great test to see if it could be retracted and minds could be changed. Just to make the point to the people how much they lie to us and how devious and dangerous those lies can be. They are also lieing about Irans nuclear program. These things need to be exposed on a massive scale and the real reasons for wanting to attack Iran exposed. Would it make a difference to the majority of the American people? Sometimes I wonder.
Correction to my post below.
It was his speech at the UN where they walked out on him. Later I heard on some media that he said things about wanting to bring on end times as soon as possible. Right at the beggining of his speach he says something similar to what I have heard many times in Christian churches;
Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EBgqgIWuoc
Well that
comment isn't there. hmmm I was responding to why he didn't go public about it. He did. But he did it more in a let me make my point kind of way and it was in an interview wich was also edited. But I had said something about the speech and said g20 and it was UN
Here is his clarification
Press TV: So you did not threaten to wipe Israel off the map as an Iranian leader? That we will wipe Israel off the map?
Ahmadinejad: No. We say that the people of Palestine should have rights and when the people of Palestine exercise this right, this will happen. Where is the Soviet Union? The Soviet Union has been wiped off the map. What happened to the Soviet Union? The decision of the people, the vote of the people. When the people of the Soviet Union, the Russian people, were allowed to decide to take charge of their destiny, the Soviet Union disappeared.
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/myth-of-iran-...
also see Wiped off the map ~( further down this thread)
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/113150#comment-1229129
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
he is saying NOTHING that Orthodox Jews are not saying--
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
I don't know how to link it, but I've seen the meetings between the Torah rabbis who protest in front of AIPAC--
and Ahmadinejad--
but "mainstream" Zionists don't want anyone to know about that meeting between the "Torah Jews" who do claim that Jews in Iran are very safe--
The Orthodox Jews who carry signs that have the star of David with a slash through it are some of the most reasonable people I've ever seen/heard.
But you won't EVER see them on MSM in America--
sad--
They simply want that Israeli government to dissolve; they want a non-religious state in Israel; that is according to the Torah--
so . . . the Israeli Jews who promote warfare against Muslims are, in reality, not very "good Jews"--
it's all very ironic--
perhaps the Zionistic Christians aren't very good Christians!!!
Or perhaps they haven't been taught correctly . . .
The 'bottom line' is that devout Muslims and Orthodox Jews actually have a lot of respect for each other and would get along just fine if the 'elite' would leave them alone--
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
I read an article shortly
I read an article shortly after he made the speech by someone who directly interpreted his speech themselves. The author of that article stated that wiping Israel off the face of the map is not what was said. I don't recall the interpretation, though.
For those of us who do not understand the language, I suppose it's just a matter of who to believe. It would be good if there was an organized group of maybe 100 people who can interpret. Then have them do so, independently, and then post it up online for the rest of us to read. That sure would be an eye opener if all their interpretations were not in line with the US government interpretation.
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I could have swore I read
I could have swore I read somewhere or heard somewhere that it was along the lines of he was responding to Israel because they had threaten to take out Iran and he said in response that if Iran was attacked that they would wipe Israel off the map! Of course easily taken out of context
What I don't get is why
What I don't get is why wouldn't Ahmadinejad go public and say that he never said it?
Why wouldn't he correct the rumor?
His words essentially meant
the current Israeli REGIME would fail.
People twisted that to create the fear mongering claim that he was talking about nuking Israel.
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'Wiped off the Map' – The Rumor of the Century
'Wiped off the Map' – The Rumor of the Century
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025
There are many other articles on this subject..will look later!
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Very comprehensive article
thanks Liberty_Belle
R3VOLution
Chonk123..NO he did not
I have posted numerous articles with the correct quote reference..I will try and search for them when I get back from town!
I do know for a fact and we have it here also in archives where Lindsey Graham said we should strike the nuclear plant and also totally disable all Iran's military infrastructures on behalf of Isreal.
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Thanks
I know what he said and I just want to know if others do. If the truth were highly publicized I would hope the American people would be open to the rest of the facts about what is really going on with the whole reason they are pushing to attack Iran. It is one of the things that is driving me crazy and one of those subjects most people go bolistic over if you bring it up. They have been so brainwashed with that lie and the lies about the nuclear weapon. I think What he said was the zionist regime should be removed from the pages of history and it was not at all in the context of a threat.
antiwar.com has covered it best
too many articles to list but here is a quick google search results from antiwar
http://www.google.com/search?q=antiwar.com+iran+nukes&rls=co...
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd